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<surangak> hmm djazayeri Helooo
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<surangak> r u really there ?
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<djazayeri> surangak: yes
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<djazayeri> sort of
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<djazayeri> mostly away from computer
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<djazayeri> what's up?
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<surangak> :-O working on a sunday night ?
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<surangak> sorry, just being curious ...
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<djazayeri> Packing
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<djazayeri> flying tomorrow morning
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<surangak> ohh,, right.. :D
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<surangak> so we will finally meet in Kigali...
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<surangak> Ill be there on the 9th :-)
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<djazayeri> cool!
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<surangak> ill be there Sunday evening...
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<djazayeri> oh, okay, well, ping me before that and I can tell you how to join up with the hackathon on monday
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<surangak> hackathon starts on the 10th right ?
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<surangak> great, will doo
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<djazayeri> Hackathon is Sunday and Monday
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<surangak> djazayeri, hmm.. we need to bring our own computers ?
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<surangak> :-)
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<djazayeri> If you have a laptop, bring it.
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<djazayeri> If not, don't. :-)
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<surangak> do u guys have spares ?
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<surangak> i dont really have one, was looking at renting, if possible
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<djazayeri> surangak: I don't know the answer to that
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<surangak> djazayeri, no problem, ill check it out...
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<djazayeri> Remind me next time you see me on IRC (I'll be in Rwanda) and I'll look into it.
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<surangak> djazayeri, sure, will do :-)
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<djazayeri> but better if you ask someone else, because I'll be unreliable from here on out.
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<surangak> djazayeri, pack mosquito repellent... Lots of foreigners who come to asian countries spend half their time swatting themselves :D
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<surangak> we're big on mosquitoes :P
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<djazayeri> thanks
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<jwild> I'm a university student, need to do a large project, wondering about opportunities to get involved. Who should I talk to?
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<surangak> jwild, you have come to the right place, and I know there are certainly many opportunuties...
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<surangak> jwild, but im not the right person to talk to, im afraid :-)
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<jwild> surangak, ok good, no problem
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<jwild> surangak, EDT/GMT -4
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<jwild> night owl
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<surangak> jwild, is that in europe ?
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<jwild> surangak, no, NYC, US
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<rafa> dkayiwa: wluyima: hey guys
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<dkayiwa> hi
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<rafa> dkayiwa: are you a scrum leader today?
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<dkayiwa> lolllll :)
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<wluyima> hey
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<dkayiwa> so rafa do you wanna start?
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<rafa> dkayiwa: sorry I meant the Scrum Master :D
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<rafa> sure
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<dkayiwa> lollllllllll
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<rafa> *** Rafal ***
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<rafa> Today:
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<rafa> * Committed TRUNK-2507: Tags use arbitrary build number
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<rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2507
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<rafa> * Investigated on TRUNK-50: Obs not voided when updated via saving an Encounter
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<rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-50 (not trivial, decided to abandon it for now)
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<rafa> * Started with TRUNK-2696: UI improvements for Visits
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<rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2696
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<rafa> Tomorrow:
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<rafa> * Complete TRUNK-2696 / TRUNK-2710: Create Encounters by Visit portlet
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<rafa> https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2710
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<rafa> No blockers.
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<dkayiwa> whats the difference rafa :)
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<dkayiwa> rafa: what makes trunk-50 non trivial
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<rafa> dkayiwa: the problem is we need to determine if the item was updated
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<wluyima> rafa, ia gree TRUNK-50 is not trivial
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<rafa> dkayiwa: we could do it either by examining all fields or asking Hibernate for help
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<dkayiwa> should we bump it to 1.10
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<rafa> dkayiwa: it does dirty flush already
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<dkayiwa> ok
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<rafa> dkayiwa: probabaly it's better to bump it
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<dkayiwa> infact i have just remembered i once also looked into it :)
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<rafa> dkayiwa: or wait and see if we have extra time for that
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<dkayiwa> ok
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<wluyima> rafa, a quick solution i have done in the past is to clone the object on save, then discard the changes and then compare fields
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<dkayiwa> oh i see
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<wluyima> but it is hacky
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<dkayiwa> :)
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<wluyima> trust me, hibernate will give you trouble
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<wluyima> there are many times i havetried to use calls to ignore the cache and it still looks in the cache
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<dkayiwa> oh
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<wluyima> can i go next?
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<dkayiwa> sturbon cache looking
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<dkayiwa> yes
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<wluyima> friday:
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<wluyima> - code review for TRUNK-2141
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<wluyima> - TRUNK-2702 - The new search widgets spinner runs forever when input box gets cleared
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<wluyima> - Fixed validators for providers, reference terms and map types to include retired rows
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<wluyima> - Made Follow up to changes as per review comments for - TRUNK-412
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<wluyima> - Made changes to avoid duplicate identifiers used by retired providers - TRUNK-2686
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<wluyima> - Fixing bug in DWRConceptService that wa breaking the serach widgets
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<wluyima> today:
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<wluyima> - TRUNK-2447 - Add Show Verbose to the new jquery search widgets
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<wluyima> - Other sprint tickets
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<dkayiwa> ok
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<rafa> wluyima: you're good at multi-threading :D 5 tickets in progress
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<dkayiwa> :D
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<wluyima> apparently 3 of them require no work
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<dkayiwa> oh why?
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<wluyima> i have investigated about them
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<wluyima> actually 2 of them
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<wluyima> the third one i'm waiting for more info from the reporter
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<wluyima> Secret Question screen expects User to have a Person is not a problem in versions1.7+
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<dkayiwa> oh
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<wluyima> TRUNK-2271 is already done
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<wluyima> so probably i should release it
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<wluyima> and close it
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<wluyima> or you the release manager can do that
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<dkayiwa> you can help me :)
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<wluyima> ok, he he he
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<dkayiwa> :)
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: was roger using a lower version?
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<dkayiwa> for secret question
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<dkayiwa> am trying to open the ticket but its taking long
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<wluyima> i think so
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<wluyima> because when i tested the page, it works fine for me
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<dkayiwa> and after releasing 1.9 we shall not support 1.6. correct?
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<dkayiwa> wluyima:
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: or am i wrong?
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<wluyima> yes
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: yes am wrong? :)
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<wluyima> you are right
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<dkayiwa> oh i see :D
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: did you say 2271 is already done?
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<wluyima> if you look at the description
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<wluyima> the first step was done,
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: of asking for opinions?
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<wluyima> when i asked about adding the second method, i got no opinion
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<wluyima> accept darius
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<wluyima> who thought we didnt have to
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<dkayiwa> ok
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: so we only go with the first method and not the second one?
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<wluyima> yes
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: i think you can then close it
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<wluyima> probably i should ping devs one more time
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<wluyima> i.e before i close it
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<dkayiwa> may be (some sort of sanity check) :)
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: and tell them you are going to close it
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<dkayiwa> unless someone responds
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<wluyima> ok
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: which ticket are you waiting for user feedback on?
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: the third one i'm waiting for more info from the reporter
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<dkayiwa> wluyima: which ticket are you waiting for more info from the reporter?
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<dkayiwa> ok looks like we lost wyclif
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<dkayiwa> my turn now
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<dkayiwa> Spent most of today morning in the bank and also doing some shopping. So will be working late tonight :)
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<dkayiwa> Doing some code reviews and testing of some simple tickets in Post Commit state that i want to close.
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<dkayiwa> No Blockers
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<wluyima> ok
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<dkayiwa> by the way wluyima could you do me a favour and ask dawn for my openmrs jacket?
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<wluyima> okay
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<dkayiwa> thanks!!! :)
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<wluyima> do u mean i ask her to come with it to kigalie
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<dkayiwa> no
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<dkayiwa> she will forget :)
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<wluyima> hmm.. what do u mean?
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<dkayiwa> i would love her give it to you
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<wluyima> or u mean i come tith it
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<wluyima> ok
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<dkayiwa> yes
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<wluyima> i will
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<dkayiwa> she seems too busy
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<dkayiwa> and i do not wanna risk
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<wluyima> he he he
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<dkayiwa> :)
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<dkayiwa> thanks
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<wluyima> dkayiwa, apparently she already gave it to win
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<wluyima> so he will bring it to kigali
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<wluyima> win is in eldoret
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<dkayiwa> ok thanks
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<Suranga> hello james_regen1
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<Suranga> james_regen1, nice to meet you !
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<james_regen1> hi
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<james_regen1> i'm here Suranga, and i can chat
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<Suranga> helloo
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<Suranga> thanks for comming online :-)
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<Suranga> james_regen1, did you have a chance to look at my e mail ?
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<Suranga> read it in detail, i mean ?
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<james_regen1> i think so. the one with suggestions about when to analyze the data?
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<Suranga> james_regen1, yeps
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<Suranga> james_regen1, I think Im confideint with the code
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<Suranga> james_regen1, where to start, and how to write the algorithem will be my major worries :-)
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<Suranga> james_regen1, have you used the mutual information concept earlier ?
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<james_regen1> no, this is a brand new analysis that will be added. i think currently shaun uses a package in R to do this
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<Suranga> ohh, right..
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<james_regen1> or he has a script to do it. i'm not too sure we're just getting started with this part
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<Suranga> james_regen1, I was thinkng, to get things rolling, I should go ahaead and impliment mutual information score for at least one scenario
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<Suranga> that will show us what we're doing wrong, and how we can move ahead I guess
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<Suranga> I was thinking of doing something like the 'closed form' system you had introuduced, to calculate the mutual info scores for a set of user provided data ?
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<james_regen1> one option couuld be just to add a button on the analysis panel to do this. it won't be as user friendly, but it could fire off the mutual information code
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<Suranga> james_regen1, as a very first step, right ?
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<Suranga> james_regen1, yep, you're right I guess, we can do fancy stuff after we get this one working...
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<james_regen1> i'm not sure i follow. do you mean how we get the frequency information for the values?
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<Suranga> its like this, as I understood, there are several ways to cauculate U-values
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<Suranga> one is to generate random 100,000 values, and the other is to use the closed form system, isnt it ?
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<Suranga> I was thinking, generating 'meaningful' data that will help us callculate mutual Info is going to be very hard,
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<Suranga> so as a first step, we could create a nice data set that will 'match' our needs nicely
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<james_regen1> i think a more accurate way to say it would be to randomly sample 100,000 pairs of records to measure the agreement rate, or use the closed form analysis. EM (expectation maximisation) can also calculate u-values, though it's not as accurate
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<Suranga> james_regen1, is the closed form system, we are using only the existing data (already available in the data source) to calculate the u-values isnt it ?
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<Suranga> ( very sorry if that was a dumb question )
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<james_regen1> no, it's not a dumb question. there are several different things going on
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<james_regen1> yes, the closed form analysis uses all the values in the dataset. i think i should explain some of the other details about what the program does, to make sure terms are understood
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<Suranga> james_regen1, that'll be great ! :-)
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<james_regen1> information about a datasource is useful, so the program can do things like analyze frequency of values, or entropy of different fields. these all describe one datasource, like how much information is within a set of records. the matching algorithm used to determine whether two records are the same person, though, functions on pairs of records
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<james_regen1> m and u values only apply when you're talking about pairs. you're looking at agreement rates for, as an example, of gender between two different records.
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<james_regen1> so some analysis, like random sampling for u-values, and EM, require a set of pairs to work with
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<Suranga> james_regen1, m and U values consider the same columns of two tables ( data sets)
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<james_regen1> analyzing a dataset can help you determine how to setup your pairs, which will determine the m and u values, which will be used when calculating the specific score for how similar a given pair of records are
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<james_regen1> yeah. m is the agreement rate between true matches, and u is the agreement rate between false matches. gender is a good example, or month of year, to think about
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<Suranga> james_regen1, mm.. u mean I will need the M and U pairs to calculate the mutual information score ?
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<Suranga> james_regen1, those values are not in the eqation, are they ?
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<james_regen1> no, i don't think you'll need them
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<r0bby> h
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<r0bby> er sry
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<Suranga> james_regen1, in my case, I will need to consider similarities between two columns, as opposed to the same column of two databases right ? :-)
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<james_regen1> i think so. if i'm not getting confused . . . shaun wants to do new work in both areas, but i think mutual information is the one within just one dataset, looking between different fields
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<Suranga> james_regen1, u mean that you want to calculate MI considering only data rom one datasource, while Dr. Shaun wants to calculate MI using both datasources, am I right ?
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<Suranga> james_regen1, its great to know that you are also familiar with MI stuff...
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<james_regen1> the analysis with two datasources is different from MI. i think shaun wants to model agreement of multiple fields, and instead of having just two states of agree and disagree, introduce more states to model the agreement and disagreement of the two records
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<Suranga> james_regen1, Dr. Shaun mentioned that to me too... but he said I should calculate MI as an initial step
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<Suranga> to see where we were going :-)
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<james_regen1> and i will have to admit to not being familiar with MI, also. i know why it's important, and how the program works, and the reasoning behind the matching algorithm, but my math skills aren't enough that i'm comfortable with the equations
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<james_regen1> oh, ok. i didn't know he had connected the two of them for you
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<Suranga> james_regen1, you're bad with math too ? same here...
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<james_regen1> i won't tell shaun if you won't :)
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<Suranga> james_regen1, :-)
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<Suranga> I'll get michael to erase the logs :-D
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<Suranga> james_regen1, Im about to contact some of my math happy friends to see if I got the equations right :-)
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<james_regen1> i have some suggestions on where to look in the code to get started
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<Suranga> james_regen1, Im all ears... :-)
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<james_regen1> i think we'll need to get the frequencies of the values for the data, right? there should be examples of that already
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, sorry, got disconneced back there...
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<james_regen1> org.regenstrief.linkage.analysis.FrequencyAnalyzer, and how it's used in the program, should be informative
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, in this case, we would have to consider the frequency of several different values, wont we ?
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<Suranga_> for example frequency(x) + frequency(y) + frequency(z)
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<james_regen1> yeah. that class should keep track of frequency values for all the different fields
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, Oh I see
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<Suranga_> in that case I can definitely re use this :-)
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<james_regen1> in the finishAnalysis() method, instead of it being simple, that would be where you can iterate over the frequencies and do the math, since that signifies the end of the stream of Records
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, the java code stuff will b eaasy.. but the 'Math' will be hard :-)
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<james_regen1> at this point, i'm not sure if or what numbers we're going to store, but printing the results will at least give us numbers to check
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, yep, I agree
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<Suranga_> that will be the best way to go
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, do you know any mutual friends with good math skills ? :-)
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<james_regen1> shaun might be willing to answer questions. i think he's on vacation this week, though
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, ah, so thats why he hasnt replied to the e mail :-)
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, will I meet you at Kigali ?
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<james_regen1> no, i won't be there, sorry
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<Suranga_> oh
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, do you prefer skype or IRC ?
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<Suranga_> (sorry, forgot to ask that earlier)
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<james_regen1> i don't have a skype ID. i can sign on IRC when i'm at work. unless i'm at a meeting, at lunch, or unusually unobservant, i should be responsive here
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, thats great...
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<Suranga_> i will be going over what you said, and tomorrow I should have some sort of plan on what my code will look like
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, want to get moving on this as soon as possible...
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<james_regen1> ok. feel free to ask questions. and if you find anything odd about other parts of the code, feel free to ask about that, also. i'd like to think i had good reasons for what i've done prevously, but i might have been mistaken, and i'd be happy for any ideas on how to improve things
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, you've been a great help with this
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<Suranga_> I will follow up on what you said, that way we can have some sort of result to show Dr. Grannis :-)
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<james_regen1> great. good luck
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, will u be around tomorrow too ? :-)
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<james_regen1> i'm taking my afternoon off, but i'll be here in the morning. so 7 to 11 EDT. i'm not sure what timezone you are in
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, i estimate My 6 pm is your 9 am :-)
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, sont worry about it, Ill catch you when you're available :-)
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<Suranga_> and Ill do my best not to bother you too much...
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<james_regen1> it's no problem. working with someone who's communicative and responsive is a lot better than someone who communicates infrequently
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<james_regen1> the more questions you ask and the more you know and understand, the easier this will be for me, too
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<Suranga_> james_regen1, I will give this my very best.. I have my own reasons to make sure that this works out really well :-)
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<jwild> downeym, hello and thanks
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<downeym> Hi jwild_ and welcome to the #openmrs IRC channel.
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<downeym> :D
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<downeym> Rough day for staying connected.
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<jwild_> :D
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<downeym> Suranga_: https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/2011+Implementers+Meeting+Participants
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/9CUR> (at wiki.openmrs.org)
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<downeym> Suranga_: it doesn't look like it, but i think the list is still changing
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<Suranga_> downeym, I asked becoz he had mailed saying 'im in'
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<Suranga_> downeym, so I thought I could team up with him :P
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<chughgaurav> downeym: ok , :)
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<Suranga> chughgaurav, mmm jss emr ?
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<Suranga> chughgaurav, sorry, im not sure what thet means :-(
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<chughgaurav> suranga: u may find it interesting , https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/projects/Raxa+JSS+EMR
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<Suranga> chughgaurav, I was just googling it :D
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<chughgaurav> suranga: :)
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