IRC Chat : 2010-05-11 - OpenMRS

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06:46:04 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Regarding Appointment In OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=593#p2222>
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07:46:23 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13286]: billing: change the config.xml.. patientSearchServlet to point to the one … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13286>
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08:16:29 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13287]: billing: Fixed reference to PatientSearchServlet <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13287>
09:46:57 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Trouble with ATD module <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=591#p2223>
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10:19:27 <kennymac> hi all
10:20:38 <pascal`> hey kennymac
10:21:19 <kennymac> hi pascal`
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12:50:58 <pascal`> hey upul`
12:51:16 <upul`> hey pascal`
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12:52:30 <pascal`> hi bwolfe
12:52:46 <bwolfe> hi pascal`
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13:03:14 <chopin> hi everyone
13:04:00 <upul`> hi chopin
13:08:54 <chopin> hi upul`
13:09:13 <chopin> hrm, first time ubuntu 10.04 is freaking out on me re: displays
13:09:24 * chopin restarts for good measure
13:13:12 <bwolfe> chopin: via docking/undocking?
13:13:19 <chopin> bwolfe: docked
13:13:23 <chopin> but ... not sure
13:13:24 <bwolfe> or is it freaking out with the fn-f7
13:13:29 <chopin> erm
13:13:45 <chopin> it just has a lot of left-behind artifacts
13:17:55 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13288]: logmanager: removed USING BTREE from sqldiff.xml to fix problems with … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13288> || Kenny MacDonald: Making Progress <http://dev.xeerotee.net/?p=12> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Regarding Appointment In OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=593#p2226> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Trouble with ATD module <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=591#p2225> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Where are the Forms to match demo database? <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=586#p2224>
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13:18:41 <chopin> danielf`++
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13:38:58 <chopin> danielf`: nice work re: #2102
13:39:07 <chopin> danielf`: i added a few thoughts
13:46:01 * chopin will be right back
13:46:05 <nribeka> hi chopin
13:46:08 <chopin> hi nribeka
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13:48:06 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Modules: Log Manager 1.3.1 uploaded to OpenMRS Module Repository <https://dev.openmrs.org/modules/view.jsp?module=logmanager&version=&1.3.1>
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13:51:51 <chopin> annnd back
13:57:29 <danielf`> hey chopin, reading through your comments now
14:02:07 <chopin> danielf`: cool
14:02:15 <chopin> danielf`: feel free to refute
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14:06:29 <Hazamonzo> Hi openMRS developers
14:06:41 <Hazamonzo> I have no questions... i just thought i would say something
14:07:58 <pascal`> hi Hazamonzo
14:08:03 <pascal`> hey chopin
14:08:15 <Hazamonzo> Hello pascal
14:08:34 <Hazamonzo> Im hoping to use some spare time to work on the data warehouse side of openMRS
14:08:39 <chopin> pascal`: hey-o
14:08:40 <Hazamonzo> as i promised over two years ago
14:08:57 <chopin> hi Hazamonzo
14:09:11 <Hazamonzo> Hello chopin
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14:25:57 <wyclif> hey
14:29:42 <chopin> hey is for horses
14:29:44 <chopin> :-D
14:30:15 * downeym *neigh*
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14:49:09 <wyclif> chopin, who said that?
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14:55:02 <chopin> wyclif: it's an old pun
14:55:16 <wyclif> he he he
14:56:10 <wyclif> chopin, looks like am in for some cultural shocks
14:56:32 <wyclif> chopin, coz i always use it
14:56:55 <bwolfe> Hazamonzo: have you met justin already?
15:00:18 <chopin> wyclif: haha, you can say "hey" all you want ... everyone does!
15:00:27 <chopin> wyclif: but sometimes someone will say "hay is for horses"
15:00:37 <chopin> wyclif: and all you have to do is smile
15:01:05 <chopin> wyclif: and think to yourself, "that guy is trying to be funny."
15:02:44 <wyclif> chopin, ok, i was starting to get worried that i have been offending people ignorantly
15:05:08 <bwolfe> wyclif: no, chopin is just showing his age...and lack of humor
15:05:17 <bwolfe> wyclif: what you should really do when someone says that is roll your eyes
15:05:29 <bwolfe> unless its your grandmother, then you smile and act like it was hilarious
15:05:34 <bwolfe> (like I have to do)
15:06:02 <wyclif> he he he
15:13:56 <chopin> :-D
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15:17:17 <Hazamonzo> bwolfe: I have. A couple of years back now :)
15:17:21 <Hazamonzo> Well. Not in person
15:19:33 <bwolfe> Hazamonzo: cool. he's the one that did all the data warehouse stuff
15:19:43 <bwolfe> I'm sure he could point you at a project or two to work on related to that. :-)
15:21:04 <Hazamonzo> bwolfe: No doubt :)
15:23:45 <chopin> bwolfe, wyclif, nribeka: did we decide that i should throw an error (stop processing an HL7 message) when an NK1 segment is invalid?
15:23:53 <chopin> or let it keep going?
15:23:56 <chopin> !ticket 1742
15:23:56 <OpenMRSBot> chopin: Ticket #1742: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1742
15:24:12 <chopin> i think i might prefer to toss the error
15:24:20 <chopin> and it'll reduce my code by 5 lines
15:24:25 <chopin> most of which are curly braces
15:24:50 * chopin does it
15:24:53 <wyclif> i think you should throw HL7Exception
15:24:57 <chopin> yup
15:25:13 <wyclif> coz that gets caught by the processor and iot moves to the next message
15:25:23 <chopin> wyclif: in -theory-
15:25:31 <chopin> although, the router throws an ApplicationException
15:25:37 <chopin> can't wait to revamp that router
15:25:42 <wyclif> he he
15:30:31 <nribeka> exception chopin
15:30:52 <chopin> also, did we decide "createPersonFromNK1" sounds right for a method that actually creates a new person/patient and saves it to the db?
15:32:21 <chopin> or createAndSavePersonOrPatientFromNK1Segment
15:32:25 <chopin> *choke*
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16:00:55 <astelmashenko> hi all
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16:15:14 <bwolfe> hi astelmashenko (belated)
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16:34:49 <james_regen> bwolfe: i have a question that i'd guess has been answered on some mailing list or in a call, but my searching hasn't found it yet
16:53:03 <bwolfe> james_regen: 42
16:57:11 <james_regen> how many miles must a man walk? was that the question?
16:59:37 <james_regen> previous years, i think there were OpenMRS VMs that were created and setup for all the interns and GSoC students, right? to provide OpenMRS environments for development?
17:00:03 <downeym> james_regen: there were - they were recently (last weekend) shut off without notice by verio who had donated them :(
17:01:00 <james_regen> downeym: thanks for the information. does that mean there won't be a similar resource or environment available this year?
17:03:05 <chopin> 5000
17:05:56 <downeym> james_regen: nothing we've been able to provision so far :( but still looking for alternatives
17:06:04 <downeym> chopin: ?
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17:11:02 <bwolfe> chopin: its actually "over 9000!!!"
17:11:14 <bwolfe> james_regen: you're thinking of http://labs.openmrs.org
17:13:07 <james_regen> bwolfe: yeah, that sounds right. that's going to be open to GSoC?
17:13:43 <chopin> bwolfe: i was thinking of The Proclaimers
17:13:52 <chopin> but it was 500
17:13:53 <bwolfe> james_regen: thats what downeym was referring to as "shut off without notice". so nothing like that is available until we can find someone to host it
17:14:52 <james_regen> okay. i read that the modules.openmrs.org was shut off, but didn't realize it was more than that
17:15:35 <downeym> so far the best we have is IU's research database complex, but shell logins are only available to IU affiliates :-(
17:15:52 <downeym> james_regen: also included our demo site and continuous integration app
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17:21:06 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2321 (task created): HL7 Patient data showing in tomcat logs <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2321>
17:26:08 <nribeka> what happen to link james_regen?
17:26:25 <bwolfe> james_regen: modules.openmrs.org was never part of that. it was just ci.openmrs.org, demo.openmrs.org and lab*.openmrs.org :-/
17:26:28 <bwolfe> "just"
17:27:06 <downeym> bwolfe: actually modules was shut off temporarily at one point, no?
17:28:03 <bwolfe> downeym: hmm, maybe, I can't remember. I've stopped allocating memory to infrastructure stuff now that you get paid to care about it ;-)
17:28:23 <downeym> bwolfe: check for old core dumps
17:31:37 <james_regen> nribeka: link fails some security audits here, so it's getting deleted
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17:51:11 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: On Twitter: OpenMRS: RT @sunil_abraham: Planning a #FOSS + health workshop with iosn.net & mahiti.org. Looking for doctors interested in tech. #OpenMRS #eHealth <http://twitter.com/OpenMRS/statuses/13799392880>
17:53:56 <downeym> http://googletranslate.blogspot.com/2010/05/giving-voice-to-more-languages-on.html
17:54:00 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/6ZG+> (at googletranslate.blogspot.com)
17:54:13 <downeym> new swahili text-to-speech :)
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18:24:35 <Mkop> sketchy (adj.): When you log in to live chat with your hosting company, and the dude says, "Please can you tell me your cpanel username and password."
18:24:47 <downeym> heh
18:24:59 <downeym> i once spent hours on the phone with 1and1 to try to get a dns change made
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18:29:01 <Mkop> downeym: can you tell me if you can access http://rivka.klm-computing.com/?
18:29:14 <downeym> 403 error
18:29:21 <Mkop> hmm, that's better than I'm getting
18:29:25 <Mkop> that means DNS works
18:29:33 <downeym> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/rivka.klm-computing.com
18:29:37 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/6ZGx> (at downforeveryoneorjustme.com)
18:29:40 <downeym> yeah i'm def resolving dns here
18:30:00 <downeym> but dns is tricky, it may not be resolving elsewhere if you've just recently made changes
18:30:04 <Mkop> that site isn't resolving DNS
18:30:08 <Mkop> I did not just make changes
18:30:19 <Mkop> I created the subdomain maybe 24 hours ago
18:30:24 <downeym> that's not unheard of
18:30:27 <Mkop> and when I went to it I got a 500 error
18:30:33 <Mkop> then I changed permissions on the file
18:30:36 <Mkop> and got a DNS problem
18:30:38 <downeym> http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php is resolving it
18:30:56 <downeym> your file permissions changes shouldn't be connected to dns at all
18:31:25 <Mkop> yeah
18:31:44 <downeym> dns propagation can take as much as 36-72 hours in some places
18:31:45 <Mkop> I suspect that in the 30 seconds I changed it, my DNS decided to switch servers or something
18:31:52 <downeym> could be
18:32:08 <Mkop> actually, I think I made the subdomain sun. night.
18:32:10 <Mkop> so it's 36 by now
18:32:15 <downeym> in the future try to set your TTL low a week ahead of time
18:32:26 <downeym> like *really* low :)
18:32:26 <Mkop> how do I do that?
18:32:34 <downeym> depends on how you're managing your dns
18:32:47 <downeym> TTL is basically how long the record will be cached
18:33:18 <Mkop> for the amount of traffic I get, and the frequency that I create new subdomains for this or that little project, low TTL is a good thing for me
18:33:48 <downeym> yeah perhaps
18:33:55 <Mkop> is TTL something I set with the people who own the NS, or the registrar?
18:34:16 <downeym> it's in your zone file - where your other dns entries are made
18:34:34 <downeym> TTL is actually set for each and every dns record
18:35:02 <Mkop> I think we bought the domain from godaddy, and then told godaddy to use josthost.com's nameservers
18:35:14 <Mkop> now, I create subdomains from within cpanel
18:35:16 <downeym> ok then you need to talk to josthost
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18:35:47 <downeym> Mkop: godaddy can manager your dns too, if you want it to
18:36:36 <Mkop> so if I want to create a new subdomain.klm-computing.com, I'd create it in godaddy and then tell it to use the justhost NS for that subdomain?
18:36:51 <Mkop> or I'd need to manually tell it whatever the justhost NS has?
18:36:57 * chopin likes godaddy dns
18:37:18 <downeym> Mkop: it's not possible with godaddy, but DNS *could* theoretically allow that. but i wouldn't recommend it because it gets too complicated :)
18:37:53 <downeym> my recommendation is to manage an entire domain in one system
18:37:57 <Mkop> I think keeping DNS and hosting with the same people is probably easiest for now
18:38:22 <Mkop> yeah, that's what I'm doing, only problem is that that system doesn't allow me to do things like set TTL
18:38:27 <downeym> ahh yes
18:38:35 <downeym> find a new host :P
18:39:36 <Mkop> you have a suggestion for a company offering unlimited hosting for $5/mo?
18:39:55 <downeym> 1&1 ;-)
18:41:14 <bwolfe> Mkop: unlimited bandwidth or unlimited disk space?
18:41:20 <Mkop> both
18:41:27 <downeym> personally i use mediatemple lately
18:41:27 <Mkop> though bandwidth is not much of a concern
18:42:27 <downeym> "unlimited" is never really unlimited
18:47:16 <bwolfe> Mkop: I could give you about 5gb of space and unlimited bandwidth for $5 a month. (comes with a cpanel + fantastico)
18:50:25 <Mkop> bwolfe: unlimited subdomains?
18:51:13 <bwolfe> Mkop: yep
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18:51:29 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13291]: nbsmodule * added storeObs rule <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13291> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13290]: chirdlutil * updated version number to reflect previous commit <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13290> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13289]: chirdlutil * copied chica saveObs util method and removed the chica … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13289>
18:53:38 <bwolfe> Mkop: I have a reseller account on godaddy for my domains. its just one box for my friends/family that have websites.
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19:51:43 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #2322 (task created): HL7InErrors should be created in HL7Service <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/2322>
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20:35:45 <bwolfe> downeym++ for integrating balsimiq into jira already
20:36:10 <bwolfe> hmm, probalby has to be on its own line:
20:36:12 <bwolfe> downeym++
20:36:40 <downeym> i don't think balsamiq++ has to be on its own line
20:36:44 <downeym> !karma balsamiq
20:36:44 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: Karma for "balsamiq" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:36:49 <downeym> ;-)
20:37:07 <bwolfe> yes, I think balsamiq++ does
20:37:13 <bwolfe> !karma balsamiq
20:37:13 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: Karma for "balsamiq" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:37:55 <bwolfe> downeym: your test there needed a "sanity check" for the existing karma :-)
20:38:07 <downeym> fail
20:38:10 <downeym> downeym--
20:38:10 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
20:40:23 * chopin goes home
20:40:33 <chopin> downeym: didn't hear a peep from you about lunch today!
20:40:48 <downeym> chopin: was i supposed to peep?
20:41:04 <downeym> wyclif and I went to subway ;-)
20:41:10 <chopin> ah
20:41:23 * chopin had one of nribeka's spicy noodle bowls
20:41:25 * downeym looks around for syhaas
20:41:25 <chopin> ;-)
20:41:43 <chopin> made up time from yesterday (phew)
20:41:51 <chopin> see y'all later
20:41:54 <downeym> l8r
20:42:16 <downeym> bwolfe: mockups plugin will also be present on confluence
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20:49:01 <djazayeri> !karma balsamiq
20:49:01 <OpenMRSBot> djazayeri: Karma for "balsamiq" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:49:26 <djazayeri> Balsamiq is the bomb.
20:49:40 <djazayeri> (Also, my favorite kind of vinegar)
20:50:24 <downeym> i like honey vinegar
20:52:00 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13294]: Modified unit test to not reference web specific classes <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13294> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13293]: logic: Moving web specific references to web module application context … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13293> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13292]: nbsmodule * added consume method based on chica consume * added parameter … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13292>
20:52:02 <downeym> today is RAM's birthday
21:07:41 <bwolfe> RAM?
21:07:46 <bwolfe> The Ram ?
21:12:18 <downeym> you know --- ram
21:12:21 <downeym> random access memory lol
21:12:31 <downeym> http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/05/0511magnetic-core-memory
21:12:35 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/6ZKu> (at www.wired.com)
21:19:31 <Mkop> downeym: have you switched to use non-physical RAM yet? http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
21:20:09 <downeym> downloading more ram is against university policy :)
21:21:26 <Mkop> as long as you stay within your bandwidth quota it should be OK, no?:
21:22:09 <bwolfe> downeym: sweet, thanks! I clicked on 4gb 5 times. now I have 20 gb of ram. I think I'll take out the ram I have in my laptop and sell it on ebay
21:22:15 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13296]: mdrtb: added in utility methods that had been removed but were still … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13296> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [13295]: pihhaiti: updated lib-common with latest version of mdrtb module <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/13295>
21:22:35 <downeym> bwolfe: don't thank me
21:22:49 <downeym> Mkop: will just wait to get home to download more ram
21:22:59 <downeym> wyclif: dood download more ram :)
21:23:47 <wyclif> why?
21:23:54 <downeym> speed up your laptop
21:23:59 <Mkop> bwolfe: I hope you have a 64 bit system.
21:23:59 <downeym> http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
21:24:11 <Mkop> maybe you even need a 65 bit system
21:24:22 <downeym> i have a 128-bit
21:24:34 <Mkop> oh.
21:24:37 <bwolfe> Mkop: uh oh. can I download 1 more bit? I only have a 64bit
21:24:39 <Mkop> then you can download TONS of RAM
21:24:46 <Mkop> hehehehe
21:25:00 <downeym> do i need to upload my old ram to get rid of it?
21:25:05 <Mkop> I don't know if you can download that.
21:25:17 <Mkop> downeym: only if you want to donate it for others.
21:25:20 <downeym> i mean if i want to swap it out for new
21:25:31 <downeym> my ram may have a virus
21:25:34 <Mkop> you can put it in the recycle bin.
21:26:32 <Mkop> downeym: can you take an old CPU, smash it, and give a piece to bwolfe? He needs one more bit to handle the downloadable RAM.
21:26:39 <downeym> you mean trash (mac)
21:26:56 <downeym> Mkop: shhh, it's waiting on his desk for him tomorrow
21:27:00 <Mkop> oh, COOL! Can you download Ram on a mac too?
21:27:01 <downeym> gift
21:27:05 <downeym> yeah you can
21:27:26 <Mkop> downeym: you need to email it to him
21:27:36 <downeym> i'll put it on slashtmp
21:28:06 <Mkop> cat /dev/true >> /dev/CPU
21:35:32 <Mkop> !seen Echidna
21:35:32 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop: Echidna was last seen in #openmrs 4 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Echidna> there should be a wiki page about ubuntu installations, i think
21:35:47 <downeym> !seen syhaas
21:35:47 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: syhaas was last seen in #openmrs 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 4 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <syhaas> firzhan, umashanthi, you know each other?
21:36:00 <downeym> !seen nribeka
21:36:00 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: nribeka was last seen in #openmrs 4 hours, 9 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <nribeka> what happen to link james_regen?
21:36:23 <downeym> !seen sunbiz
21:36:23 <OpenMRSBot> downeym: sunbiz was last seen in #openmrs 5 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <sunbiz> hey robbyoconnor
21:36:35 <Mkop> I remember when Keelhaul was around here all the time
21:40:20 <downeym> Mkop: the best domain i ever owned was doubleslashdotcom.com
21:46:23 <bwolfe> downeym: I have closedmrs.com :-)
21:46:30 <downeym> sweet
21:46:43 <bwolfe> haven't actually done anything with it...
21:49:37 <downeym> redirect to allscripts.com? :)
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21:56:09 <downeym> bwolfe: found new music for thursday call ... http://www.retroaudiolab.com/audio/driveinrecord1.mp3
21:56:12 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/6ZME> (at www.retroaudiolab.com)
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