IRC Chat : 2011-10-05 - OpenMRS

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08:32:06 <dkayiwa> hi bwolfe_
08:39:07 <robbyoconnor> hi dkayiwa
08:39:12 <robbyoconnor> hi bwolfe_
08:39:15 <dkayiwa> hi robbyoconnor
08:39:23 <robbyoconnor> meh
09:11:17 <dkayiwa> hi rafa
09:11:24 <rafa> hi dkayiwa
09:12:01 <dkayiwa> do you know how i can always get reviews attached to tickets without googling? :)
09:12:36 <rafa> dkayiwa: what I do is open a ticket and click source tab and create review
09:13:45 <dkayiwa> rafa when i just want to review other people's tickets
09:14:11 <rafa> dkayiwa: ohh that I don't know
09:14:26 <dkayiwa> ok
09:15:22 <rafa> bwolfe_: is a master of JIRA ;)
09:15:49 <dkayiwa> not Michaeln :)
09:16:07 <rafa> dkayiwa: too
09:16:27 <dkayiwa> who is more :D
09:16:50 <rafa> dkayiwa: it's like asking what was first egg or chicken ;)
09:17:03 <dkayiwa> hhahahahah :D
09:17:26 <dkayiwa> God created chicken :)
09:18:00 <rafa> dkayiwa: or egg ;P
09:18:19 <dkayiwa> chicken :)
09:18:33 <rafa> egg
09:18:34 <dkayiwa> then it layed eggs
09:18:46 <dkayiwa> who would hatch the egg
09:18:56 <dkayiwa> without chicken
09:19:31 <rafa> haha you just resolved unresolved dilemma :D
09:19:40 <dkayiwa> :D
09:19:42 <rafa> clever guy :P
09:19:59 <dkayiwa> lollllll. i just read the Bible :)
09:21:14 <rafa> dkayiwa: okay so go figure out who is better at JIRA now ;)
09:21:28 <dkayiwa> hahahahah :D
09:22:03 <dkayiwa> unfortunately cant get that from Bible :(
09:23:45 <dkayiwa> by the way rafa when do u get to kigali
09:24:12 <rafa> dkayiwa: ohh I don't
09:24:26 <dkayiwa> u dont know
09:24:42 <rafa> dkayiwa: I didn't manage it this time
09:25:05 <dkayiwa> why
09:25:56 <rafa> dkayiwa: It's pretty complicated to get there from here and there was not enough time to fulfill all formalities
09:26:08 <dkayiwa> oh sorry
09:26:08 <rafa> foremost I need VISA to enter Rwanda
09:26:16 <rafa> and I can only get one in Berlin
09:26:19 <dkayiwa> you can buy on arrival
09:26:38 <surangak> rafa, I myself got an on arrival visa
09:26:58 <surangak> rafa, they sent me a letter saying, "you can pick up visa when u arrive here"
09:27:13 <rafa> ohh yes?
09:27:26 <dkayiwa> yes u can
09:27:40 <dkayiwa> in Africa things are simpler
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09:27:54 <rafa> there was nothing about it on the embassy website :/
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09:28:04 <dkayiwa> not many people would love to stay here :)
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09:28:28 <rafa> hi djazayeri
09:28:34 <djazayeri> hi rafa
09:28:53 <djazayeri> This wiki page took 5 minutes to load, but is working now. :-)
09:28:54 <rafa> welcome to our time zone ;)
09:29:18 <rafa> happy to hear
09:29:23 <dkayiwa> no more early morning waking up :)
09:29:29 <surangak> djazayeri, yep, so u finally decided to move to the 'better' time zone
09:29:40 <surangak> djazayeri, this time zone rocks :-)
09:29:47 <dkayiwa> but late night sleep :)
09:30:12 <dkayiwa> surangak: have you ever worked for an advertising company? :)
09:30:27 <djazayeri> indeed
09:31:01 <dkayiwa> the weather rocks more than the time zone :)
09:31:08 <surangak> dkayiwa, sorry, didnt understand you ?
09:31:17 <surangak> dkayiwa, advertising company ?
09:31:27 <dkayiwa> surangak: you have advertising words:)
09:31:44 <dkayiwa> now advertising for time zone :)
09:31:56 <surangak> dkayiwa, I used to write political stuff for the news some time back
09:31:56 <rafa> djazayeri: would you have any objections if I splitted the table with views from TRUNK-2710 in two?
09:32:07 <dkayiwa> oh i seee
09:32:07 <surangak> dkayiwa, maybe its spreading :-)
09:32:15 <rafa> djazayeri: one with visits and empty visits and the other with unasiggned encounters
09:32:15 <dkayiwa> surangak: lollllllllll :)
09:32:28 <rafa> djazayeri: it's because there's no full outer join in hiberante
09:32:34 <surangak> rafa, that form u wanted is http://www.migration.gov.rw/singleform.php
09:34:17 <rafa> surangak: Thanks. I'll use it next year :)
09:34:45 <dkayiwa> rafa: next year will not be Kigali :)
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09:35:49 <rafa> dkayiwa: ahh right
09:36:11 <dkayiwa> rafa: next yeat will be Kampala :)
09:36:45 <rafa> dkayiwa: you're well informed :D
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09:37:09 <dkayiwa> lollllllllll Dawn is my cousin :D
09:37:39 <rafa> dkayiwa: ha! I didn't know. Nice :D
09:37:48 <dkayiwa> :)
09:38:46 <surangak> dkayiwa, I didnt know that either....
09:39:27 <dkayiwa> lolllllllllllllll
09:39:52 <dkayiwa> but please do not tell her :)
09:41:53 <rafa> dkayiwa: hahaha doesn't she know either?
09:42:43 <dkayiwa> no she does not :)
09:43:15 <rafa> that's cool :D
09:43:25 <dkayiwa> :D
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09:47:14 <djazayeri> rafa: sorry, internet went down
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09:47:23 <djazayeri> what was that ticket number
09:47:23 <djazayeri> ?
09:47:36 <rafa> !ticket TRUNK-2710
09:47:36 <djazayeri> UI-wise, it really needs to be one table.
09:47:37 <OpenMRSBot> rafa: [#TRUNK-2710] Create Encounters by Visit portlet - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2710
09:48:15 <djazayeri> can you do a UNION or something?
09:48:26 <rafa> djazayeri: union is not supported either
09:48:46 <rafa> djazayeri: I could do subselects but it might not perform very well
09:49:34 <djazayeri> rafa: there won't be a ton of visits/encounters for a single patient
09:49:55 <djazayeri> so ignore the performance worries for now.
09:50:06 <rafa> okay
09:54:54 <djazayeri> rafa: question from Lara who's sitting next to me about MDS. Since MDS 0.9 "ProgramWorkflow" doesn't show up in the list of exportable classes, and they aren't included in the export package.
09:55:29 <djazayeri> any idea why that could be?
09:55:35 <djazayeri> and how to fix it?
09:56:59 <rafa> djazayeri: I'm not sure why this happens. I promised to look into that, but I haven't found time yet.
09:57:47 <rafa> djazayeri: maybe today when I'm done with TRUNK-2710
10:00:08 <rafa> djazayeri: there's no way to save ProgramWorkflow alone so it's not displayed, but Program should be displayed
10:00:45 <rafa> djazayeri: but from what Lara says it doesn't include ProgramWorkflows for some reason
10:01:39 <djazayeri> rafa: okay, mark is looking into it now
10:01:47 <djazayeri> (he's sitting on the other side of me)
10:02:44 <rafa> haha you've got nice company all around :D
10:02:48 <djazayeri> rafa: could it be because there's no saveProgramWorkflow method in ProgramWorkflowService?
10:03:06 <rafa> yes, that's why it is not displayed
10:03:17 <rafa> but it should be saved with Program
10:03:34 <rafa> saveProgram
10:04:35 <djazayeri> rafa: i'll have them check whether the dependency gets exported or not. thanks
10:05:01 <djazayeri> once mark has a potential solution, he'll ask you if it's okay
10:05:42 <rafa> djazayeri: cool there's a ticket for that https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/META-147
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10:47:58 <dkayiwa> hi rafa
10:48:16 <rafa> hi
10:48:18 <dkayiwa> rafa: is TRUNK-1993 waiting only for review?
10:48:27 <rafa> !ticket trunk-1993
10:48:28 <OpenMRSBot> rafa: [#TRUNK-1993] UUID used by equals and hashCode in OpenmrsObject - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/trunk-1993
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10:49:15 <rafa> dkayiwa: I think it is waiting for being committed
10:49:29 <dkayiwa> oh by who?
10:49:50 <rafa> ohh sorry this one is committed
10:50:01 <dkayiwa> yes thats what i also thought
10:50:13 <dkayiwa> rafa: do you think its ready to close?
10:51:05 <rafa> dkayiwa: yes, it's a painless change
10:51:27 <rafa> dkayiwa: the child ticket is more complex TRUNK-2362
10:51:54 <dkayiwa> ok
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14:04:54 <rafa> dkayiwa: wyclif hey guys!
14:05:16 <dkayiwa> hey
14:06:33 <rafa> scrum or not yet?
14:06:56 <dkayiwa> yes we can. maybe wait for wyclif
14:07:50 <rafa> was the university call today?
14:08:48 <dkayiwa> was cancelled
14:10:08 <rafa> cool I thought it's still on and that's why others are missing
14:10:19 <wyclif> hey
14:10:25 <rafa> hey wyclif :)
14:10:53 <rafa> ready for take off?
14:10:55 <rafa> let's scrum
14:11:54 <rafa> dkayiwa: do your duty :D
14:12:10 <dkayiwa> rafa: you have already innitiated :)
14:12:22 <dkayiwa> you can start with your update
14:12:46 <rafa> *** Rafal ***
14:12:46 <rafa> Today:
14:12:46 <rafa> * Continued to work on TRUNK-2710: Create Encounters by Visit portlet
14:12:46 <rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2710 (finally got the logic right, now fighting with js and css to make it look cool)
14:12:46 <rafa> Tomorrow:
14:12:46 <rafa> * Will hopefully finish TRUNK-2710.
14:12:47 <rafa> * Move on to TRUNK-2711
14:12:47 <rafa> No blockers. (Blocked for a while due to Hibernate lacking full outer join and union, but managed to get similar effect with two queries)
14:13:40 <dkayiwa> !ticket trunk-2711
14:13:41 <OpenMRSBot> dkayiwa: [#TRUNK-2711] Change active visits in header - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/trunk-2711
14:14:10 <dkayiwa> rafa did u do a union?
14:14:44 <rafa> dkayiwa: well not possible with hibernate, but I did some kind of union in java
14:14:57 <dkayiwa> ok
14:15:15 <rafa> dkayiwa: the problem was that I still wanted to use hibernate's iteration over results
14:15:25 <dkayiwa> oh i see
14:15:55 <rafa> dkayiwa: it was tricky and took me most of my day, but Darius insisted
14:16:02 <dkayiwa> lolllllll
14:16:03 <dkayiwa> :)
14:18:12 <dkayiwa> Closed some tickets
14:18:12 <dkayiwa> Done some code reviews
14:18:13 <dkayiwa> Done some application testing and created some new bug tickets
14:18:13 <dkayiwa> Pinged some devs about their pending tickets and reviews
14:18:13 <dkayiwa> Now continuing to work on my earlier tickets starting with: Ignore blank person addresses on the patient forms - TRUNK-2004
14:18:13 <dkayiwa> No Blockers
14:18:46 <rafa> !ticket TRUNK-2004
14:18:47 <OpenMRSBot> rafa: [#TRUNK-2004] Ignore blank person addresses on the patient forms - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2004
14:19:06 <dkayiwa> that one is a non essential ticket
14:19:22 <rafa> dkayiwa: yeah, why are you decided to work on that?
14:19:30 <dkayiwa> but its a new feature and i was told that all new features should be done before alpha
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14:19:44 <rafa> dkayiwa: ohh I see
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14:19:53 <dkayiwa> but i could be wrong :)
14:19:59 <dkayiwa> about having to work on it
14:20:07 <dkayiwa> just wanted your views :)
14:20:14 <rafa> dkayiwa: maybe we should get rid off blockers first at least ;)
14:20:23 <dkayiwa> ok
14:20:28 <dkayiwa> sounds nice
14:21:01 <dkayiwa> in that case i will chose a blocker and leave that in the meantime
14:21:15 <dkayiwa> though it will increase my threading from 4 to 5 :)
14:21:28 <dkayiwa> multiple threading
14:21:39 <rafa> haha
14:22:46 <rafa> dkayiwa: By chance did you have a look at http://notes.openmrs.org/Testing-Feedback?
14:23:15 <dkayiwa> thanks for the reminder
14:23:32 <dkayiwa> looked at it some time back. but i think i now need to look again
14:23:43 <rafa> dkayiwa: I think not all is covered with tickets yet
14:23:56 <dkayiwa> ok
14:24:17 <dkayiwa> by the way, all formentry module dont work with 1.9
14:24:26 <dkayiwa> as in the cannot submit forms
14:24:39 <dkayiwa> because of the provider change
14:24:47 <rafa> hmm I had no problems using htmlformentry lately
14:25:09 <dkayiwa> rafa, were you able to submit a form? and when was that?
14:25:30 <rafa> dkayiwa: I can test right now
14:25:36 <dkayiwa> please do
14:25:44 <dkayiwa> that will help sort me out
14:25:53 <dkayiwa> because i failed and only got errors
14:26:12 <dkayiwa> thanks in advance :)
14:28:07 <rafa> dkayiwa: worked but with some problems
14:28:16 <dkayiwa> which problems?
14:28:24 <rafa> dkayiwa: I needed to remove all visits before it worked
14:28:30 <dkayiwa> oh
14:28:45 <rafa> dkayiwa: I got an exception saying that an encounter must be within visit start and end time
14:28:46 <dkayiwa> which user did you chose as provider?
14:29:00 <dkayiwa> did you try super user?
14:29:01 <rafa> dkayiwa: I got super user
14:29:20 <dkayiwa> are you working on current trunk?
14:29:25 <rafa> dkayiwa: yes
14:29:30 <rafa> dkayiwa: what exception do you get?
14:29:38 <rafa> dkayiwa: maybe I had that one but I resolved it
14:29:42 <rafa> I don't remember
14:29:46 <dkayiwa> let me show you the ticket number
14:31:51 <dkayiwa> TRUNK-2716
14:32:07 <rafa> !ticket TRUNK-2716
14:32:08 <OpenMRSBot> rafa: [#TRUNK-2716] Cannot submit an encounter form - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2716
14:32:35 <dkayiwa> maybe wyclif fixed it :)
14:33:28 <rafa> it says committed
14:34:06 <wyclif> made a partial fix to unblick you
14:34:14 <wyclif> we need to redo the add/remove providers
14:34:42 <wyclif> the ajax staff doesn't work for new encounter since it has no id
14:34:44 <dkayiwa> wyclif: did u just remove the validation?
14:35:10 <wyclif> i had to remove it because that was based on the old form which had a provider field
14:35:31 <wyclif> now we have to do it differently, so i will have to add it back
14:35:47 <dkayiwa> ok
14:36:07 <wyclif> i just wanted to remove the blocker, and i was waiting for more info if other devs agreed to my view
14:36:33 <dkayiwa> wyclif: Ben said that trunk had no problem
14:36:39 <wyclif> i.e it should be on form submission like the visit page is now
14:36:48 <dkayiwa> he instead say problem is with modules
14:37:00 <rafa> wyclif: Is it a different ticket?
14:37:03 <wyclif> which ticket are talking about?
14:37:10 <dkayiwa> sending user or person id instead o provider_id
14:37:26 <dkayiwa> TRUNK-2716
14:38:11 <dkayiwa> wyclif: are we discussing the same ticket? :)
14:38:16 <wyclif> either way, we have to change it to confirm to the new style of multiple providers
14:38:45 <dkayiwa> ok
14:39:04 <wyclif> these encounter form tickets are related
14:39:31 <wyclif> their problems revolve around the fact that we changed to multiple providers
14:39:53 <wyclif> so fixing how to add/remove encounters will all of them
14:40:08 <dkayiwa> ok
14:40:35 <wyclif> except TRUNK-2715
14:41:08 <dkayiwa> !ticket TRUNK-2715
14:41:09 <OpenMRSBot> dkayiwa: [#TRUNK-2715] Cannot duplicate Basic Form - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2715
14:41:50 <dkayiwa> wyclif: do you have any idea on what is messing up TRUNK-2715?
14:44:20 <wyclif> yes
14:45:03 <wyclif> it is a clash between the objectsavehandler and the getters/setters for xslt and template in Form
14:45:21 <dkayiwa> ohhhhh
14:45:54 <wyclif> there is some kind of strange API logic baked in the getters/setters which i think was bad but probably there was no option
14:46:03 <dkayiwa> ok
14:46:35 <wyclif> am still tryin gto find a work around
14:46:42 <dkayiwa> ok
14:46:52 <dkayiwa> good detective work :)
14:47:44 <wyclif> so as the handler tries to do its thing on the string for xslt and template, it blows up
14:47:56 <dkayiwa> oh now i seeee
14:48:00 <wyclif> let em give my scrum report
14:48:05 <dkayiwa> cool
14:48:44 <wyclif> yesterday:
14:48:44 <wyclif> TRUNK-2712 - Encounter form is broken(This still requires more work)
14:48:44 <wyclif> TRUNK-2716 - Cannot submit an encounter form
14:48:44 <wyclif> TRUNK-2715 - Cannot duplicate Basic Form(Dug into it but not resolved yet)
14:48:44 <wyclif> today:
14:48:45 <wyclif> - TRUNK-2712 - Encounter form is broken - we need to chanage adding/removing providers from being ajax based
14:48:48 <wyclif> - Complete TRUNK-2715 - Cannot duplicate Basic Form, this duplicates - TRUNK-2718
14:48:50 <wyclif> - other Sprint tickets
14:48:52 <wyclif> no blockers
14:49:45 <dkayiwa> ok
14:50:49 <dkayiwa> by the way wyclif about the other ticket of more than one user running the setup wizard
14:51:09 <wyclif> it might be a pain to deal with xslt/template worse case, i wil add those annotations for the fields
14:51:13 <dkayiwa> wyclif: i sort of failed to understand how i should test it
14:51:47 <wyclif> just run the wizard in separate windows
14:52:20 <wyclif> i.e start it in one and see if you trying to start it again in another, you get the message saying it is already running and you see the progress
14:52:40 <dkayiwa> wyclif: i think adding the AllowEmptyStrings annotation will be the quckest fix
14:53:11 <dkayiwa> wyclif: i tried that and the second window just shows the same progress as the first
14:53:18 <wyclif> yead, because xslt and templates are not your ordinary string properties, they are now associations
14:53:27 <dkayiwa> ok
14:53:48 <wyclif> that they are now form resources that are referenced from the form and not string fields
14:54:20 <wyclif> so the handler sees the getters/setters and thinks it can operate on them
14:54:44 <dkayiwa> yes thats correct
14:56:13 <dkayiwa> wyclif: about multiple installer windows
14:56:49 <dkayiwa> at what wizard step should they give error message wyclif
14:58:28 <dkayiwa> wyclif: or should i leave you to be the one to test it?
15:02:23 <wyclif> hey
15:02:29 <dkayiwa> hey
15:02:33 <wyclif> dkayiwa, sorry for the delay
15:02:37 <dkayiwa> ok
15:03:04 <dkayiwa> wyclif: at what wizard step should they give error message
15:03:25 <wyclif> the correct behaviour should be that which ever page you visit in the init wizard, should redirect you to the progress page with an informative message that someone else already started it
15:03:58 <wyclif> unless it is not yet started by anyone else
15:04:21 <dkayiwa> wyclif: that does not happen for me
15:04:46 <dkayiwa> wyclif: am on the page Which type of installation do you want?
15:04:56 <wyclif> the last time i tested it, i ran into the same problem, so i think it stil needs work
15:05:34 <dkayiwa> wyclif: and no error message is shown on the first setup page
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15:05:54 <wyclif> i recall reviewing the code and something didnt seem right in the patch
15:05:55 <downeym> Hi darius and welcome to the #openmrs IRC channel.
15:06:10 <dkayiwa> wyclif: and yet i have many setup page windows open
15:06:25 <wyclif> well, probably mark it as rework needed
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15:06:32 <wyclif> will look at it
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15:06:43 <dkayiwa> ok
15:07:41 <wyclif> dkayiwa, the problem a gsoc student did that and i doubt if he is still available, so we might have to make it work
15:07:51 <dkayiwa> ok
15:08:03 <dkayiwa> wyclif: should we unassign him
15:09:00 <djazayeri> which ticket is that?
15:09:11 <wyclif> he hangs around sometimes, i would say yes, but add a comment asking him if he still wants to work on it
15:09:35 <dkayiwa> ok thanks
15:10:03 <dkayiwa> wyclif: do u remember that ticket number? :)
15:10:06 <djazayeri> dkayiwa: do you know the ticket number for the issue about deleting a regimen group -> deletes the patient?
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15:10:20 <dkayiwa> djazayeri: no
15:10:51 <djazayeri> In case that ticket doesn't say to backport to 1.6, 1.7, and 1.8, we should add that
15:12:42 <r0bby__> hai
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15:14:05 <dkayiwa> djazayeri: did you mean TRUNK-2674 ?
15:16:13 <djazayeri> dkayiwa: don't know, takes forever to load
15:16:16 <djazayeri> !ticket TRUNK-2674
15:16:17 <OpenMRSBot> djazayeri: [#TRUNK-2674] Patient is unintentionally deleted while replacing his/her drug regimen from the regimen tab of the dashboard - OpenMRS JIRA - https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2674
15:16:41 <djazayeri> dkayiwa: yes, that one.
15:17:38 <dkayiwa> djazayeri: is needs backporting
15:17:44 <dkayiwa> is=it
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15:20:53 <dkayiwa> so djazayeri should i still add it?
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17:11:48 <wyclif> djazayeri, dkayiwa do we still that dojo stuff on the encounter form?
17:11:52 <wyclif> need
17:12:04 <wyclif> i plan to remove it
17:12:22 <dkayiwa> i would second it
17:13:17 <djazayeri> wyclif: what dojo stuff?
17:13:31 <djazayeri> If there's dojo that can be replaced by jquery, do that.
17:16:04 <wyclif> i will
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17:59:10 <Suranga> james_regen, helllo...
17:59:20 <Suranga> james_regen, r u there ? :-)
18:00:31 <james_regen> hi Suranga i'm here
18:00:48 <Suranga> james_regen, afraid I dont have much to report back today
18:01:06 <Suranga> james_regen, I did up the wiki page with the algorithem
18:02:02 <Suranga> james_regen, and worked on the MIS scoring a bit... Right now im up to the part where I can generate pairwise column results
18:02:25 <Suranga> james_regen, and spent the rest of day running about getting ready for the flight ...
18:03:04 <james_regen> that sounds like good progress. are things making sense as far as the code? i'll have to defer questions about math until shaun gets back, probably
18:03:46 <Suranga> james_regen, I'm hunting up some math happy friends too
18:04:45 <Suranga> james_regen, so far I did not get hit by any problems in the code... things seem ok...
18:05:01 <james_regen> that's good. when are you travelling?
18:06:11 <Suranga> Sunday morning
18:06:18 <Suranga> will get there by nightfall...
18:06:28 <Suranga> I think Dr. Shaun will be there at Kigali...
18:09:24 <james_regen> i didn't know that. i know things might get busy before travelling, so it won't be a problem if it gets more difficult to find time to code tomorrow or Friday. i'll still be here to answer any questions, though
18:11:36 <james_regen> i'll be on holiday october 24th to 28th, though, and won't be responding to emails or IRC that week. i'll try to help as much as i can the next 2.5 weeks
18:12:47 <Suranga> james_regen, sure, no problem
18:13:01 <Suranga> james_regen, james_regen, Im hoping to get my classs etc. sketched out as soon as possible... (preferably before I leave)
18:13:23 <Suranga> james_regen, I will try pinging Dr. Shaun while you are away...
18:14:27 <james_regen> ok
18:16:42 <Suranga> james_regen, did you have a look at my wiki page ? In addition to the math, ive tried to explain how Im finding the matches....
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18:19:57 <james_regen> i've looked at it quickly. after the example data, it gives "Occurrences (John,male) = 5" i'm not seeing where the 5 came from
18:20:48 <james_regen> oh, maybe it's not supposed to be directly from the table.
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18:22:38 <Suranga> james_regen, you're right
18:22:56 <Suranga> james_regen, I gave those two values as an example to better explain my point
18:23:42 <Suranga> james_regen, Im not sure if 'my idea' is 'pretty stupid', 'stupid' or just 'mildly misguided' :-)
18:25:15 <james_regen> my guess is that we'll need to include the frequencies for (John, female) also
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18:26:49 <Suranga> james_regen, mmm
18:26:52 <james_regen> Suranga: i would think that (John,M)=5 and (John,F)=1 is different than just (John,M) = 4, and (John,M)=3, (John,F) = 1 is different from (John,M)=4, (John,F)=3
18:28:02 <Suranga> james_regen, sorry, didnt really understand you there, im afraid :-(
18:28:38 <james_regen> i would think the math would take frequencies of all combinations when calculating it's result. the wiki page makes it seem like we'll be reducing or simplifying the frequencies before we hand it over to MI
18:29:39 <Suranga> james_regen, ah, so u r meaning that we should not reject any data as 'noise' as I have done
18:30:15 <Suranga> basically, u mean that we must consider all possible frequency combinations ?
18:30:27 <james_regen> Suranga: yeah. i wouldn't want to do that without making sure that's what's needed, and i'm not that sure
18:31:45 <james_regen> Suranga: maybe. or at least, all the ones we observe. if it's noise, then MI will hopefully let us know, and hopefully give us a number of how noisy it is
18:32:48 <Suranga> james_regen, let me write up your idea, once its on paper, I gues it'll be easier to comtemplate on... :-)
18:34:07 <james_regen> Suranga: ok. and i'm also ignorant of the math and the details, so i might be mistaken, too.
18:38:06 <Suranga> james_regen, I will talk to Dr. Grannis once he returns..
18:38:29 <Suranga> james_regen, any idea when he is returning ?
18:40:36 <james_regen> Suranga: not sure. if he's going to kigali, that's next week, right? if so, then you might see him before i do. i'm sure he'll be more responsive to email next week, though
18:40:58 <Suranga> james_regen, Sorry, thats my mistake, looks like hes not comming
18:41:15 <Suranga> james_regen, he's not on the participants list https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/2011+Implementers+Meeting+Participants
18:41:15 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/9CUR> (at wiki.openmrs.org)
18:43:06 <james_regen> Suranga: hopefully he'll be back monday
18:45:05 <Suranga> james_regen, Dawn says Dr. Grannis will be at Kigali, so I'll be meeting him first :-)
18:46:41 <james_regen> great. he should be able to spend a lot of time talking about patient matching if you and he have the time
18:47:58 <Suranga> james_regen, I may give him a hard time with it... :-D
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