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<bEbETo> well I guess not, bbl then. cya
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<dlawson> Hey everyone, when working with a Mavenized module, is there a way to get the Ant "deploy-web' target back or its equivalent?
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<dieterichlawson> Hey guys, I'll repeat my question - is there a way to get the Ant "deploy-web" task back in a mavenized module? (or its equivalent)
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<sreya> tomorrow is the last date of editing it
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<dieterichlawson> thank you for submitting your proposal
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<dieterichlawson> great
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<gauuthami> keeping both the approaches in mind i have submiited my porposal
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<downeym> Jeff_S: Can I /msg you?
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<Jeff_S> yeah :)
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<tscieplek> nribeka: Hi, I have a question related to "Contact Information on Persons" project. I was here yesterday asking about GSoC program. Since yesterday I've installed OpenMRS, "large dataset", read some documentation and source code. As far as I understand the project idea, I should create additional table (like person_name), corresponding class or interface (similar to \openmrs-1.7.1-src\src\api\org\openmrs\PersonNama.java). Could you please point me anothe
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<nribeka> yep, you need to create a few new tables for that :)
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<nribeka> is any specific problem you're having tscieplek?
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<tscieplek> Do you mean that I need to create separate table for each contact type ?
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<nribeka> the contact type table will hold all contact type definition for each openmrs installation
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<harsha> hi downeym
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<downeym> hi harsha
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<harsha> downeym: I am making my proposal for Universal Search Box and hope to post it soon
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<downeym> harsha: Great. Less than 24 hours remain, so do not delay. :)
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<harsha> yeah , I have almost finished and doing some designs now
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<harsha> BTW where is Ben
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<downeym> harsha: Unfortunately he is travelling next day or two
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<harsha> okay, I have some queries , anyway I will mail them to the list then
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<downeym> harsha: That may be best at this point.
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<downeym> Many people using OpenMRS have asked for improved search, so you may get additional and valuable feedback. :)
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<harsha> downeym: Great , expecting to do my best during this summer too. :)
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<downeym> harsha: You might want to ask chopin too
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<downeym> Hi harsha1 and welcome to the #openmrs IRC channel.
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<robbyoconnor> w00t
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<downeym> hey robbyoconnor
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<robbyoconnor> found a nexus one :D
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<downeym> working one? :D
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<chopin> where was it?
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<robbyoconnor> checked the bands in portugal are 900/1800mhz
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<robbyoconnor> original Nexus One works :)
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<downeym> yeah
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<harsha1> downeym: Thats me harsha , I was suddenly disconnected , sorry
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<downeym> any nexus one should work fine in europe
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<downeym> harsha1: that's fine :)
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<robbyoconnor> ok =)
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: it's always taken a while for the phone to "adapt" to the new sim though
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<robbyoconnor> how long?
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: not entirely sure why, it acts up for an hour or two
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<robbyoconnor> where do you grab SIM cards?
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: usually at the airport :)
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: find out which carrier has the best prepaid (data) plans
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<robbyoconnor> vodafone
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<robbyoconnor> is a carrier there
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<robbyoconnor> and I know of them
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<robbyoconnor> cheap prepaid data
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<robbyoconnor> ;x
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: anyway just look around for a kiosk selling sim kits
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: buy it, then follow instructions :)
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<robbyoconnor> could I grab the sim @ heathrow?
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: you could grab one, but it'd be uk-only
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<robbyoconnor> :/
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<downeym> downeym: if you really need one for UK you can borrow one of mine
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<tscieplek> nribeka: thank you for help. But you would expect me to create a few frequently used contact types ?
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<robbyoconnor> Did you ever get a new phone from your nexus one?
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: I'd just try to find some wifi at LHR if i were you :)
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<robbyoconnor> that's what im gonna do LOL
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<downeym> robbyoconnor: I got my nexus one replaced via HTC
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<robbyoconnor> and get my SIM @ the airport
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<harsha1> hi chopin
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<robbyoconnor> I have two craigslist listings i found
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<robbyoconnor> rather handle ebay
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<nribeka> yep, i think we will create a default predefined contact type that's common for someone to have
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<nribeka> email, phone number for example
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<harsha> in point of search box implementation, would it be okay to add some additional methods in existing services at points where I would unable to process with all the given search parameters or else does this idea suppose to reuse exising search implementations and wrap up them in a single search API etc.
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<chopin> hi harsha
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<harsha> hi chopin
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<chopin> harsha: i am not sure of the answer to that question, but i can tell you that there is an approach that would be useful (and may not be covered on the project page yet)
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<chopin> this came up in a conversation the other day
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<robbyoconnor> $327.30 for a used nexus one
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<chopin> the Clinical Summary Module currently utilizes an internal search redirection method that will take a map of {property: value(s)} for a given search and map that to the actual search method in the service
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<chopin> i feel the most flexible universal search box would use an API-level universal search that allows us to specify text to search on and perhaps narrow the search by type and associated properties utilizing a map
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<chopin> also consider implementing a fulltext index independent of the API's indexes
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<chopin> i don't know if that's in the project page
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<chopin> but those are options i have heard flying around lately
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<tscieplek> nribeka: I would like to ask you one more question. Although I may be wrong, the project scope seems to be fairly straightforward. Do you think I could write proposal containing two project Ideas? I was considering "Improved Person Attribute Types". Please, let me know what do you think about it ? I do have a lot of experience with Java and databases, however i've never worked on such a complex project so at this stage it is difficult to assess exact time
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<tscieplek> and again, thank you for your help
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<nribeka> well, write two separate proposals tscieplek :)
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<nribeka> if we think it's too easy, we can always give you more stuff to do. don't worry. we always have tickets for you :)
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<tscieplek> but do you think that working on first project would possibly take 3 months ?
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<harsha> chopin: okay , yeah by now I have thought of reusing existing search implementations in a search API and direct accordingly depending on the parameters.
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<tscieplek> that's great
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<tscieplek> i was just thinking that it could seem that I want to take too easy path :)
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<nribeka> :)
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<djazayeri> tscieplek: not sure exactly which project you're talking about, but the general idea is that there's a difference between the minimum requirement for a "passing" grade, and doing exceptional work. (People code at different speeds, and there's always room to take a project further, or to do additional work.)
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<djazayeri> If you think that completing the project will take less than the 3 months, you should say so in the timeline in your proposal.
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<harsha> hi Darius, do you have something in your mind for my question.
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<djazayeri> harsha: sorry, haven't been following the conversation
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<harsha> djazayeri: in point of search box implementation, would it be okay to add some additional methods in existing services at points where I would unable to process with all the given search parameters or else does this idea suppose to reuse exising search implementations and wrap up them in a single search API etc.
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<harsha> is this clear enough ?
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<djazayeri> I haven't thought about the project much, and I haven't discussed it with the people who will be mentoring it, so take my answer with a grain of salt.
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<djazayeri> I would envision that the search service allows "search providers" to be registered with it
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<djazayeri> these providers would be capable of searching for a specific type of data
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<djazayeri> e.g. there'd be one for Patients, one for Concepts, one for Locations, etc.
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<tscieplek> djazayeri, thank you for your advice. As I said. I'm very confident about my Java and sql skills, but here I have to meet your standards, learn API and so on. I feel a little overwhelmed with this and it's difficult to say how log i'm going to spend on this project.
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<djazayeri> The search service module itself would provide some of these for core parts of OpenMRS.
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<djazayeri> But other modules (e.g. reporting) should be able to plug in their own providers.
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<djazayeri> But I imagine the search itself should be very simple, e.g. it's just a search by name, and *maybe* it allows you to specify whether or not to include retired/deleted/archived items.
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<djazayeri> So you shouldn't need to add any functionality to existing services, rather you would have a "provider" that knows how to call the right methods of existing services with the right arguments.
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<chopin> djazayeri: why not allow for a map of properties and values to search on, ignoring those properties that don't matter (per the provider)?
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<djazayeri> tscieplek: the idea is that doing an introductory ticket or two will help you understand the codebase better and give you a better picture of how long it will take to do the project
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<chopin> i.e. SearchService.search(Patient.class, {"identifiers": "101-8"})
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<djazayeri> chopin: I am envisioning something like the desktop searches on Mac OS or in Ubuntu, or Google Desktop.
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<djazayeri> You don't get options.
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<chopin> heh
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<djazayeri> I'm fine with the idea of having the provider handle a map of extra arguments.
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<chopin> but they index fulltext common metadata (name, description, etc)
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<djazayeri> But I don't see how that would fit in the UI.
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<chopin> and the fulltext index would have to be separate
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<tscieplek> thats right, thank you again.
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<EClaesson> Have you had many applying students for GSOC this summer?
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<djazayeri> Again, I've barely thought about this, but off the top of my head, I was imagining a single, simple, (visually small, but distincly-located) text box
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<chopin> ah, ui-speaking yes
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<chopin> but behind the scenes we need better searching
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<djazayeri> Okay, but if the UI is only passing in a single string, why does the provider need to accept generic parameters?
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<chopin> look at gmail search ... "from:jeremy@openmrs.org label:AMPATH"
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<chopin> some way to specify narrowing would be useful
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<chopin> for people that know what they're looking for
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<chopin> but .. not necessary
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<djazayeri> okay, but the provider could handle that itself. (Presumably by calling a utility method to split out param:values for params it knows about
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<chopin> also when we're talking about getting a fast response to a UI search request, doesn't it make sense to maintain a speedy index separate from our existing tables?
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<chopin> imagine kicking off searches one by one against each service ...
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<chopin> it seems to me we could use annotations to specify fulltext fields on our POJOs
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<djazayeri> Certainly doing indexing could speed things up, but really how long does it take to search against existing services (besides the PatientService)?
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<chopin> obs and encounters are painful
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<chopin> i realize not many people would search for those
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<chopin> if HL7s were included ...
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<djazayeri> Why would those be included? :-)
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<chopin> where do we draw the line?
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<chopin> haha
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<chopin> i mean, yes ... there are outliers
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<djazayeri> But indexing obs/encounters/hl7 on fulltext would be a massive database, for a tiny use case.
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<chopin> true
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<djazayeri> Stepping back: certainly I agree that speeding up searching for things (particularly patients) would be nice.
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<chopin> but let's say i have a new module whose data i want to make available ...
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<chopin> could be all i should do is implement a interface for it
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<djazayeri> But surely version 1 of the search service doesn't need to do this
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<chopin> and write a indexTheseProperties() method
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<chopin> yeah, guess not
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<chopin> :-.
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<djazayeri> Yes, definitely I would love a Searchable interface.
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<djazayeri> that would require putting this in core, or else having all those modules require the search module.
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<djazayeri> but ignoring that...
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<harsha> As mentioned first step would be to expose core search services,
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<chopin> harsha: for each core search service that should be searched by a fulltext search, write a provider that knows how to interpret a search to that service's search methods.
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<djazayeri> So, I would envision implementing this as a module. In which case you can't change core services.
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<djazayeri> But the module could provide a Searchable interface that other modules could implement to make things automatically searchable
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<djazayeri> (and the module can do @Autowired List<Searchable> ...)
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<harsha> yeah already it is going to be a new module
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<djazayeri> okay, so then the answer is that you are not allowed to change code in core. (Unless you really need to introduce something there, which means the module wouldn't work until OpenMRS 1.9+, which is not ideal.)
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<harsha> chopin: yeah that should obviously be there, otherwise I could not filter out parameters that are suited to the core api methods
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<harsha> djazayeri: yeah to that point yes
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<harsha> but my question was I may encounter a situation that existing methods would not be enough for some set of search parameters, I guess this is a next step of this module
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<harsha> djazayeri: as you mentioned I should not warry about this yet. So for now depending on the user's search text I can figure out whether exising core api method can provide results or not.
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<harsha> Thanks chopin and djazayeri for your information
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<harsha> I am going back to my proposal
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<tscieplek> Hi All, I would like to ask you about "Contact Information on Persons" project. In description I found that we will need ability to store additional parameters. It's suggested to use XML format for this purpose. Maybe it's a better idea to store set of contact attributes inside PersonContactType? What do you think about it?
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