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| 11:42:39 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Modules: KenyaUI 1.10.2 uploaded to OpenMRS Module Repository <https://modules.openmrs.org/modules/view.jsp?module=kenyaui&version=&1.10.2> |
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| 12:41:29 | <rfriedman> hi rafa, got a minute? |
| 12:43:09 | <rfriedman> hi djazayeri1 , if you're really there, got a minute? |
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| 12:44:38 | <ayuk> hi every one |
| 12:44:56 | <rfriedman> hi ayuk |
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| 12:47:19 | <ayuk> i am a developer learning the openmrs plartform to extend the api to a service.i want to start deplyoying in in cameroon. i wish some one could give me an idea on some deplyoing experience |
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| 12:55:37 | <rfriedman> ayuk, suggest you chat with AdaYeung. Also, what is your project/organization? I believe there is already some work going on in Cameroon. |
| 12:57:39 | <ayuk> Hi AdaYeung.pls are u working on a project for Cameroon? |
| 12:58:02 | <rfriedman> ayuk, Ada is not working on a project in Cameroon, but she does have a lot of implementer experience |
| 12:58:48 | <rfriedman> ayuk, have you spent much time on the wiki? |
| 12:58:59 | <ayuk> thanks rfriedman |
| 13:00:08 | <ayuk> hey Ada pls could u give me some of ur implementation idea.i am trying to deploy for a general clinic. |
| 13:00:41 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the big task with implementation is not development. it is figuring out the workflow and what vocabulary to use and what reports you are going to need |
| 13:01:08 | <rfriedman> ayuk, then there is a lot of operational stuff like how much can you do at once and what about hardware and infrastructure |
| 13:01:27 | <ayuk> rfried uu said u believe there is some work going on in cameroon,could u throw some light on that,do u know any one in the community,from cameroon ,i will like to work with him |
| 13:03:11 | <ayuk> rfried.about the hardware and operations,u dont need to worry about that i am a final year computer engineering student. i can take care of tech stuffs |
| 13:03:52 | <rfriedman> ayuk, start with http://www.flossmanuals.net/openmrs-guide/ |
| 13:04:30 | <rfriedman> ayuk, tech stuffs is easy, people stuffs is hard |
| 13:04:39 | <ayuk> thanks man |
| 13:05:08 | <rfriedman> ayuk, then https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/docs/Implementer+Documentation |
| 13:05:27 | <rfriedman> ayuk, your goal should be to do everything without *any* programming |
| 13:05:48 | <rfriedman> ayuk, for a general clinic you should be able to do just about everything you need by *configuration* |
| 13:06:31 | <ayuk> ya rfried i understand.hve u ever deployed? |
| 13:06:53 | <rfriedman> ayuk, if there's any way you can make it to Kenya for the OpenMRS meeting in October, you should do so, because that would give you a big boost up |
| 13:07:07 | <rfriedman> ayuk, follow top of page links to OMRS13 |
| 13:07:44 | <rfriedman> ayuk, i would answer like this: I have done the technical part, but the people part has always defeated me :( |
| 13:09:23 | <ayuk> rfried,can u throw more light on the peoples' part |
| 13:10:06 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the clinic is run and operated by doctors, nurses, pharmacists, laboratorians |
| 13:10:19 | <rfriedman> ayuk, they all have their own ways of doing things and don't want to change |
| 13:10:44 | <rfriedman> ayuk, bringing in an EMR is a big change, so they have to be motivated to change |
| 13:11:07 | <rfriedman> ayuk, and as the implementer, you have to be sensitive to their needs while remaining within the capabilities of the system |
| 13:11:41 | <rfriedman> ayuk, just because software is free does not mean that implementing it is free |
| 13:11:57 | <ayuk> rfried,did u discussed with some one who deployed and succeeded in the part uu failed |
| 13:12:49 | <rfriedman> ayuk, in many cases the cooperation comes because the doctors and nurses have been ordered to comply, that has not been the case in my projects |
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| 13:13:52 | <rfriedman> ayuk, if the medical director has a strong belief in doing the project and is willing to devote both human and financial resources to making it work, implementation is easier. |
| 13:14:28 | <rfriedman> ayuk but in any IT project there is always response to change -- some embrace it, some resist it -- so you need to make allies among the supporters and use them to bring along the others |
| 13:15:39 | <ayuk> rfried,what if u have some one in a hospital who could facilitate the introduction,could that work? |
| 13:16:15 | <ayuk> rfried,i like that point u just made |
| 13:16:20 | <rfriedman> ayuk, depends on the level of power/respect the person commands |
| 13:16:54 | <ayuk> rfried,a doctor |
| 13:17:05 | <rfriedman> ayuk, in some places things are very hierarchical -- without the district or region medical director, you won't get anywhere |
| 13:17:36 | <rfriedman> ayuk, in other places things are more decentralized and the medical director is the key person |
| 13:18:11 | <ayuk> rfried,i understand your point bc when i introduced the idea to her,she accepted,but it seemed she needed to talk to their investor |
| 13:18:35 | <rfriedman> ayuk, if this person is just one doctor among many, maybe the thing to do is have this person set up a meeting, outside of work, where the idea of an EMR could be presented and discussed |
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| 13:19:01 | <ayuk> rfried,why will some people hardwork while there is ease to do it another way |
| 13:19:23 | <rfriedman> ayuk, you would want to have your friendly doctor, the lead people in all disciplines, any young doctors |
| 13:19:58 | <ayuk> rfried,did u make any documents when u where implementing? |
| 13:20:13 | <rfriedman> ayuk, people try to build a life with which they are comfortable and then try to defend it |
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| 13:20:52 | <rfriedman> ayuk, yes, but unfortunately most are in Spanish |
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| 13:21:50 | <ayuk> rfried,i was thinking of a presentation in power point for all the hospitals i plan to deploy to try to comvince the people.what do u think? |
| 13:22:50 | <rfriedman> ayuk, this is good, but don't try to take on too much at once. you are probably going to need 4 people to do one clinic. |
| 13:23:19 | <ayuk> rfried,why that many? |
| 13:23:28 | <rfriedman> you might also try getting in touch with Joaquin Blaya on the implementers list, he is making a business of implementing OpenMRS |
| 13:24:21 | <rfriedman> ayuk, you need 1 system admin, 1 lead developer, 2 trainers/business analysts/tech writers/help desk |
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| 13:24:55 | <rfriedman> ayuk, and that's without any financial people ;) |
| 13:25:24 | <LeeBreisacher1> cpower: I cannot make today's ds. but I didn't do anything on openmrs this weekend.. |
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| 13:25:35 | <ayuk> rfried,by financial people u mean? |
| 13:26:13 | <rfriedman> ayuk, someone to do contracts and payroll and collecting |
| 13:26:48 | <rfriedman> ayuk, at least if you don't plan to work from within, which is pretty hard in most places, they don't understand/have a position for a developer or business analyst |
| 13:27:26 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the sys admin has to come from within because s/he will stay there day-to-day when you move on |
| 13:28:45 | <ayuk> rfried,what about the money aspect of deployment? |
| 13:28:57 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the more the better :) |
| 13:29:55 | <ayuk> rfried,can hospital readily pay or u will need to convince them |
| 13:29:58 | <ayuk> ? |
| 13:30:13 | <rfriedman> ayuk, you will need to convince them |
| 13:30:50 | <rfriedman> ayuk, outside of giving better care, you will have to show how they can save time in producing required reports |
| 13:31:55 | <rfriedman> ayuk, OpenMRS is weak in billing, we are working on it, but the medical director will surely want to know that stuff is not walking out the door or being used by people for a private business. |
| 13:32:43 | <rfriedman> ayuk, there were some issues installing lab systems in Cameroon because of people using the reagents and equipment for their private business |
| 13:33:14 | <ayuk> rfried,apart from money for trainig and support i will give to each implementation,what else will they have to spend on |
| 13:33:16 | <rfriedman> ayuk, they didnt' want the system because they knew they would get caught |
| 13:33:52 | <ayuk> rfried,i understand |
| 13:34:26 | <djazayeri1> dkayiwa: standup |
| 13:34:31 | <rfriedman> ayuk, could be anything. many buildings cannot keep a cool, clean environment for server |
| 13:34:31 | <djazayeri1> LeeBreisacher1: (you too, if you've got time) |
| 13:34:45 | <rfriedman> ayuk, we need to stop while this standup is taking place |
| 13:34:51 | <ayuk> rfried,so it means deploying this system is not trivial |
| 13:35:00 | <rfriedman> !!!!!! |
| 13:35:01 | <OpenMRSBot> rfriedman: Error: "!!!!!" is not a valid command. |
| 13:35:04 | <djazayeri1> rfriedman: (this is standup, not scrum) |
| 13:35:14 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: I cannot make today's ds. but I didn't do anything on openmrs this weekend.. |
| 13:35:16 | <rfriedman> djazayeri1, so we can chat away? :) |
| 13:35:24 | <djazayeri1> rfriedman: no, I have a standup. |
| 13:35:53 | <rfriedman> djazayeri1, I meant ayuk and me, but if I could have a minute of time afterward, it would be great |
| 13:36:00 | <ayuk> guys what is standup? |
| 13:36:10 | <rfriedman> ayuk, a quick status meeting |
| 13:36:47 | <ayuk> djaz what are u saying? |
| 13:37:10 | <rfriedman> ayuk, this is a meeting of people working on a particular project |
| 13:37:38 | <ayuk> rfried,ok i understand,could we continue? |
| 13:38:17 | <rfriedman> sure, but I think it might be better for you to do some reading first, then we can chat more, I am frequently here |
| 13:39:43 | <ayuk> rfried,dont bother about my questions,i have done alot of reading,i just want to hear from some one who has implemented,just as u have don |
| 13:40:17 | <rfriedman> ayuk, what services does this clinic offer? |
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| 13:41:27 | <ayuk> rfried,general,consultations,eye specialist treatments, |
| 13:42:25 | <rfriedman> ayuk, pediatrics? antenatal care? hiv? tuberculosis? malaria? dengue? high blood pressure? |
| 13:43:08 | <ayuk> rfried,yes |
| 13:43:09 | <rfriedman> ayuk, what procedures does it do? xray? casts for broken bones? births? vaccinatoins? |
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| 13:43:16 | <GitHub75> [openmrs-core] surangak opened pull request #392: Trunk 4011 amended (master...TRUNK-4011-amended) http://git.io/MVo7FQ |
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| 13:43:32 | <rfriedman> ayuk, does it dispense medicines? does it do lab tests? |
| 13:44:07 | <ayuk> rfried,lab test,no meds dispense |
| 13:44:24 | <rfriedman> ayuk, what kinds of records does it keep now? |
| 13:44:52 | <rfriedman> ayuk, what does it have to report to government? |
| 13:45:10 | <ayuk> rfried,not digital,on books |
| 13:45:31 | <rfriedman> ayuk, right, but what kind? do they even have an individual patient record or just registers? |
| 13:45:43 | <rfriedman> ayuk, do patients carry their own records? |
| 13:46:13 | <ayuk> rfried,yes patients do |
| 13:46:55 | <rfriedman> ayuk, and is what the patients carry on a form or just a notebook, and does it contain all their care or just at this hospital? |
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| 13:49:27 | <ayuk> rfried,just at this hospital,u know with manual system,when people go to clinics without books,they just buy a new on and start all over |
| 13:49:57 | <rfriedman> ayuk, so it is just a notebook |
| 13:51:01 | <ayuk> rfried,yes |
| 13:51:13 | <rfriedman> ayuk, so this is going to be a total change for them |
| 13:51:47 | <ayuk> rfried,i think so |
| 13:51:58 | <rfriedman> ayuk, where in Cameroon are you located? and is this hospital a government hospital or a mission hospital or a private hospital? |
| 13:53:36 | <ayuk> Buea,Mission hospital,are u from cameroon or have u been there before |
| 13:54:56 | <rfriedman> ayuk, i have worked with people doing health IT in cameroon but have never been there. |
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| 13:55:13 | <rfriedman> ayuk, how many clinics/hospitals are there in Buea? |
| 13:55:39 | <ayuk> rfried,about 25 |
| 13:56:24 | <rfriedman> ayuk, i am reading wikipedia about Buea |
| 13:56:45 | <ayuk> rfried,that nice |
| 13:57:27 | <rfriedman> ayuk, maybe the first step would be to make a list of the 25 or so and try to figure out their relationships |
| 13:57:28 | <ayuk> rfried,if u want more info i can give u |
| 13:58:06 | <rfriedman> ayuk, which ones do primary care, which are specialists, which are hospitals, with the University there may even be a teaching hospital |
| 13:58:25 | <ayuk> rfried,ok will include that on my schedule for the week |
| 13:58:50 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the best thing for the people's health would be for the 25 to agree to share records with each other |
| 13:59:12 | <rfriedman> ayuk, maybe some hospitals already have EMR, just try to be compatible |
| 13:59:29 | <rfriedman> ayuk, that is a really BIG people project |
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| 14:00:08 | <rfriedman> ayuk, but there are probably many doctors in buea who have seen and would want an EMR and that could be your base of supporters |
| 14:00:34 | <rfriedman> ayuk, the old boys are usually pretty comfortable |
| 14:01:42 | <rfriedman> ayuk, i need to get back to work now, but as i say we can chat more later. you can e-mail me at r dot friedman at mindspring dot com |
| 14:02:21 | <ayuk> rfried,yes i understand,i am happy for ur support,u have solved a mile stone on my feasibility studies.so now i just want some few people to accept .thanks man i will |
| 14:02:47 | <rfriedman> ayuk, ok, catch you later -- you have a lot on your plate now :) |
| 14:03:02 | <ayuk> rfried,my email ettaayuk@gmail.com |
| 14:03:14 | <ayuk> rfried and thanks again |
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| 14:07:52 | <h3llborn> rafa: good morning! |
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| 14:09:53 | <rafa> h3llborn: hi |
| 14:10:06 | <h3llborn> rafa: did you get my email from friday? |
| 14:10:24 | <rafa> h3llborn: yes |
| 14:10:29 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Modules: KenyaCore 0.7.1 uploaded to OpenMRS Module Repository <https://modules.openmrs.org/modules/view.jsp?module=kenyacore&version=&0.7.1> |
| 14:10:31 | <rafa> h3llborn: what is the problem there? |
| 14:11:07 | <h3llborn> rafa: well turns out due to the default namespace used by maven, there is a bit of a problem traversing the file, I posted some comments on the ticket |
| 14:12:21 | <h3llborn> rafa: https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/SDK-11 |
| 14:12:50 | <rafa> h3llborn: I'm reading |
| 14:13:14 | <cpower> burke: you here? |
| 14:13:34 | <burke> nope. |
| 14:13:41 | <h3llborn> rafa: ok :) |
| 14:13:53 | <rafa> h3llborn: have you tried xom? |
| 14:14:03 | <cpower> Design call's new schedule. Today at noon or already had it? |
| 14:14:21 | <h3llborn> rafa: I have not yet |
| 14:14:44 | <burke> cpower: today at noon EDT. I updated the wiki: https://wiki.openmrs.org/x/eIJ1AQ |
| 14:14:46 | <h3llborn> rafa: but if its using xpath its gonna be the same issue |
| 14:14:49 | <cpower> In a not surprising way your time zone listing and subject line confused me |
| 14:14:58 | <djazayeri1> dkayiwa: 2 minutes |
| 14:15:11 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri1: ok |
| 14:15:36 | <cpower> Sorry I'm late, having a "fun" Monday, shall we scrum? |
| 14:15:53 | <cpower> !scrumon cpower |
| 14:15:53 | * OpenMRSBot says the DAILY SCRUM MEETING is STARTING. This meeting should not last longer than 15 minutes. Please hold other comments until the end of the meeting, or message someone privately. Thank you! ScrumMaster cpower- you may begin when ready. |
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| 14:16:32 | <cpower> Order: djazayeri1 , wyclif , rafa , dkayiwa , suranga , h3llborn and anyone else that would like to update |
| 14:16:33 | <rafa> h3llborn: try xom and if you see the same problem just iterate |
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| 14:17:14 | <h3llborn> rafa: ok, thats gonna sucks having to iterate thorough that file :P |
| 14:17:51 | <wyclif> cpower: are we scrumming? |
| 14:17:56 | <cpower> yep |
| 14:18:10 | <cpower> djazayeri1: seems to away, so go wyclif |
| 14:18:26 | <djazayeri1> Recently |
| 14:18:29 | <djazayeri1> * Organizing tickets |
| 14:18:41 | <djazayeri1> * Reviewing all the good work that rafa and dkayiwa have been doing |
| 14:18:43 | <djazayeri1> no blockers |
| 14:19:54 | <cpower> wyclif: |
| 14:20:26 | <wyclif> Friday: |
| 14:20:26 | <wyclif> - GSoC code reviews |
| 14:20:28 | <wyclif> - Code review and apply if necessary: |
| 14:20:29 | <wyclif> - Follow up commit for TRUNK-4033 - locking mechanism for encounter_type |
| 14:20:31 | <wyclif> - Reviewed follow up TRUNK-4011 and pushed the code - Display a confirmation box if stopping a module will automatically shut down other dependent modules |
| 14:20:32 | <wyclif> - Revisited RA-164 - Address does not display in the dashboard |
| 14:20:34 | <wyclif> Monday: |
| 14:20:35 | <wyclif> - Review and apply pull requests |
| 14:20:36 | <wyclif> - pick up an RA ticket |
| 14:20:37 | <wyclif> Blockers: None |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> Today: |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> * Committed |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> + RA-163 |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> Soundex searching for similar patient matching |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-163 |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> * Working on |
| 14:20:47 | <rafa> + RA-161 |
| 14:20:48 | <rafa> Registration - Gender once selected should move to next screen by keyboard navigation |
| 14:20:48 | <rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-161 |
| 14:20:49 | <rafa> + RA-188 |
| 14:20:49 | <rafa> End Visit from DEPD |
| 14:20:50 | <rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-188 |
| 14:20:50 | <rafa> No blockers. |
| 14:21:02 | <dkayiwa> Did a minor commit for: Include vitals on the patient dashboard - RA-147 |
| 14:21:02 | <dkayiwa> Continuing with: Include vitals on the patient dashboard - RA-147 |
| 14:21:02 | <dkayiwa> No Blockers |
| 14:21:08 | <suranga> Hi |
| 14:21:16 | <suranga> Done : Addressing faults in TRUNK-4011 |
| 14:21:19 | <suranga> no blockers |
| 14:21:53 | <h3llborn> Today |
| 14:21:53 | <h3llborn> * Finish SDK-11 |
| 14:21:53 | <h3llborn> - Blocked on xml namespace xpath traversing, have a few possible solutions in mind |
| 14:21:53 | <h3llborn> - worst case iteration |
| 14:23:08 | <cpower> Annoucements: Design call in 1hr 40 mins! for our new split time! Hope to see some new faces at hopefully a more friendly time! |
| 14:23:16 | <cpower> !scrumoff |
| 14:23:16 | * OpenMRSBot says the DAILY SCRUM MEETING has ENDED. This channel is now returned to normal hacking operations. Post-scrum meeting follow-up conversations may now begin. |
| 14:23:56 | <jkeiper> anyone here remember what test class will export data in XML format? |
| 14:24:05 | <jkeiper> i'm searching for it with no luck |
| 14:24:32 | <h3llborn> rafa: unless you have anything else to add, I'm gonna go ahead and try xom and if that won't work, ill give one of the stackoverflow solutions a try and worst case I'll just iterate (which suckkkks) hahaha |
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| 14:24:53 | <rafa> h3llborn: sounds good |
| 14:25:15 | <djazayeri1> jkeiper: CreateInitialDatasetTest |
| 14:25:22 | <jkeiper> aha! |
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| 14:25:41 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: ready to chat? |
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| 14:25:48 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: yes |
| 14:26:04 | <jkeiper> djazayeri: thanks |
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| 14:27:19 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: what technology? should we just try the standup hangout first? |
| 14:28:01 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: whichever you prefer. i can do any :) |
| 14:28:18 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: okay, meet you on the standup hangout |
| 14:28:28 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: ok connecting.... |
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| 15:27:08 | <harsz89> hi jkeiper |
| 15:28:28 | <jkeiper> hello harsz89 |
| 15:28:43 | <harsz89> jkeiper, mostly done with the changes :) |
| 15:28:51 | <jkeiper> harsz89: excellent :-) |
| 15:29:00 | <harsz89> jkeiper, can we arrange meeting on mid or end of this week |
| 15:29:02 | <harsz89> ? |
| 15:29:12 | <harsz89> jkeiper, have some css things not much :) |
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| 15:30:00 | <harsz89> jkeiper, as I remember AdaYeung hv a travel plans |
| 15:30:13 | <harsz89> jkeiper, i'll drop a mail |
| 15:30:23 | <harsz89> jkeiper, if you available we can hv d meething :) |
| 15:32:39 | <jkeiper> harsz89: oh, that's fine |
| 15:32:45 | <jkeiper> i have a meeting in 30 minutes |
| 15:33:10 | <rafa> djazayeri: what do you think about https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-161 ? |
| 15:33:28 | <harsz89> jkeiper, thursday or friday would be ideal for me :) |
| 15:33:45 | <harsz89> jkeiper, i'll drop a mail to both of you |
| 15:33:47 | <harsz89> jkeiper, :) |
| 15:33:52 | <jkeiper> harsz89: thx |
| 15:33:57 | <harsz89> jkeiper, :) |
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| 15:44:57 | <djazayeri> rafa: I don't really like that solution, since elsewhere we always need to hit Enter or Tab to go to the next field. |
| 15:45:19 | <rafa> djazayeri: ok, thanks |
| 15:45:26 | <rafa> djazayeri: I will change |
| 15:45:39 | <rafa> djazayeri: fair point |
| 15:46:26 | <djazayeri> rafa: as far as making the formatDatePretty code testable, can't you just manually construct a date that is today, and pass it in? |
| 15:46:40 | <djazayeri> rafa: and same for manually constructing a date that is yesterday? |
| 15:47:18 | <djazayeri> rafa: I guess there's a slight chance that the tests run at 11:59.999 and bomb, but that doesn't bother me. |
| 15:47:22 | <djazayeri> rafa: or am I missing something? |
| 15:47:43 | <rafa> djazayeri: right, but I want to test if it works for 2000-01-01 and 1999-12-31 |
| 15:48:37 | <LeeBreisacher1> rafa, djazayeri: while you're in there fixing Gender and related items, can you have a look at this one that I found a couple weeks ago: https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-195 |
| 15:48:45 | <wyclif> hi djazayeri |
| 15:48:58 | <djazayeri> rafa: hmmâ¦so, how does mockito complain about making the method package-private (default)? |
| 15:49:34 | <rafa> djazayeri: well actually nevermind, I'll extract that code to a different class |
| 15:49:39 | <djazayeri> wyclif: hi |
| 15:49:46 | <djazayeri> rafa: cool, thanks |
| 15:49:48 | <rafa> djazayeri: so it doesn't clutter ui |
| 15:50:02 | <djazayeri> rafa: one option would be to put it in FormatterImpl, but not expose it in the public interface. |
| 15:50:16 | <wyclif> i have just realized i have to give up my suggestion for RA-164 of adding web utility methods |
| 15:50:21 | <rafa> djazayeri: ok, I'll have a look |
| 15:51:45 | <wyclif> djazayeri: why does uiframework have 'web' classes like GroovyPageView in the api project? |
| 15:53:11 | <djazayeri> wyclif: short answer: because "web" in OpenMRS modules really means "packaged for the current web application" and I wanted to make uiframework usable outside of the existing openmrs-web layer, but also in a new webapp built on top of openmrs-api |
| 15:53:16 | <djazayeri> wyclif: long answer will have to wait until later |
| 15:55:51 | <wyclif> djazayeri: aways i just wanted to say because of this i can't what i suggested for RA-164 of adding web based utility classes to use in groovy fragment and page views |
| 15:59:01 | <h3llborn> rafa: I got it!!!!! |
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| 16:21:56 | <rafa> h3llborn: awesome! |
| 16:22:43 | <rafa> h3llborn: Do you think you will finish SDK-10 and SDK-11 today? |
| 16:23:56 | <h3llborn> rafa: ya that shoudln't be an issue! |
| 16:24:15 | <rafa> h3llborn: would be great! |
| 16:24:28 | <rafa> h3llborn: I will be able to test tomorrow |
| 16:24:30 | <h3llborn> rafa: I'm just finishing off the sdk-11 right now, sdk-10 is I think done I did some tinkering with it over the weekend, I just haven't had a chance to commit anything yet due to time constraints! |
| 16:24:48 | <rafa> h3llborn: perfect |
| 16:24:50 | <h3llborn> rafa: ya I'll email you a packed installer if u like |
| 16:24:59 | <rafa> h3llborn: yes, please do so |
| 16:25:14 | <h3llborn> rafa: sounds good! I posted the solution to the namespace on the ticket btw |
| 16:25:16 | <rafa> h3llborn: we are slightly behind a planned beta release |
| 16:25:28 | <rafa> h3llborn: so let's try to do that as soon as possible |
| 16:25:33 | <h3llborn> rafa: ahah yessir! |
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| 17:16:19 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: the problem is in extensions/url |
| 17:16:24 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: you said "url": "coreapps/findpatient/findPatient.page?app=coreapps.findPatient", |
| 17:16:43 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: but it needs to be â¦app=referenceapplication.vitalsapp |
| 17:16:49 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: ok |
| 17:17:19 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: The find patient patient page gets an AppDescriptor based on the "app" parameter that you pass it, and it gets the config from that AppDescriptor |
| 17:17:32 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: ok |
| 17:17:47 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: so you need to give it the app id of the relevant app |
| 17:17:50 | <djazayeri> dkayiwa: does that make sense? |
| 17:18:08 | <dkayiwa> djazayeri: oh yes and thanks :) |
| 17:24:17 | <jkeiper> djazayeri: using the CreateInitialDatasetTest, where does BaseContextSensitiveTest look for the non-in-memory db profile? |
| 17:24:46 | <djazayeri> jkeiper: I haven't used that thing in 2+ years, so I have no recollection |
| 17:24:57 | <jkeiper> djazayeri: ah ok ... i'll see what i can figure out :-) |
| 17:25:02 | <djazayeri> jkeiper: I assume it does a standard look for the runtime properties file |
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| 18:04:05 | <h3llborn_> rafa: http://pastie.org/8271641 |
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| 18:54:02 | <rfriedman_away> h3llborn, do i understand this thread to say that you have solved your xml navigation problem? |
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| 19:02:17 | <wyclif> hi djazayeri |
| 19:02:40 | <wyclif> djazayeri: is RA-146 - diagnosis on CFPD ready for work |
| 19:05:39 | <wyclif> djazayeri: ? |
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| 19:17:06 | <djazayeri> wyclif: hi |
| 19:17:21 | <djazayeri> wyclif: I did just mark it as Waiting for Development, following this morning's call |
| 19:18:01 | <djazayeri> wyclif: I would like to see RA-145 get finished first (which will involve some work on the server) |
| 19:19:47 | <wyclif> djazayeri: ok i will work on RA-145 |
| 19:26:14 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: correct, sorry for the late response, but now I got another small problem :P |
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| 19:30:32 | <GitHub165> [openmrs-core] wluyima pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/DU_X_A |
| 19:30:32 | <GitHub165> openmrs-core/master f412d88 suranga: Follow up to fix bug where a user can't remove a module - TRUNK-4011... |
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| 19:31:26 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: hi. have you tried register-patient recently? when entering the patient name, it seems you can no longer just type the first name and hit enter to get to the last name. you have to hit enter twice? |
| 19:32:14 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: rafa changed the autocomplete widget, and I recall him saying he had the behavior you describe, and then fixed it |
| 19:32:19 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: I haven't tried myself. |
| 19:32:26 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: is this on devtest01 or devtes02? |
| 19:32:31 | <LeeBreisacher1> 01 |
| 19:32:52 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: I'll keep that in mind when testing. (Are you trying to automate a test for this now?) |
| 19:34:11 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: no. sorry. I was just checking to see how things work. the existing automated (quarantined) test for register-patient has not failed in quite some time. I keep thinking I should un-quarantine it. |
| 19:34:47 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: but of course the detailed UI behavior is not always tested by an automated test |
| 19:35:10 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: never mind. it is working correctly now! |
| 19:35:33 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: I must have been looking at my local build (which I have not updated recently) |
| 19:35:45 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: cool, good to know it's fixed |
| 19:35:53 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: there is still this one annoying bug: https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-195 |
| 19:36:54 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: yeah, I think our only option is to implement (or borrow) an actual widget that behaves like a <select> but looks like individual radio buttons. |
| 19:37:32 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: ? |
| 19:37:58 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: RA-195 is just a bug. no? |
| 19:40:16 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: here's another behavior that I find annoying (but maybe is not a bug): you get to Gender and type "M", then ENTER, takes you to Birthdate ready to type the Day. then you realize that you meant to hit "F", not "M", so you type "Shift-TAB" to go back to the Gender, but it won't let you go back. It says "Required" because the Day field is in fact required, but still...seems like I should be able to go backwar |
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| 19:41:42 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/-qGa> (at travis-ci.org) |
| 19:45:18 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: I noticed that recently, and yes, I agree that it's a bug. Backwards navigation should not fail on a field being required |
| 19:46:18 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: will you create a ticket, or would you like me to? |
| 19:46:27 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: can you please? I'm making lunch |
| 19:46:41 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: ooh, what are we having? |
| 19:49:49 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: and by "making" I mean to say, putting leftovers in the microwave |
| 19:50:05 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: does leftover steak and leftover fish = surf and turf? |
| 19:50:21 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: sure, if you say so |
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| 19:56:00 | <mareias> well, I was trying to read the last conversation and it was pretty fun read about leftover stack and leftover fish hahaha |
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| 20:14:07 | <GitHub165> [openmrs-core] wluyima closed pull request #392: Trunk 4011 amended (master...TRUNK-4011-amended) http://git.io/MVo7FQ |
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| 20:49:20 | <djazayeri> downey: am I supposed to be able to assign an issue to someone else now in RA? |
| 20:49:45 | <djazayeri> downey: because i can't with RA-163 |
| 21:00:13 | <downey> djazayeri: will take a look |
| 21:00:16 | <downey> !ticket RA-163 |
| 21:00:18 | <OpenMRSBot> downey: [#RA-163] Soundex searching for similar patient matching - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/RA-163 |
| 21:00:38 | <djazayeri> downey: I commented on the ITSM ticket |
| 21:02:28 | <djazayeri> wyclif, LeeBreisacher1: based on the conversation we had with breeze last week, any thoughts about the cleanest way to nuke the devtest02 database and reset it? |
| 21:03:09 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: ask Breeze? ;-) |
| 21:03:20 | <djazayeri> LeeBreisacher1: that _would_ work |
| 21:03:57 | <LeeBreisacher1> djazayeri: seriously, we didn't really get the details of how devtest0x are setup |
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| 21:05:31 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well I finally got it all working! |
| 21:13:17 | <wyclif> djazayeri: i have just shed into devtest02 and manually added the feature toggles file and now the new patient header is visible |
| 21:14:01 | <djazayeri> wyclif: okay, can you also think about how we'd create this with puppet (even though the whole machine is not set up that way) and email the list asking Breeze if that's the right way? |
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| 21:15:37 | <wyclif> djazayeri: i tried it via puppet but i couldn't get vagrant to have the mysql instance not to be bound to localhost of the host |
| 21:16:12 | <wyclif> djazayeri: i added the port forwarding but it is binding the address to 127.0.0.1, i will email breeze |
| 21:20:13 | <djazayeri> wyclif: okay |
| 21:21:26 | <h3llborn> just throwing it out there, but xml modifying suckkks |
| 21:30:45 | <wyclif> djazayeri: FYI installing it via puppet should work out of the box because the feature toggles file is packaged along, we would just need to add the property and set it to true in the puppet files |
| 21:31:04 | <djazayeri> wyclif: yeah, that's why I emailed about doing phoenix servers |
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| 21:47:28 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, would you rather be working with hexadecimal? |
| 21:48:53 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: id pass ahah |
| 21:49:32 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, so how did you solve your navigation problem? xslt? xom? jaxb? |
| 21:50:24 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well I had to use namespace manager with dom4j |
| 21:50:36 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: that finally let me traverse using xpath |
| 21:51:03 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, yes, I mean xpath, not xslt |
| 21:51:13 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: here is the currenlty working, but messy java app I wrote to modify a pom.xml |
| 21:51:14 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: https://gist.github.com/h3llborn/6323711 |
| 21:52:11 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i don't know why namespaces should make such a big difference when you are only working at the dom level |
| 21:53:33 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i can see where they would impact at the jaxb level, but if you're not using an xsd (which I don't think maven would because it's so extensible), then it should cut you some slack |
| 21:54:12 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: its so stupid, if you take away the header which links to the namespace for maven it works like a charm |
| 21:54:36 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, yes, that is what I mean and would expect |
| 21:55:10 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: however due to good coding practices rafal wanted to keep it in ahah so I had to use namespace mapping, see http://www.edankert.com/defaultnamespaces.html#Conclusion |
| 21:55:13 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/-qKT> (at www.edankert.com) |
| 21:56:12 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, I found out in the last 3 weeks that according to the spec, the target namespace need not even exist |
| 21:57:08 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well that would've saved me 2 days of headaches hahah |
| 21:57:35 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: however it was a good learning experience! |
| 21:57:42 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, get the headaches, earn a beer :) |
| 21:58:01 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: good idea! I'll have to try that once I'm home :P |
| 21:58:15 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, or even twice |
| 21:58:32 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: indeed! so what are you doing with hex numbers, if you don't mind me asking |
| 21:59:00 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, converting them to Base64 for fun and profit |
| 21:59:51 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: interesting! why do you need them in base64? |
| 22:00:13 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, to send them over the wire to be converted back to hexadecimal |
| 22:01:20 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: damn, didn't expect that! :Pis this for openmrs? |
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| 22:01:41 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, haha, it is not all that futile |
| 22:02:03 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: I was gonna say! |
| 22:02:14 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, our project is DHIS2 integration, and DHIS2 uses Base64 for its uuids |
| 22:02:34 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, only takes 11 characters instead of 38 |
| 22:03:06 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, just depends on where you got on the Moore's law curve as to how important you think that is !! |
| 22:05:01 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: very true! well sounds like a pain to have to do all this |
| 22:05:02 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, one of the first computers around, the IBM 1650, used a magnetic drum memory |
| 22:05:23 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: holy aha well we've come a LONG way eh |
| 22:05:49 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, you optimized your code by figuring out how long it took to do you instruction, and placed your next instruction on the drum so it would be right under the read head |
| 22:07:05 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, very common in those days to have an address field in the instruction that said where the next instruction was coming from |
| 22:07:16 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well that's a very interesting way of coding I gotta say! reminds me of my former teacher talking about punch cards! |
| 22:07:38 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, people really believed it was important that computers stored instructions and data the same way |
| 22:08:03 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, it was considered high level trickery to modify your code on the fly |
| 22:08:18 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, in fact, before the days of index registers, that's how you would do a loop |
| 22:08:29 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well that sounds super complex haha |
| 22:08:41 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, a lot of low level timewasting |
| 22:09:00 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, it was amazing anything got done |
| 22:09:07 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: sounds like it! are you any good with asm? |
| 22:09:35 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, when I started, asm was just being developed, i did my own hand assembly at first |
| 22:09:50 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, then had to punch it into paper tape |
| 22:10:06 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, at that time, i could do hexadecimal math in my head |
| 22:10:21 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: omg thats crazy! |
| 22:10:36 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: well in my young eyes at least |
| 22:10:51 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, that's where the word patch comes from, you'd literally patch your paper tape to fix bugs |
| 22:11:10 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: Today I learned, right there ^ |
| 22:11:52 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, did you take a look at the video about computer history that I linked to on the dev list? |
| 22:13:05 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ya I did see it, didn't have much avaialbe free time at that current moment, I briefly checked it out |
| 22:13:30 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, well I was there for most of it |
| 22:13:47 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, started programming in 1959 |
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| 22:14:19 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: omg thats quite a while! and you still are to this day right? :P |
| 22:14:42 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, when i'm not avoiding work by chatting on irc :) |
| 22:15:24 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: haha I just saw on the email, you work for the center for disease control? |
| 22:15:31 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, yup |
| 22:15:43 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: as a doctor? :D |
| 22:15:51 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, actually I'm a contractor with Northrop Grumman but have been here at CDC for 16 years |
| 22:16:00 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: you started before there was even a plan for of my father marrying my father :) |
| 22:16:08 | <dkayiwa> mother :) |
| 22:16:12 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, haha, i'm not a doctor but i play one on openmrs |
| 22:16:12 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: thats pretty awesome! |
| 22:16:34 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, nobody's father was marrying their father in those days!! |
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| 22:16:55 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: lolllllllllllll :D :D :D |
| 22:16:58 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: dkayiwa nice slip up :P |
| 22:17:10 | <dkayiwa> h3llborn: hahahahha :) |
| 22:17:47 | <h3llborn> dkayiwa: how long have you been coding for? :P |
| 22:18:02 | <dkayiwa> h3llborn: started just recently :) |
| 22:18:24 | <h3llborn> dkayiwa: within the last 5 years? |
| 22:18:29 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, don't be modest, it's obvious your mind was already coding before you discovered what coding was |
| 22:18:39 | <dkayiwa> h3llborn: 2002 :) |
| 22:18:55 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: lolllllllllllllllllllll :D |
| 22:19:36 | <h3llborn> dkayiwa: ahah I feel soo young, I started in like 2009 |
| 22:19:56 | <h3llborn> dkayiwa: highschool gr 11 was when it got actually hard :P |
| 22:19:59 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, lucky, you don't have to forget so much |
| 22:20:08 | <dkayiwa> h3llborn: you must be fresh and bright :) |
| 22:20:20 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: lollllllll :D |
| 22:20:28 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, well rafa has been polishing him pretty hard |
| 22:20:31 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: why's that, is it cause you've learnd soo much? |
| 22:20:54 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, technology is always changing, you have to forget the past and learn the new |
| 22:20:56 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: oh yes i see they are the most chatty (on irc) gsoc pair :) |
| 22:21:37 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, i learn how to treat maurya (my gsoc) from them :) |
| 22:21:46 | <h3llborn> dkayiwa: ahaha rafa and I like to meet up every morning to check, but ya I haven't seen really any other gsoc students on here who talk as much as rafa and I do |
| 22:22:09 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: i better learn from them too :) |
| 22:22:23 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, maurya and i mostly use skype because we can share screens or talk when we want to |
| 22:22:38 | <dkayiwa> h3llborn: you and rafa do steal the IRC show!!! :) |
| 22:22:59 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: oh sweet! ya rafa and I only really do have video sharing if there's a really annoying or difficult bug |
| 22:23:07 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, also rafa is very punctilious about tickets ... i have never been very good about writing them and maurya is not very dedicated to knocking them off |
| 22:23:40 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, we are very gestalt |
| 22:26:03 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, hs grade 11 is about 15? I've always thought 13 year old boys just have a willingness to try and try and try to learn the rules of the world and defeat them |
| 22:26:22 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, like sk8ers |
| 22:26:30 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ya I think its about 15-16 |
| 22:27:00 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: aha well ya rafa really like to keep on top of those tickets! |
| 22:27:45 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, rafa is really good, very precise |
| 22:28:03 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ya I'm very happy with him as a mentor! |
| 22:28:42 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, but i doubt you talk bollywood as much as maurya and i :) |
| 22:29:33 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: oh no, we don't really talk about that at all :P we sometimes joke about some german heritage stuff on my end but mostly its just ticket oriented! |
| 22:30:09 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, there are so many different approaches |
| 22:30:29 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: about making fun about my heritage? :P |
| 22:30:54 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, darius is very creative |
| 22:31:47 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, mike seaton thinks very deeply |
| 22:32:05 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: haha tag team to make fun off people eh? :P |
| 22:32:47 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, my gsoc last year was german |
| 22:33:34 | <rfriedman> we spent a lot of time joking about regional peculiarities of germans |
| 22:34:41 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i think he would have been happier with a more ticket-oriented environment |
| 22:35:04 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: oh ya there are TONS |
| 22:35:13 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: regional differences |
| 22:35:28 | <rfriedman> my approach is that right thinking leads to right action, so I spend a lot of time making sure the big picture and the smaller pictures are clear |
| 22:37:43 | <rfriedman> and then there's dkayiwa, he likes to work everything out himself, just send him the error log and the code :) |
| 22:38:32 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: that is not good :) |
| 22:38:49 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, but it's oh so convenient for us :) |
| 22:39:15 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: hahah rafal usually lets me debug the crap out of things, until he takes the rope :P |
| 22:39:18 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: hhahahahahah, yes in the short term :) |
| 22:41:11 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, you will be rewarded by being made boss when you can just give the log and code to one of your slaves :) |
| 22:41:44 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: hahhhhhhhhahahahah :D |
| 22:42:05 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, that's called outsourcing :) |
| 22:42:19 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: oh yes :) |
| 22:43:02 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, it's going to be like textiles, the work goes to the cheapest country and everyone else just makes deals :) |
| 22:43:27 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: and i guess thats India :) |
| 22:43:51 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, vietnam? guatemala? |
| 22:44:01 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: no way :) |
| 22:44:05 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, philippines!! |
| 22:44:20 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: ummmmm, nop :) |
| 22:44:45 | <rfriedman> dkayiwa, i think they are doing quite well with their health it |
| 22:45:14 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: oh yes CHITS caught me unawares :) |
| 22:45:37 | <rfriedman> they hide out in that far away timezone and just crank it out :) |
| 22:45:54 | <dkayiwa> rfriedman: oh yes :) |
| 22:46:44 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: did you hear about this highup programmer who outsourced his work to china? |
| 22:47:14 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, there are gsoc interns who are farming out their work on a tasking website |
| 22:47:31 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: are you serious? |
| 22:48:18 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, absolutely, it's on the mentors mailing list, they thought the guy was not making steady progress, but bringing in complete hunks, and he couldn't explain it very well, got him to confess |
| 22:49:03 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, now google watches those sites for gsocs |
| 22:49:59 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, we are so lucky with our gsocs, other projects get complete flakes ... but of course we put a lot of work into the selection process |
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| 22:50:44 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: damn I didn't even know those sites existed! lol |
| 22:51:06 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: but whats the point of farmking the projects out, it may cost more than what you get with what google pays |
| 22:51:22 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, for extra credit, develop a bot that will interact with rafa over irc :) |
| 22:51:38 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, some of these people work so cheap, he was still making a profit!! |
| 22:54:55 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ahaha that would be an interesting bot! |
| 22:55:18 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i mean, some people are actually translating capchas for $, they sit there looking at images and type in what they see which goes into the capcha library |
| 22:55:19 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: hmm Im doing this for experience for myself though those guys don't really get anything out of it :s |
| 22:55:34 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, it's quite a think to have on your resume |
| 22:55:37 | <rfriedman> thing |
| 22:56:15 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i have been hearing from my india gsocs lately, they all have good jobs with big companies now |
| 22:56:36 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: oh really? Looks like I should go apply at some jobs after im done here :D |
| 22:56:58 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: after the summer is over |
| 22:57:03 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, if you're not independently wealthy |
| 22:57:27 | <rfriedman> obviously you're Bruce Wayne sitting in your batcave programming while your butler brings you sandwiches |
| 22:57:30 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: not quite yet, I'm a poor student :( |
| 22:57:44 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: just like every other student out there |
| 22:58:57 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, wasn't at least one of them a student on Hollywood Hills? |
| 22:59:17 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, like the main one who was interning at the fashion agency? |
| 22:59:57 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: not sure, although there are some of my friends who are quite well off! due to their parents giving them too much spending money :P |
| 23:00:39 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, there are some people out there who are crazy rich, there was a piece about student apartments being built with pools and clubhouses and all sorts of stuff to attract the high end crowd |
| 23:00:53 | <rfriedman> think in NY Times |
| 23:01:22 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ahah jesus, well some of my fraternity chapter houses are like that but they are always in the usa |
| 23:01:25 | <rfriedman> 60" tvs |
| 23:02:24 | <rfriedman> we are so weird in this country |
| 23:03:32 | <rfriedman> ok, h3llborn, when i start turning into a grumpy old fart complaining about today's youth, it's time to go home!!! |
| 23:03:47 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ahah ok :P well you've not done so yet! |
| 23:04:14 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: I have a 42" tv in my basement on the wall for gaming, well I don't game anymore so just for netflix |
| 23:04:41 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, how come you don't game anymore? |
| 23:05:16 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: xbl expired, hahaha |
| 23:05:37 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: plus Im usually pretty busy with stuff |
| 23:05:49 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: such as working or school |
| 23:07:19 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, some of my friends who like me have kids in their 20s who are still spending all their free time gaming are just hoping it will cut back but it hasn't |
| 23:07:53 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, one guy has a 30+ anesthesiologist son who still spends all his free time gaming |
| 23:08:16 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, and he's chinese, so of course his father is pissed off about it |
| 23:09:16 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ahah I can imagine, im surprised he's got time as an anesthesiologist to game :s my friends father is also one and he's usually too busy for anything |
| 23:09:51 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, yeah, well he doesn't date or anything |
| 23:10:45 | <h3llborn> rfriedman: ohh ok, well i guess then he does have some time :P |
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| 23:12:07 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, i was really surprised to find out how social darius is, I figured him to be a total geek |
| 23:12:31 | <djazayeri1> rfriedman: who says I'm not a total geek? |
| 23:12:44 | <rfriedman> djazayeri1, i was at your wedding, fool |
| 23:12:50 | <h3llborn> rfriedman:hahaha zing |
| 23:13:18 | <djazayeri1> rfriedman: I maintain I can still be a total geek anyway :-P |
| 23:13:36 | <h3llborn> djazayeri1: do you game much ? |
| 23:13:47 | <rfriedman> djazayeri1, if you can cook anything more complicated that cereal and milk, you're not a geek |
| 23:13:53 | <rfriedman> than |
| 23:13:56 | <djazayeri1> h3llborn: not in years |
| 23:14:15 | <djazayeri1> and I can cook, so⦠|
| 23:14:33 | <rfriedman> djazayeri1, not only cook but throw dinner parties |
| 23:14:34 | <h3llborn> djazayeri1: haha I tend to only play steam games these days, cause I'm mostly on my mac |
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| 23:17:02 | <rfriedman> h3llborn, speaking of cooking, i really do have to go cook dinner ... it's my only redeeming feature |
| 23:17:20 | <rfriedman> ciao, all |
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