IRC Chat : 2013-09-19 - OpenMRS

00:00:57 <suranga> dkayiwa: done :-)
00:01:00 <suranga> dkayiwa: https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-4100 :-)
00:01:09 <dkayiwa> suranga: cool :)
00:01:28 <suranga> dkayiwa: he hee.. i guess fixing it would be waaay cooler :P
00:13:14 <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: is there a recommended java REST client? or just use HttpClient and DIY?
00:14:22 <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: last time I did something I used Jersey
00:14:46 <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: https://github.com/PIH/openmrs-module-importpatientfromws/blob/master/pom.xml
00:14:50 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/:03K> (at github.com)
00:15:03 <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: thanks..
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00:26:51 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrsci: CA-CA-250 has FAILED (1 tests failed) : Updated by djazayeri <https://ci-stg.openmrs.org/browse/CA-CA-250>
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04:46:13 <harsz89> hi jkeiper
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05:36:35 <harsz89> jkeiper, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBeJIm1eED8&feature=youtu.be the vdeo
05:36:37 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/:07H> (at www.youtube.com)
05:36:38 <harsz89> jkeiper, :)
05:36:54 <harsz89> jkeiper, and completed the documentation
05:37:05 <harsz89> jkeiper, https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/projects/Data+Integrity+Workflow+Module
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06:57:42 <rowanseymour> rafa when you get online, can we chat about MDS ?
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12:05:29 <suranga> rafa: howdy, would this be a bad time to ask you a question ? :-)
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12:44:22 <suranga> rafa: um.. hi, i was wondering if i can talk about trunk-3379 :-)
12:45:40 <rafa> suranga: hi
12:45:55 <suranga> rafa: howdy ! so sorry to bug you
12:45:58 <rafa> suranga: what
12:46:03 <rafa> suranga: what's the problem
12:46:08 <rafa> suranga: no worries
12:46:14 <suranga> rafa: I seem to be having a problem duplicating what you did in trunk 3379
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12:46:53 <suranga> rafa: it might be easier if you can read my mail thread, which ive begun
12:47:02 <rafa> suranga: ok
12:47:15 <suranga> rafa: the title of the thread is "Error updating to HAPI 2.0 via an OpenMRS module" :-(
12:49:05 <rafa> suranga: I don't think it's possible to upgrade HAPI to a newer version from a module
12:49:36 <suranga> rafa: um.. a module can override to a larger dependency, cant it ?
12:49:38 <rafa> suranga: you can't have 2 versions of the same class
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12:50:20 <suranga> rafa: I thought that declaring a higher version would make OpenMRS use the more recent (higher) version...
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12:50:47 <rafa> suranga: did you find that somewhere in docs?
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12:51:23 <suranga> rafa: um.. not really, but isnt that how maven works ? in the even of multiple dependencies, the most recent is selected ?
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12:51:50 <rafa> suranga: well maven yes, but not OpenMRS modules
12:52:14 <rafa> suranga: basically if you say maven to include HAPI 2.0 it will only include 2.0 and ignore 0.5 from core
12:52:41 <rafa> suranga: but when you load such a module to OpenMRS, OpenMRS will have 0.5 jar and 2.0 jar from your module
12:53:08 <rafa> suranga: it won't know which one to use
12:53:30 <rafa> suranga: At least I've never seen any code to support that
12:53:41 <suranga> rafa: oooops. so the only way for me to support this would be to use an openMRS version which has hapi 2.0 in its core, correct ?
12:53:49 <rafa> suranga: right
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12:54:28 <suranga> rafa: hmm... well, you;ve solved me question in under 5 minutes :-)
12:54:45 <suranga> rafa: i wished that there was a better solution though :P
12:55:03 <rafa> suranga: yeah sorry
12:55:29 <suranga> rafa: no problem. you solved a problem which upset me for quite some time :P
12:55:40 <suranga> rafa: thanks for taking the time to answer this :-)
12:55:51 <rafa> suranga: the other way is to remove hapi libs from war
12:56:09 <rafa> suranga: if you can't upgrade to a newer version of OpenMRS
12:56:30 <suranga> rafa: i will try to upgrade, or backport 3379 :)
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13:09:02 <h3llborn> rafa: hey quick question
13:09:49 <maurya> downey: Hi, do you have a moment?
13:10:45 <rafa> h3llborn: sure
13:12:23 <h3llborn> rafa: I was able to use omrs-run yesterday, it actually built the module, however my command history is gone due to a restart, and now for the life of me I can't figure out how i mitigated this error the other day. http://pastebin.com/UA0TH16B
13:14:04 <rafa> h3llborn: seems like you haven't built basicexample
13:14:30 <rafa> h3llborn: can you do mvn clean install on that?
13:14:35 <h3llborn> rafa: ok! sure
13:15:15 <h3llborn> rafa: oh I think I know what the problem was, I forgot to move the omrs-install command
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13:15:55 <maurya> jkeiper: Hi, do you have a moment?
13:16:41 <jkeiper> maurya: sure, what's up?
13:16:52 <maurya> jkeiper: is it possible to enable voice in the adobe connect so that people can try out if their audio is working fine?
13:17:01 <jkeiper> maurya: sure, will do that
13:17:18 <maurya> jkeiper: thank you so much people have been waiting since an hour for that :)
13:18:14 <jkeiper> maurya: i have turned on the connection to uberconference
13:18:26 <jkeiper> if that is not desired, we can disconnect
13:18:29 <jkeiper> let me know
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13:21:32 <h3llborn> rafa: so that worked, however if I run omrs-run and then open up the web-page I get a crapload of sql errors...oh oh :s
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13:24:36 <rafa> h3llborn: pastebin
13:24:41 <h3llborn> rafa: ok!
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13:28:29 <maurya> jkeiper: thank you so much :) i dont think any of the students are trying to link using the uber conferencing but yes people have been trying out their voice :)
13:28:48 <maurya> jkeiper: Through adobe connect itself
13:31:46 <h3llborn> rafa: nvm now it works, must have been the service layer that you can add or so :s
13:32:53 <h3llborn> rafa: ill try it with a service layer added to the module
13:34:21 <jkeiper> happy Talk Like A Pirate Day everyone!
13:37:30 <downey> lstanisic: I spoke with elyse yesterday, she'd like to meet with you tomorrow afternoon if you have time
13:39:10 <h3llborn> rafa: seems to work fine now :P
13:39:44 <cpower> wyclif: standup?
13:40:04 <wyclif> cpower: url?
13:40:19 <cpower> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/126527b7e302f71db29c39eea519471ef2271c42?authuser=0&hl=en
13:40:22 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/:0Ao> (at plus.google.com)
13:43:09 <rafa> h3llborn: great
13:43:10 <cpower> wyclif: nevermind we are done
13:43:32 <h3llborn> rafa: there's still a few bugs to iron out, ill get on that after the presentationt hough!
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14:11:37 <lstanisic> downey: sure, that would work
14:11:52 <h3llborn> rafa: woo it worked, now I can stop sweating :P
14:12:01 <rafa> h3llborn: haha
14:12:26 <h3llborn> rafa: haha, well I have to get ready for class, but I'll try and pay attention to all of this :)
14:12:27 <rafa> h3llborn: demoing live is a brave thing to do :)
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14:12:46 <rafa> h3llborn: congrats
14:13:19 <h3llborn> rafa: thanks :) coudln't have done it with out you :)
14:14:48 <rafa> h3llborn: thanks! you're doing a great job!
14:15:10 <rafa> h3llborn: and let's get that out!
14:16:00 <h3llborn> rafa: thanks :) for sure, there are just a couple minor bugs to iron out, mainly in the omrs-run script! but that shoudn't take longer then a day
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17:16:48 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrsci: REFAPP-OMODDISTRO-1205 has FAILED : Dependant of CA-CA-255 <https://ci-stg.openmrs.org/browse/REFAPP-OMODDISTRO-1205>
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17:34:36 <djazayeri> rafa: offhand do you know if RESTWS resources are spring beans, or if we instantiate them ourselves?
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17:37:08 <dkayiwa> djazayeri: i think we instantiate them
17:37:51 <djazayeri> dkayiwa: hmm, okay, annoying
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17:44:44 <Pradeep> Hi
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17:45:01 <Guest35606> someone online?
17:45:13 <Guest35606> Hello
17:45:52 <Guest35606> will somebody come for clarification
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17:48:03 <Prashdeep> Hi
17:48:16 <Prashdeep> good morning
17:50:13 <wyclif> hi djazayeri
17:50:37 <djazayeri> hi wyclif
17:50:49 <Prashdeep> hello
17:50:56 <Prashdeep> I need some clarification
17:51:04 <Prashdeep> could you please help me?
17:51:13 <djazayeri> What is it you want to know?
17:51:15 <wyclif> djazayeri: for RA-229 and 220, are we supposed to add these via MDS to add them with code in the demo data module
17:51:37 <wyclif> djazayeri: BTW hope you are feeling better
17:51:47 <Prashdeep> I am a developer from India and planning to use the openmrs for one of the hospitals here
17:52:24 <Prashdeep> I am planning to build a software which will include other modules also which is not part of openmrs
17:53:05 <Prashdeep> The UI will also be different but I will be using the modules from openmrs. Is it open source?
17:53:15 <Prashdeep> can i use it for free for commercial projects?
17:53:50 <djazayeri> wyclif: for RA-229 I don't care how you implement this. I don't think MDS handles users, so I suggest you do it in code, just like the other demo users are created
17:54:42 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: see http://openmrs.org/license/
17:54:45 <wyclif> djazayeri: most likely it will be the case for RA-220
17:55:22 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: you can use it for commercial projects. Modifications to openmrs-core, or to most modules, need to be contributed back
17:56:10 <djazayeri> wyclif: for RA-220, this needs to happen whether you're using demo data or not.
17:56:22 <djazayeri> wyclif: e.g. it could happen in openmrs-module-referenceapplication
17:56:24 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: and modules do not have to be having the same license as core :)
17:56:33 <wyclif> djazayeri: that sounds like the ref app activator
17:56:56 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: so they can be proprietary, though we encourage sharing :)
17:57:05 <Prashdeep> hey I am confused
17:57:20 <Prashdeep> let me put the question this way around
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17:57:38 <Prashdeep> if I dont not modify the source code can i use it for commercial purpose?
17:57:48 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: yes
17:58:10 <Prashdeep> but what if I want to change only the UI?
17:58:14 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: The code is freely usable for any purpose. If you _modify_ it, you have to contribute the modifications back
17:58:29 <Prashdeep> modifications back in the sense?
17:58:50 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: it depends whether that means modifying files that are part of openmrs-core, or if you write a different UI.
17:59:32 <Prashdeep> whom should we consult to get clarification if the change in UI needs to be contributed back?
17:59:53 <wyclif> djazayeri: uiframework was released, right? Though i don't think we updated all modules depending on it to use 3.0 or 3.1-SNAPSHOT in the poms
18:00:08 <djazayeri> wyclif: true
18:00:29 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: if you modify a file that is licensed under OPL, you must make this modifications publicly available.
18:00:55 <Prashdeep> ok. also what I understand is that, when i do customization, it will be specific to my application. will it not break if I contribute the chages back?
18:00:57 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: if you do not modify any OPL files (i.e. openmrs-core, or most of the core-supported modules) then you do not need to contribute anything
18:01:27 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: it is possible to do quite a bit of customization by writing your own module(s), and you can make these proprietary
18:01:41 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: yes you can still make some changes to the UI without touching any of the openmrs OPL files
18:02:01 <Prashdeep> how do I know if the file is a OPL file?
18:02:57 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: pretty much anything in a public OpenMRS repository is OPL
18:03:24 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: most of the files have a license header, but not all. But in simple terms, if you did not create the file yourself, then take it to be OPL :)
18:03:27 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: anything in openmrs-core is OPL. Each module defines its own license, applicable to all files in that module, and 99% of these are OPL.
18:04:32 <Prashdeep> ok. if I change the look and feel and stil use the modules for backend implementation, do I need to contribute my UI back?
18:05:38 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: if your changes do not require changing any of the existing OPL files, then you do not have to :)
18:05:56 <Prashdeep> cool. thanks. one more clarification needed
18:07:01 <Prashdeep> if I customize the OPL files for enhancements and use it in my project, when you say contribute back, does that mean that I need to update the existing codebase?
18:10:36 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: in that case you need to contribute back by sharing your changes (make them open for anyone else to see and use)
18:11:30 <Prashdeep> as part of the same oce or different branch wince the project committers might reject my code during code review
18:12:01 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: you can do that on a fork
18:12:19 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: or different branch
18:12:23 <Prashdeep> ok.. got it
18:12:26 <Prashdeep> thanks
18:13:06 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: but you can still make significant changes without actually touching any of the OPL files
18:13:19 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: thats because of the very powerful module framework in place :)
18:13:51 <Prashdeep> u mean I can still use only the modules which works with my UI framework?
18:14:23 <Prashdeep> are the modules so loosely coupled?
18:14:39 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: as an example, there is a module called "idgen" which automatically generates ID number. This module has a UI and a java API.
18:14:40 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: you can completely change the ui using only your modules which you can make completely proprietary :)
18:15:17 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: for example you might use the UI of this module to configure things, and your UI could call some method on idgen to generate ID numbers
18:15:33 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: and in this case you would not need to make any changes to idgen, and you wouldn't need to contribute anything
18:16:22 <djazayeri> Prashdeep: If you decided you wanted to add a new check-digit algorithm to the idgen module, you could make changes to idgen, and contribute these. But you wouldn't need to contribute the rest of your UI. That can stay proprietary.
18:16:22 <Prashdeep> I would defineltly love to contribute to openmrs
18:16:45 <Prashdeep> I would love to contribute to the openmrs
18:17:30 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: correct, but we just wanna show you that you do not need to be forced to :)
18:17:46 <Prashdeep> ok. nice.
18:17:55 <Prashdeep> do you have a office in India?
18:18:48 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: not any that am aware of. but there are openmrs developers in india :)
18:20:57 <Prashdeep> ok. can you please provide me some proprietory applications using openmrs?
18:22:46 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: do you mean proprietary applications connecting to openmrs? or proprietary applications built using or on top of openmrs?
18:22:58 <Prashdeep> both
18:24:26 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: the ones i have seen are not proprietary. but they could still be there when they simply do notify us about what they have done :)
18:24:56 <dkayiwa> do not
18:25:02 <dkayiwa> notify
18:26:08 <Prashdeep> ok
18:27:00 <Prashdeep> ok can you provide some application built on top of openmrs?
18:27:15 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: yes
18:27:38 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: those are plenty and they normally have something like: "Powered by OpenMRS"
18:28:29 <Prashdeep> can you provide some links?
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18:32:03 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: here is an example: https://demo.kenyaemr.org/openmrs
18:32:31 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: this is another: http://bamboo.pih-emr.org:8080/mirebalais/login.htm
18:32:32 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/+-PZ> (at bamboo.pih-emr.org:8080)
18:32:42 <Prashdeep> username and password please..
18:33:20 <Prashdeep> for kenya
18:34:48 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: it used to be demo/demo
18:35:13 <Prashdeep> ok. thanks a lot.
18:35:29 <Prashdeep> you were so helpful in clarifying my doubts.
18:35:37 <Prashdeep> god bless you
18:35:45 <Prashdeep> thanks. have a great day
18:36:05 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: this is the reference app, but it also demonstrates the same principle: http://devtest02.openmrs.org:8080/openmrs/login.htm
18:36:11 <dkayiwa> Prashdeep: you are welcome
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19:23:54 <k-joseph> wyclif: hi
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