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<surangak> hi djazayeri r u really here ?
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<djazayeri> I am here now surangak
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<djazayeri> morristic: I'm here now too. :-)
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<surangak> hi djazayeri :)
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<surangak> djazayeri, I was wondering, when are u planning to start on our ticket
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<djazayeri> remind me which one
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<djazayeri> there's one you commented on last week, right?
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<surangak> djazayeri, sorry, i meant https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2588
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<surangak> djazayeri, no probs, I was just wondering....
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<surangak> djazayeri, I know, dont worry
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<surangak> djazayeri, If we can agree on the plan, the rest of the work will be a breeeze :-)
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<djazayeri> It should definitely happen in the next 6 weeks.
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<surangak> djazayeri, I'll be around, but im generally not on your exact time zone :-D
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<djazayeri> okay, well, we'll warn you what week it'll be
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<surangak> djazayeri, i think that will be very late at night in Sri lanka
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<surangak> djazayeri, but i might get disconnected once in a while :-(
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<surangak> djazayeri, Ill do my very best to stay late at office on design call day :P
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<surangak> djazayeri, but dont tell anyone :D
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: can an encounter have a null location?
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<bwolfe> dkayiwa ^^
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<bwolfe> (or the hbm mapping)
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<dkayiwa> ok :)
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<bwolfe> never doubt me dkayiwa!
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<surangak> bwolfe, I have learnt that lesson very well :D
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: hahahahaha. i have learnt the hard way :)
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<bwolfe> why're you askinf dkayiwa?
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<bwolfe> surangak, its a curse :-p
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<bwolfe> I live and breath openmrs...and have for 6 years
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: why am i asking?
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: i asked because i all along thought encounter location can never be null
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: never knew that it was relaxed recently
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<dkayiwa> surangak: just pray for God to give him life :)
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: because every time i passed in null from the xforms module i got into trouble :)
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<bwolfe> dkayiwa, heh, just because its allowed doesn't mean there aren't other places that demand it :-p
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<OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: New Changeset: OpenMRS (trunk): "Assign encounters to existing visits but don't create new visits" implementation of EncounterVisitHandler - TRUNK-2610 <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OMRStrunk/~3/YBI7yLQutcA/OpenMRS> || New Changeset: OpenMRS (trunk): Adding util method for getting first minute of the day <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OMRStrunk/~3/eigjCYACty4/OpenMRS> || New Changeset: OpenMRS (trunk): Add an includeInactive boolean parameter to VisitService.getVisits method - TRUNK-2626 <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OMRStrunk/~3/rluLAYLYDz8/OpenMRS>
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<r-friedman> djazayeri: good morning
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<r-friedman> djazayeri: openmrs university is where you learn how long things take the first time you do them
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<bwolfe> r-friedman, I don't think djazayeri is awake yet
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<r-friedman> bwolfe: yeah, i meant to ask him if he was at the end of an all nighter or the start of a new day
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<downeym> Implementers Meeting happening now: https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/2011-09-01+Implementers+Forum
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/98a_> (at wiki.openmrs.org)
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<r-friedman> bwolfe: that's now
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<djazayeri> r-friedman: I'm awake now. :-)
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<cptplastic> In the UnitedStates whats the laws on HL7 or HIPPA
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<cptplastic> I am acually a member of HL7 International
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<cptplastic> I can help and look I just dident know if anyone took the time to validate that
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<cptplastic> Its a governed law federal acually that says all medical fields will use data in this mannor
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<cptplastic> so that way my hospital in Washington can use your records from Asia and visa versa
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<bwolfe> this is part of the obama rebate for health systems? That they must understand hl7 ?
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<cptplastic> yep
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<cptplastic> And its a pain in my butt
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<bwolfe> if only it was that easy to transfer records. :-)
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<cptplastic> i know but the fact that you guys are developing the way you are it should be easy
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<cptplastic> and whats funny is they charge you for the rules
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<cptplastic> There is currently 5 standards
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<cptplastic> Submission of lab results to public health agencies
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<cptplastic> Patient Summaries
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<cptplastic> and messaging
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<cptplastic> it covers everything from Patiant Demographics to Patient Care and Prob oriented records
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<cptplastic> I know that every hospital in Oklahoma has to follow this HL7 standard
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<cptplastic> if somehow we could stamp HL7 compliant on this would mean all the difference
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<cptplastic> Because this will not bill a insurance company directly you dont have to worry about that
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<OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: docpaul was last seen in #openmrs 8 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <docpaul> busy busy developers. :)
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<cptplastic> you are right
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<docpaul> :D
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<bwolfe> welcome back docpaul
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<docpaul> good to be back. :)
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<bwolfe> you've been missed
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<docpaul> i created this channel. :)
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<docpaul> janet: we must talk!
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<bwolfe> jriley ^^
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<docpaul> janet: do you relate with INSTEDD at all?
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<jriley> docpaul - Ok! Can we talk after the meeting? I'm looking at too many screens
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<docpaul> shore
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<jriley> Thanks!
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<docpaul> cool, is that kimando from Nairobi? :)
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<bwolfe> docpaul, it tis
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<docpaul> hi cptplastic : what is your first name? :)
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<cptplastic> Jason
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<docpaul> hi jason, what brings you to openers land? :)
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<docpaul> er, openmrs...
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<docpaul> damn osx lion spell check
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<cptplastic> Love the program, I am a programmer for the goverment
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<docpaul> we are very happy to have you!
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<cptplastic> I was looking into the HL7 stuff
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<docpaul> in what way?
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<cptplastic> seeing if I can pass this off as HL7 compliant
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<docpaul> sorry, pass what off? :)
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<cptplastic> If this was used in a office to store records I was looking into the standrds of the data and moving it around.
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<kimando> @docpaul: we only have one Kimando in Kenya..
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<docpaul> any question I can answer for you? :)
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<docpaul> hey kimando!
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<kimando> am cool
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<bwolfe> docpaul, this == openmrs
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<cptplastic> yes
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<cptplastic> OKC
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<cptplastic> Thats Olklahoma City
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<cptplastic> :0
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<docpaul> openmrs uses HL7 in quite a few ways, but it depends on what "compliance" is⦠does it handle all message types? nope
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<docpaul> no need for that in most settings that we work within
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<cptplastic> true
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<docpaul> we're pushing it as it is using it in the settings that we do
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<docpaul> but we're regenstrief geeks, and so that's how we roll
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<cptplastic> lol
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<cptplastic> what about a WebService for soap requests
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<OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "hl7" --- Read about HL7 at https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/docs/HL7
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<docpaul> have you seen the web services module?
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<cptplastic> no but I will
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<cptplastic> I found this today and im excited
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<cptplastic> I write Air navigation software and have doctor pals that this is a godsend
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<cptplastic> Ill be adding this to Eclipse world very soon
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<cptplastic> well
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<cptplastic> someone has my name
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<cptplastic> jjohnson
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<jriley> docpaul , yes, I met the INSTEDD folks in Phnom Penh. An impressive bunch!
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<jriley> docpaul, are you Paul Biondich? If so, have you gotten the feedback you need about documentation?
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<r-friedman> cptplastic: hi i am in govt health it
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<r-friedman> i spent last week at a conference with all the people implementing the office of national coordinator policies
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<r-friedman> health information exchanges, beacon program participants
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<r-friedman> spent yesterday pm watching meetings of clinical lab advisory committee re lab data reporting
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<r-friedman> anything i can help you with in navigating this mess?
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<bwolfe> jriley, paul got kicked. yes, he is biondich
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<cptplastic> SWEET
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<cptplastic> r-friedman:
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<r-friedman> yep
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<cptplastic> is the standards the same for like massage and chiropractics <---SP?
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<r-friedman> yum, a massage message
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<r-friedman> electronically order me some
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<cptplastic> anything that reports to insurance should follow HL7 right
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<jriley> bwolfe, I opened https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/TRUNK-2623 and submitted a patch. I'm unable to set anything to "request code review" , so, this is me manually requesting a code review.
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<r-friedman> i guess they'd have to come up with an implementation guide
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<r-friedman> certainly if there is billing, there have to be cpt codes
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<r-friedman> and cpt codes i think are moving to snomed
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<cptplastic> so you can bill from this
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<r-friedman> "this"
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<cptplastic> OpenMRS
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<cptplastic> I think I got it now
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<r-friedman> at the moment, I believe we are only supporting ORU type messages, with patient, obs group, obs, order messages
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<cptplastic> yes I just seen that in the documents
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<r-friedman> segmengts i mean at end
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<cptplastic> LRN2 RM
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<cptplastic> i know
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<r-friedman> take a look at www.cdc.gov/phiconference -- i believe the conference sessions are not yet up but coming soon
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<cptplastic> nice
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<r-friedman> also look up Laboratory Interoperability Coalition and wiki.siframework.org
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<r-friedman> it's important to take the meaningful use guidelines literally
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<r-friedman> so if they say you have to be able to exchange lab results, that's it
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<r-friedman> no orders
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<cptplastic> true
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<r-friedman> i think they say ambulatory care, tests with pos/neg or numeric results
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<r-friedman> which means no drug resistance or bug-growing tests
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<cptplastic> lol
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<r-friedman> they think they are starting small, but by using HL7 2.5 as their standard, they are pushing everyone up a rev or so
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<r-friedman> don't know what their position is on titer results
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<r-friedman> is this kind of chat at all useful to you? what's really on your mind?
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<cptplastic> yes
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<cptplastic> because ill be asked this
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<cptplastic> at some point
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<cptplastic> so will they
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<cptplastic> its just a matter of time
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<r-friedman> you can reach me at
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<cptplastic> ill shoot you my contact email
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<r-friedman> great
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<cptplastic> sent
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<r-friedman> super, feel free to write anytime, I'll probably refer you on but I'm happy to do that
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<cptplastic> I have not put this on the chopping block yet but I will when i get some time
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<r-friedman> cptplastic: so i am also interested in aviation, worked at faa
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<cptplastic> I write AIRNAV software
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<cptplastic> its cool
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<cptplastic> I can make one mean flight sim
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<r-friedman> is there a site?
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<cptplastic> i never tried getting to it outside
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<r-friedman> I also worked on the 737 simulator many years ago
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<cptplastic> its not in production YET
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<cptplastic> we are getting close
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<r-friedman> nothing like a cockpit on a motion base with a video display as an output device!!!
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<cptplastic> this acually writed the flight procedures
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<cptplastic> writes
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<r-friedman> cool
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<cptplastic> and its modual based so you can use that info to fly real time
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<cptplastic> also counts as flight time
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<r-friedman> don't airlines pay what's their name, gessender, big money for that?
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<r-friedman> some g name
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<cptplastic> everything is contracted in the gov you know that
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<r-friedman> me too, i actually work for northrop grumman
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<cptplastic> i work for TetraTech
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<cptplastic> small world
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<cptplastic> LOL
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<r-friedman> multidimensional world, many intersections :-)
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<r-friedman> glad we ran into each other
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<cptplastic> same
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<docpaul> hello. :)
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<docpaul> jriley: are you there? :)
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<jriley> docpaul, yes I am
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<docpaul> beautiful⦠:) do you know the people at INSTEDD?
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<jriley> Yes, I met the Phnom Penh team. They're an impressive bunch
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<docpaul> they are making a fairly large commitment to openmrs in cambodia, working with the ministry of health.
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<docpaul> can i introduce you to their leader?
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<docpaul> i work closely with him on a number of projects
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<jriley> I met the URC folks on the same trip. We had a little OpenMRS implementer summit in the URC conference room
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<docpaul> he will want to know of your work
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<jriley> Certainly, I'd appreciate it
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<docpaul> his name is dennis israelski
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<docpaul> they might even be able to get you some dedicated help
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<docpaul> so how did you get involved in cambodia?
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<docpaul> what's your email btw?
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<jriley> I looked for programming volunteer opportunities on idealist.org .
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<jriley> Help would be great. I'm an army of one. :)
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<docpaul> hmm
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<jriley> And I found the Angkor Hospital for Children posting
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<docpaul> how cool
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<docpaul> have you met up with the PIH team there in boston?
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<jriley> It was very cool. :) I'm glad I did it
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<jriley> Yes, they gave me some good pointers
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<docpaul> nice
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<jriley> Darius introduced us
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<docpaul> you said you're at boston children's?
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<docpaul> i'm a pediatrician and know the guys there
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<jriley> No, I'm a free range chicken
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<docpaul> hehe
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<docpaul> were you affiliated at some point with them?
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<jriley> unemployed, making good use of the time
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<jriley> No. I think I know someone on one of their projects, but I haven't worked with them
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<docpaul> good for you! better than watching US tv
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<jriley> A friend at Boston Childrens was working on the Google flu-finder
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<jriley> Amen! Though I confess I watched a shameful amount of So You Think You Can Dance in Cambodia
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<docpaul> haha
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<jriley> Ah! Have you gotten the feedback you needed on documentation?
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<docpaul> i intend to write you back on the implementer's list
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<mccallumg> docpaul: I'm going to look at your documentation page. I haven't yet. But I have a pretty strong opinion about what I like when I'm implementing a clinical application.
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<docpaul> have that post starred, but just haven't had the cycles (been travelling)
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<docpaul> thanks glen!
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<docpaul> loved elliott's interview btw!
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<docpaul> i really enjoy what you're doing with that
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<jriley> Are those the YouTube videos?
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<docpaul> yes
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<docpaul> glen did a new one that hasn't been released yes
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<docpaul> er, yet
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<docpaul> i think it's ready to go
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<jriley> ANd Elliott is the ninja behind the Community sites?
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<mccallumg> yes. now that august is over I can take a few hours to breath and get it up on youtube and write blog post for it.
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<docpaul> one of the ninjas, yes
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<docpaul> but he's special because he's *16*
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<docpaul> and building LDAP servers
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<jriley> Yeah, that's why I said Ninja
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<docpaul> i consider downeym a ninja as well
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<docpaul> commensurate with his age. :D
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<jriley> I was thinking of him more like Shifu in Kung-Fu Panda
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<downeym> i guess i *did* wear black yesterday
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<docpaul> email sent janet!
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<dkayiwa> hi bwolfe
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<docpaul> daniel! :)
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<dkayiwa> docpaul: nice to see you here :D
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<docpaul> funny about spider eh? :)
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<dkayiwa> too too too funy :D
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<docpaul> you see, you were right all along
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<dkayiwa> hahahah!!! I was not just right. I was the reality :)
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<docpaul> :)
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<docpaul> i wonder how much $ they wasted getting to that place
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<dkayiwa> it must have been too too much!!!
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<docpaul> that's sad
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<dkayiwa> hoping that will be a lesson to many others!!!
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<docpaul> so you think makerere would be interested in working with them on this?
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<dkayiwa> too too much
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<dkayiwa> they had wanted it in the first place
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<dkayiwa> but were just overpowered
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<docpaul> i wonder if they influenced it then
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<dkayiwa> from what i know, they failed to convince them
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<dkayiwa> i think they must have eventually seen themselves heading no where
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<docpaul> they had to learn the hard way how much work it is to get where we are now?
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<dkayiwa> too too too much
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<docpaul> 7 years is a lot of collective work
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<docpaul> :)
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<dkayiwa> one would be crazy not to take advantage of that :)
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<docpaul> i would agree, but i am biased. :)
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<dkayiwa> lolll :D
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<dkayiwa> in addition to that, there is a lot we are building for the future
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<dkayiwa> as a community
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<dkayiwa> so they would not only lose what is already in place, but also what is to come :)
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<docpaul> no question. i think we're doing a better job of helping ppl understand this
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<dkayiwa> sure
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<docpaul> they are more trusting of our motives now
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<dkayiwa> they better be :)
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<docpaul> have you ever heard of a book called the "innovator's dilemma"?
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<dkayiwa> no
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<dkayiwa> do you have it?
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<docpaul> http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Dilemma-Revolutionary-Business-Essentials/dp/0060521996
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/98ik> (at www.amazon.com)
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<docpaul> it taught me a lot
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<dkayiwa> oh thanks
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<dkayiwa> hahahahaha
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<dkayiwa> atlease you learnt the easier way :)
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<docpaul> What do the Honda Supercub, Intel's 8088 processor, and hydraulic excavators have in common? They are all examples of disruptive technologies that helped to redefine the competitive landscape of their respective markets. These products did not come about as the result of successful companies carrying out sound business practices in established markets. In The Innovator's Dilemma, author Clayton M. Christensen shows how these and other products cut
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<docpaul> the low end of the marketplace and eventually evolved to displace high-end competitors and their reigning technologies.
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<docpaul> :)
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<dkayiwa> very interesting :)
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<mccallumg> second time in 2 days I've seen the name Clayton M Christensen. weird.
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<docpaul> he's legit glwn
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<docpaul> er, glen
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<docpaul> go get that book
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<docpaul> this book and the "wisdom of crowds" are two seminal books for me at least
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<downeym> much better is http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Solution-Creating-Sustaining-Successful/dp/1578518520
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/98is> (at www.amazon.com)
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<mccallumg> downeym: no affiliate link?
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<downeym> ha, no
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<docpaul> i gotta get back to the grind. :(
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<docpaul> was refreshing to come back and say hi
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<mccallumg> bye docpaul
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<jriley> nice to meet you
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<docpaul> janet: deeply appreciate you!
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<docpaul> glen: you as well
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<jriley> Thank you!
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<docpaul> see y'all later
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<jriley> downeym, does the Solution recap the content of Dilemma?
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<jriley> Is it more efficient to start with the answer?
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<downeym> jriley: i'd read both :)
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<Suranga_> hi guys
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<jriley> Hmm, he's written The Innovator's Prescription: A Disruptive Solution for Health Care as well
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<Suranga_> small question
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<Suranga_> do we support DICOM standard images ?
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<mccallumg> I https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/docs/Radiology+Module
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/98j3> (at wiki.openmrs.org)
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<mccallumg> I haven't seen a datatype for DICOM in openmrs yet. but I may be wrong.
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<Suranga_> wow, we have a module for that as well ?
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<Suranga_> hmm.. there goes another good idea. already implemented by an old Gsoc student :-)
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<Suranga_> no, i was getting an idea regarding DICOM imaging and OpenMRS
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<Suranga_> bwolfe, seems some one has alredy done it
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<Suranga_> bwolfe, you guys think of everything :D
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<dkayiwa> bwolfe: not now :)
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<djazayeri> downeym: by the way, I thought I'd mention that in crucible, when creating a code review, the ajax autocomplete widget for saying which user you want to add to the review is painfully slow
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<djazayeri> not sure if it's a network issue or (more likely) has something to do with us linking users via crowd
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<bwolfe> I thought it was just me
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<djazayeri> wyclif: hi
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<djazayeri> bwolfe, downeym: for me it takes 15+ seconds after I type "bwolfe" for it to give me any search results.
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<wyclif> hi djazayeri
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<bwolfe> djazayeri, same
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<wyclif> same here
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<djazayeri> wyclif: so, the consensus on the email thread is that the on-the-fly-term-creation feature is not that important.
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<bwolfe> but when you're in a world with 50KBps, you just assume its your own fault. :-)
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<wyclif> djazayeri, i have already added the one where there a button(if you have the privilege) to add a new term from a pop, this is not complex at all
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<wyclif> i have a working copy of it
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<djazayeri> okay
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<djazayeri> so, what remains to be done?
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<wyclif> i can it is done
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<wyclif> say
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<wyclif> and that will be the end of the mappings
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<bwolfe> it is done?
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<downeym> djazayeri: this is probably due to the version mismatch of fisheye's embedded crowd client and the version running on the server. unfortunately, we can't upgrade crowd at the moment because the current released version has a fatal bug preventing logins. :)
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<djazayeri> preventing logins = bad
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<djazayeri> Okay, I just wanted to complain about it, so that it if was a trivial issue you could just go fix it.
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<djazayeri> If there's nothing to be done, I'll survive.
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<downeym> djazayeri: once they get a fix out i think it will be resolved.
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<djazayeri> ok
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<djazayeri> bwolfe: I notice that you made a change to VisitDAO.getVisits to support treating visits with a stopDatetime in the future as being active.
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<djazayeri> I guess we recently decided that when we auto-create visits, we'll set their stopDatetime to be end-of-day-today?
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<djazayeri> So that's necessary?
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<bwolfe> that was my understanding
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<djazayeri> Okay, makes sense.
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<bwolfe> if the current time is between the start and end time, doesn't that mean the visit is ongoing ?
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<djazayeri> well, in my original conceptual model, we wouldn't allow end time in the future.
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<djazayeri> I wonder if there are other places that code needs to be changed as a result?
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<djazayeri> bwolfe: looking at the commit for the EncounterVisitHandler interface
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<djazayeri> I see in your javadoc you say that the framework will take care of persisting newly-instantiated visits...
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<djazayeri> I thought we'd decided the opposite.
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<djazayeri> hmm, the design pages says "The visit returned does not have be persisted by the handler" so I guess you did it as designed.
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<djazayeri> never mind.
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<djazayeri> wyclif: so, is your work on the concept mapping ticket done?
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<wyclif> yes
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<djazayeri> Okay, I'll wait for your commit then.
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<djazayeri> (just to code review, not waiting for any specific reason.)
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<wyclif> it should be, i want to create a review so that i can fix any suggestions before end of tomorrow
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<wyclif> and that weould be it
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<djazayeri> Yes, definitely don't want this ticket lasting past this sprint.
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<wyclif> have u checked out the branch?
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<djazayeri> It's in a branch?
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<bwolfe> djazayeri, if you're concerned about looking for places where that change effects things in visits, make a ticekt for it to be investigated so we don't forget to do that before a release
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<wyclif> or you mean merging it into trunk
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<djazayeri> wyclif: I forgot this was in a branch.
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<djazayeri> Any chance we can get that merged this week?
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<wyclif> bwolfe, djazayeri any more fixes on this, i want them to done agianst trunk when i merge it
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<djazayeri> i.e. tomorrow?
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<wyclif> that is my goal
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<djazayeri> bwolfe: I'm going to peek at code, and maybe create a ticket.
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<djazayeri> wyclif: great
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<wyclif> and that is why i want to cretate the review today
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<wyclif> to give devs alteast 12-24 hrs to review it
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<wyclif> i can also fix more things before the next sorint
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<wyclif> i plan to add more snapshots to the ticket for the UIs
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<wyclif> so am working on all this today
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<djazayeri> great
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<downeym> djazayeri: http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/
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<morristic> Hello, is anyone around?
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<djazayeri> yes
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<morristic> hello there! Could I ask you a quick HTML Forms question?
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<djazayeri> sure
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<morristic> What is the best way to allow prescribers to add additional <obsgroup> sections
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<morristic> for instance, I have a signs and symptoms obsgroup
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<morristic> that I would like the user to be able to continue to add more of depending on how many symptoms and signs the patient has
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<morristic> We are prepared to do this using jquery or ajax if we must, but I thought that there may already be a solution
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<djazayeri> You want it to repeat an arbitrary number of times, with an "add another" button?
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<morristic> exactly
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<morristic> and also a remove button
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<morristic> in case they make a mistake
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<djazayeri> Right
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<morristic> I saw the repeat tag
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<morristic> Is that how you do it?
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<djazayeri> A number of people have worked on adding that feature, but the code always ends up being too hacky to include in the module.
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<djazayeri> I have always used the repeat tag for this.
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<morristic> do you have any sample code on the feature using the repeat tag?
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<djazayeri> i.e. display 10 rows with the repeat tag, and hope that's enough
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<morristic> ah :/
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<djazayeri> i.e. the repeat tag doesn't quite do what you want
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<morristic> right, that's what I thought
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<morristic> so, you don't feel there is a well coded solution as of yet?
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<docpaul> hi. :)
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<morristic> is there a way that you would suggest we approach it so that we come up with a solution that others can use?
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<morristic> Hi docpaul
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<docpaul> djazayeri: check out the email i sent to the leadership list
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<djazayeri> morristic: you mean a solution you could code up?
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<djazayeri> i.e. you are a developer (or have access to devs)?
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<djazayeri> docpaul: okay, I'll keep an eye out for it.
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<docpaul> it's there now
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<djazayeri> Haven't received it yet. Maybe the tubes are full.
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<morristic> correct. We were thinking of using JS, but I was thinking that a java solution that adds an xml element might be easier for others to use
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<morristic> but that sounds like an addition to html forms module, so I would need some help figuring out where to start
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<djazayeri> morristic: start by taking a look at https://tickets.openmrs.org/browse/HTML-50
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<morristic> ok, I'll check it out
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<morristic> seems the last post on it was a while back
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<djazayeri> Yes.
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<morristic> I'm surprised this isn't a more requested feature.
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<djazayeri> So, there's a "quick-fix" approach to this
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<djazayeri> which is to show up to a max number of repeats, but add javascript to reveal as-needed on an "add" button
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<djazayeri> I'll have to look back at the code to suggest how to do the "correct" version.
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<djazayeri> Since it's been 2 years since I really thought about it.
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<djazayeri> It used to be a commonly-requested feature.
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<djazayeri> Then suddenly people stopped asking for itâI'm not sure why.
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<djazayeri> morristic: One reason it hasn't been implemented yet is that most of the developers working on HTML Form Entry have been from PIH, and our forms mostly will have things like "[ ] cough [ ] fever" ...
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<djazayeri> Can you think about whether the quick-fix approach is something that you'd want to try first?
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<djazayeri> If that's not sufficient, then I'll try to make time to look at the code and point you to the place to do the more correct fix.
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<morristic> We will definitely use the quick fix first, however we plan to actively work on a more dynamic approach
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<morristic> our implementations aren't limited to certain specific diseases, so we could really use the flexibility
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<morristic> plus, we think it's an important feature. Not sure if it would be best though to use AJAX (if that's supported by HTML forms) or to create a separate module or to work on html form module firectly
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<morristic> *directly
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<morristic> but we would prefer to do any development in a way that is most easily used by others
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<djazayeri> You want AJAX for selecting the concept, but you'd want the actual submission of data to happen with the rest of the form.
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<morristic> which is why I wanted to speak with some of you all first.
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<morristic> right
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<morristic> well, I was able to get a autocomplete concept selection obsgroup setup
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<djazayeri> The way HTML Form Entry works is that as the xml defining the form is processed, each tag (e.g. "<obsâ¦/>") generates a "Widget"
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<morristic> ok
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<djazayeri> and that Widget is registered in the FormEntryContext
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<djazayeri> (server-side)
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<djazayeri> so, when the client submits the form, we iterate over all registered widgets and call their handleSubmission method (or something like that)
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<djazayeri> the reason this ticket is tricky is that really you'd want to be able to use the existing tags (obs, etc) as-is, but just wrap them in a <dynamicRepeat>â¦</dynamicRepeat> or something.
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<morristic> that would definitely be most userfriendly
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<djazayeri> But this scenario would lead to the html widgets actually being duplicated on the client-side, which breaks the model where all widgets are pre-registered on the server side.
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<morristic> but that requires adding some functions to your library that parses the xml
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<djazayeri> I hope it doesn't.
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<morristic> ah I see, so the number of obs is set before the user begins interacting with the form currently
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<djazayeri> Currently, yes.
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<djazayeri> I have a solution in mind.
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<djazayeri> Let me comment on the ticket, so we actually preserve this.
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<morristic> ok
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<morristic> we have accomplished a similar task previously for an entirely different sort of project
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<djazayeri> Cool. I'm definitely interested in seeing this feature added, so I'm happy to help.
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<djazayeri> Where are you based / what are you working on, btw?
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<morristic> we had the server parse the form after the submission.
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<morristic> would that be possible in this case?
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<morristic> Baltimore, MD
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<djazayeri> I'd rather work this into the existing conceptual model of the module.
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<morristic> sounds good
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<morristic> our project is called Community Health Information Partners
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<morristic> we are working through an Albert Schweitzer Fellowship project to help bring electronic medical records to free clinics and clinics for the underserved.
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<djazayeri> in the US?
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<morristic> currently, we are just working on getting the pilot together for the Baltimore Rescue Mission Clinic.
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<morristic> Yes
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<djazayeri> cool
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<morristic> Thanks! we are really excited about the project.
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<djazayeri> morristic: I commented on the ticket.
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<morristic> thanks!
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<djazayeri> It's probably not very comprehensible if you're not already quite familiar with the HTML Form Entry code though.
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<djazayeri> I just wanted to get some thoughts down.
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<morristic> sure
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<djazayeri> So, perhaps after you've taken a look at the quick-hack solution, then we can revisit this?
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<morristic> yeah, we haven't worked on any of the html module code. we've only worked on server side things and making some html forms so far. Sure.
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<djazayeri> (I'll actually be on vacation tomorrow and Monday.)
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<morristic> sounds good. by the quick-hack solution you mean just having a specified number of repeats, correct?
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<djazayeri> Yes, and if you want to be clever, wrapping some javascript around that so you don't show them all until requested.
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<morristic> ah, sneaky. we can definitely do that.
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<morristic> have a safe trip!
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<morristic> thanks again
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<djazayeri> If you successfully do that, can you please document how on the wiki?
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<morristic> sure
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<djazayeri> thanks
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<morristic> in the html forms wiki or the post you just posted on?
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<djazayeri> How about as a comment on the html form entry html reference page
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<morristic> sounds good
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<morristic> I have to run out for a bit, but it was nice talking with you. Thanks for your help.
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<djazayeri> np, catch you later
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