IRC Chat : 2010-08-02 - OpenMRS

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03:42:12 <upul`> Hi fixl
03:42:21 <fixl> g'day upul`
03:42:33 <upul`> g`day
03:43:12 <upul`> what do you do with openmrs
03:43:14 <upul`> fixl,
03:43:45 <fixl> i was asked by a friend of mine to get into it
03:43:52 <fixl> but i havent had time really :(
03:43:56 <fixl> university started again
03:43:58 <upul`> i see
03:44:33 <upul`> this is a nice place
03:44:42 <fixl> #openmrs ?
03:45:03 <upul`> yes with and without #
03:46:18 <fixl> :)
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03:54:11 <upul`> Hi Mkop
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04:29:17 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Shazin Sadakath: All Forward, Hard Forward, Relax .... <http://shazsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/all-forward-hard-forward-relax.html>
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07:39:40 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14699]: About to play around with putting groovy-backed controllers in a primarily … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14699>
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08:43:50 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14700]: xforms module: Fixed bug where some set fields were duplicated as problem … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14700>
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10:18:03 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14701]: billing: bug fix of tree like hierarchy <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14701>
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10:50:06 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14703]: simplelabentry. added 'no result, need to redo test' functionality. … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14703> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14702]: rwandaprimarycare. adding a couple more kinyarwanda translations <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14702>
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12:06:58 <topriddy> first i need to congratulate the openmrs guys for a job well done. am currently examining the app, and would like to download a manual or guide if available instead f clicking through on web
12:08:11 <topriddy> am a java developer and actually want to customise app for Nigerian hospitals and majorly embed a flexible sms send transport app which i intend to make open source later when job is complete
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13:27:06 <EricInBNE> hi can someone answer a few questions about openmrs?
13:31:25 <bwolfe> EricInBNE: possibly
13:31:30 <bwolfe> EricInBNE: go ahead and ask :-)
13:39:45 <EricInBNE> bwolfe: cheers
13:40:50 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, how many places is the system in use?
13:41:37 <bwolfe> we put out a survey last year and got back about 100 responses: http://openmrs.org/wiki/Implementations
13:42:14 <bwolfe> there are 2-300 people on the implementers mailing list, so at least half didn't respond (which is typical)
13:42:19 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, It seems like you have alot of volunteers. how do you manage quality issues?
13:42:46 <bwolfe> code review. http://openmrs.org/wiki/Code_Review
13:42:56 <EricInBNE> eg. from looking around I noticed alot of what I would politely call early career coders.
13:43:26 <bwolfe> yep, but we're pretty strict
13:44:20 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, ok. So is this a dictator and lieutanants model of code review?
13:45:47 <bwolfe> yes, but with multiple dictators, many lieutenants, and then a bunch of peasants. :-)
13:46:49 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, what are the decent/prominent competitors to openmrs?
13:46:57 <EricInBNE> er. open source competitors
13:48:33 <bwolfe> no one can compete with us ;-)
13:49:14 <bwolfe> its not a very large field. there are things like smartcare, but its MS-based (and not really open)
13:49:29 <bwolfe> theres worldvista in the US out of the VA system, but its written in mumps
13:49:46 <EricInBNE> ton here and I've seen other big big lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_healthcare_software
13:49:49 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/2J-E> (at en.wikipedia.org)
13:50:06 <bwolfe> theres a a php-based system that focuses on more ERP type stuff...I cna't remember the name of it
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13:50:31 <EricInBNE> whats erp? (billing?)
13:51:20 <bwolfe> yeah, and other hospital management things
13:51:44 <bwolfe> yeah, so 20 or so there on wikipedia
13:52:14 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, entire system in java?
13:52:22 <bwolfe> not sure how many are still active, how many are customizable, written on free software, etc
13:52:45 <bwolfe> its a java webapp, yes. so java API backend with an html/javascript frontend
13:53:44 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, all the backend stuff goes into postgres or mysql type dealio?
13:54:15 <bwolfe> yeah, we work with any of the major relational databases. most people use mysql
13:54:59 <EricInBNE> here's a kind of key question, how bottlenecked is that interface from concepts to sql.
13:55:32 <EricInBNE> how hard do you think it would be eg. to port that to (let's say for s__ts and giggles) - db4o?
13:57:12 <bwolfe> db4o? not familiar...
13:57:38 <bwolfe> from concepts to sql...what do you mean? just in normal data entry? or in data queries?
13:57:49 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Create checkbox in html form <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=636#p2438>
13:58:15 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, it's an object database... I don't actually use it, but I have built some code similiar to it.
13:59:00 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, imagine I want to map the concept stuff to a completely non-relational paradigm, eg a KV store or something like that.
14:00:39 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, It seems like it might not be too tricky, since the 'concept' idea appears to solve the problem schema evolution.
14:02:02 <bwolfe> the concepts in openmrs are used as keys (and values sometimes!) in a key-value store already: the obs table.
14:02:29 <bwolfe> not sure if db4o takes KV to a different level though...
14:02:47 <EricInBNE> db4o isnt really a KV store, although it can be implemented on one...I don't know if it is or not.
14:03:04 <bwolfe> the openmrs API is written with multiple levels in mind. so if you wanted to write a whole new DAO layer using some new paradigm it is doable without a complete rewrite
14:03:26 <EricInBNE> object databases look like this:
14:03:28 <EricInBNE> open(odb);
14:03:32 <bwolfe> the DAO layer now is built with hibernate to go into a relational db
14:03:42 <EricInBNE> Arbitrary a = new Arbitrary();
14:03:47 <EricInBNE> odb.store(a);
14:04:50 <EricInBNE> odb.retrieve(Where(Arbitrary.class).field("foo").equals("bar));
14:05:15 <EricInBNE> then you get back a Collection.
14:05:36 <EricInBNE> pseudocode...
14:06:46 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, how many paid developers?
14:07:32 <bwolfe> EricInBNE: looks like that works similarly to how we use hibernate. except hibernate translates the java calls into a sql statement.
14:08:01 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, yeah the main thing about pure object databases is they are never mapped. they go in and come out as pure objects.
14:08:11 <bwolfe> 5ish for openmrs. then another 5 that are paid by other implementations and focus 50% of their time on openmrs or so
14:08:31 <EricInBNE> so the 5 main guys work for regenstrief?
14:13:59 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, looking at the demo, how do I add an encounter?
14:15:13 <bwolfe> 4 of them work at regenstrief
14:15:43 <bwolfe> you fill out a form to get a new encounter. are there any demo forms on there?
14:16:50 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, I don't think so - it just says 'search', should I try anything?
14:17:54 <bwolfe> hmm, no demo forms? thats crappy
14:18:18 <EricInBNE> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Demo
14:21:03 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, are the forms created by hand or generated?
14:23:15 <bwolfe> designed by admins at each site. so apparently the demo db doesn't contain any forms. :-/
14:23:26 <bwolfe> you can add a new htmlform using the htmlformentry module that is installed on demo
14:23:46 <bwolfe> or if MS infopath is your thing you could use the formentry module to design one
14:24:17 <bwolfe> if you go through the trouble, let me know and I'll extract that data to go into the fresh demo db import script. :-)
14:24:50 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, Infopath? hmmm lol
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14:43:23 <tinashe> hi guys...am currently going into OpenMRS modules development...however...have a few questions regarding some errors when developing modules...
14:44:11 <tinashe> am getting the following when uploading the module i developed....
14:44:13 <tinashe> ERROR - CommonsLoggingOutput.error(75) |2010-08-02 16:38:21,048| Parameter mismatch parsing signatures section in dwr.xml on line: DWRHtmlFormEntryService.checkIfLoggedIn()
14:44:13 <tinashe> WARN - CommonsLoggingOutput.warn(59) |2010-08-02 16:38:21,072| Clash of converters for org.openmrs.web.dwr.ConceptListItem. Using org.directwebremoting.convert.BeanConverter in place of org.directwebremoting.convert.BeanConverter
14:45:01 <EricInBNE> bwolfe, thanks for all your help.
14:45:37 <bwolfe> EricInBNE: np
14:45:50 <bwolfe> tinashe: whats in your config.xml in the dwr element?
14:47:13 <tinashe> bwolfe, there is no dwr config in the <source> section of the config.xml file...there is only the activator specification...
14:48:29 <bwolfe> tinashe: interesting
14:48:36 <bwolfe> what other modules do you have installed in openmrs?
14:49:23 <tinashe> bwolfe, serialization xstream, d.e.stats, html form entry, reporting compatibility and form entry....
14:49:36 <bwolfe> hmm
14:49:51 <tinashe> bwolfe, versions 0.1.8.1, 1.0, 1.5.2, 1.5.0.2, and 4.2.1 respectively...
14:49:52 <bwolfe> and that error prevents your module from starting?
14:50:45 <tinashe> the module seems is being uploaded perfectly...but there is no link for it created...and i get the above errors in catalina.out....
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14:52:30 <topriddy> i already have openmrs web app installed and configured properly, but need to know if theres a how to use user guide, developer guide and/or administrative guide. links on the sites just point me to ediable html web pages...thanks
14:53:05 <topriddy> between thumbs up to the developers hope i can know enough to join the team pretty soon, at least in any minimal way that i can help
14:55:26 <bwolfe> topriddy: one at a time. you want a user guide? Or just a 'how to get started' guide?
14:55:29 <tinashe> bwolfe, also....created this from the concept behind available modules on the repository...one other thing..am not being able to checkout, the basicmodule and other modules from the repository...subversive and javaHL are configured correctly in my Eclipse IDE....
14:56:16 <bwolfe> whats the error you're getting? that timeout thing?
14:56:18 <tinashe> and also checking out modules from the terminal using subversion is timing out...
14:56:37 <bwolfe> tinashe: perhaps you could use the https://svn.openmrs.org instead ? maybe http://svn.openmrs.org is blocked for you at an ISP level
14:56:57 * bwolfe replies to tinashe's mailing list post
14:57:52 <tinashe> bwolfe, ok thanks...will try https....and with regards to the error i am getting...any suggestions or this requires a closer look at the sample module itself...
14:59:10 <bwolfe> tinashe: its an error in the htmlformentry module. perhaps its just red herring and things aren't showing up in your module due to other problems unrelated to dwr (which is very likely)
14:59:18 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14704]: xforms module: changed the version of the module to 3.9.1 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14704>
15:02:45 <topriddy> bwolfe: all of the above or whichever is available so i can download, am a software programmer and intend customising and configuring application for hospitals in my vicinity and also extend the app by adding/embedding a SmsApp for value added service which would be consuming a bulk sms service of my client
15:03:12 <tinashe> bwolfe, could be...but catalina.out reports the element type "dwr" is not matching none of "init.,allow,signatures."
15:04:00 <bwolfe> topriddy: hmm, not sure what else to point you at other than the documentation page. that is one point that we are lacking. :-/ http://openmrs.org/wiki/Documentation
15:04:10 <bwolfe> topriddy: perhaps modules http://openmrs.org/wiki/Modules page?
15:04:13 <topriddy> bwolfe: so basically i guess i need a user guide, and developer guide, so i can understand how to use app. also am still considering maybe using the .jar file and theb write my own simple desktop front end
15:04:57 <topriddy> okay, thanks. guess i'll have to click each link individually and form my own one downloadable doc.
15:05:27 <bwolfe> topriddy: and there is a messaging module you could hook into that is currently nearing the end of development (can't find a good wiki page for it other than this: http://openmrs.org/wiki/Messaging_Module)
15:07:21 <topriddy> bwolfe: intend doing stuffs like sending birthday notifications, doctor/dentist appointements notification, good will messages (e.g national holidays, new month/year etc), also credit reminder, etc
15:10:05 <tinashe> bwolfe, thanks will try look more closely comparing with existing repository modules and see where i am not quite correct..cheers..
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15:12:45 <misha680> Hi guys sorry to bug any opinion on Spring in Action vs Spring Recipes? Just wanted a hard reference/intro text to read when not coding... something helpful but readable too
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15:27:30 <bwolfe> misha680: I like the "in action" books in general. but I haven't read either of those spring books
15:29:25 <misha680> Oh ok. I might get both and return one not sure. I dont really usually read programming books but sometimes nice to have as easy reference/reading material. Thx
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15:30:07 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14708]: 1.7.x: Searching for persons is slow when searching for or adding an … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14708> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14707]: 1.6.x: Searching for persons is slow when searching for or adding an … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14707> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14706]: Searching for persons is slow when searching for or adding an observation … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14706> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14705]: basicmodule: Removing possibility of compilation errors <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14705>
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15:47:34 <misha680> Ben: btw csvimporter using spreadsheetupload module. Anything else I should know?
16:00:57 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14711]: Fixing tooltip for mapping label on conceptForm - TRUNK-1651 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14711> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14710]: updated html form entry version # to 1.6.5 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14710> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Is it possible to upload concept dictionary CSV format file? <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=633#p2439> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14709]: in patientmatching module, changed == to != in if statement to fix null … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14709> || OpenMRS Modules: HTML Form Entry 1.6.5 uploaded to OpenMRS Module Repository <https://dev.openmrs.org/modules/view.jsp?module=htmlformentry&version=&1.6.5>
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16:32:59 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Modules: XForms 3.9.1 uploaded to OpenMRS Module Repository <https://dev.openmrs.org/modules/view.jsp?module=xforms&version=&3.9.1>
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17:03:50 <openmrs_web122> hi everyone
17:04:01 <openmrs_web122> whats the username and password for the demo?
17:07:14 <bwolfe> admin / test
17:08:15 <openmrs_web122> ty
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18:07:00 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: On Twitter: OpenMRS: More info http://go.openmrs.org/mtg2010 ... RT @RaymondMD: #OpenMRS implementers meeting is B2B with #medinfo2010! Cheers! <http://twitter.com/OpenMRS/statuses/20156908151> || On Twitter: OpenMRS: #OpenMRS hack-a-thon August 19 & 20 in Indianapolis at @Regenstrief. Want to join us in person or virtually? Get in touch. #ICT4D #eHealth <http://twitter.com/OpenMRS/statuses/20156642606>
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18:36:45 <_glen> hey firzhan
18:36:58 <firzhan> hi
18:37:30 <firzhan> I have some issues with the xml things
18:37:32 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14712]: updated error handling when there's a problem loading a scanned lab report <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14712>
18:38:31 <_glen> firzhan: tell me about it
18:38:55 <firzhan> when we are newly creating the
18:38:58 <firzhan> xml file
18:39:16 <firzhan> I am facing some problems in assigning that value to the ID
18:39:18 <firzhan> element
18:39:47 <_glen> meaning the ID doesn't exist until the record is created.
18:39:55 <_glen> chicken/egg problem
18:40:08 <_glen> or is it something else?
18:40:46 <firzhan> yeah
18:40:54 <firzhan> u r correct
18:41:58 <_glen> great catch. you are right. I will remove it from the schema. it is redundant anyway.
18:42:14 <firzhan> yeah...
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18:45:07 <firzhan> _glen: How can I store teh Locale object in the xml file
18:46:02 <_glen> we'll having a local object is only one option. you could write a method that exports it to xml kind of like a print method.
18:46:47 <firzhan> ok
18:46:51 <firzhan> I will do liek it
18:47:12 <_glen> there is a lot of complexity in the conceptproposal
18:47:34 <_glen> firzhan: i was working through it in the xml schema
18:47:54 <firzhan> yeah
18:48:08 <_glen> are you able to represent it all in one object?
18:48:36 <firzhan> no
18:48:48 <firzhan> I am just going to use them as a single strings
18:48:55 <firzhan> it will be easy for representation
18:51:17 <_glen> use what as single strings?
18:52:18 <firzhan> I mean I will be storing the values defined according to the schema
18:55:17 <firzhan> _glen: Do I have to include this schema definition file (.xsd)in to my module
18:55:48 <_glen> yes. the schema should validate the xml real time
18:56:20 <firzhan> oh
18:56:31 <firzhan> r htr any example projects here in
18:56:37 <firzhan> openmrs
18:58:02 <_glen> hmmm...not that I've encountered. but I've seen xerces around before.
18:58:04 <_glen> http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-xs.html
18:58:14 <_glen> check out the first faq
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19:01:24 <firzhan> ok
19:08:37 <_glen> html form entry has some schemas in it, I think.
19:08:46 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14713]: fixed liquibase format changes; had messed up some sql elements, causing … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14713>
19:08:49 <_glen> a new version was just released. you could check it out, firzhan
19:08:59 <firzhan> yeah
19:09:07 <firzhan> I am going through it in the mail
19:11:50 <_glen> firzhan: alright. I'm going to get some lunch. Drop me an email if you need my attention.
19:11:58 <firzhan> yeah
19:12:00 <firzhan> sure
19:12:02 <firzhan> thanks glen
19:12:30 <_glen> firzhan: you're welcome
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19:39:20 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14714]: refactored getObsFromObsGroup into MdrtbUtil <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14714>
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21:15:29 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14716]: 1.7.x: fixes showCalendar javascript issue by using the jquery datepicker … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14716> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14715]: reverting mdrtb dashboard header; however, still referencing the main … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14715>
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21:46:44 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14717]: Fixed all links to work in the 2.0 upgrade … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14717>
22:17:39 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14719]: sync: show number of days since last sync on overview page - SYNC-44 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14719> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [14718]: Realign comments on specimen page … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/14718>
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