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<pascal`> cool
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<pascal`> *and for excruciating detail: http://virtualafrica.co.za/virtual-tours-of-south-africa/highest-definition-picture-ever-taken-of-cape-town-how-we-did-it/
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<chopin> http://virtualafrica.co.za/virtual-tours-of-south-africa/highest-definition-picture-ever-taken-of-cape-town-how-we-did-it/
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<downeym> nice!
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<downeym> chopin you will have to compare it in september
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<chopin> ah!
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<pascal`> *imperial measurements
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<danielf> alrighty (=
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<jmiranda> downeym, i think the information architecture issue is huge ... we didn't design it very well at the beginning so we now have a lot of crap on the wiki
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<jmiranda> chopin, not sure what you mean by that?
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<chopin> jmiranda: "Yes. In one way or another, you can actu"
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<jmiranda> oooh
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<jmiranda> chopin, thanks :)
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<Zabil> jmiranda, downeym don't know how this will help, but we at thoughtworks would like to help out if you look for a planning, dev, ticket management tool space in the form of http://www.thoughtworks-studios.com/mingle-agile-project-management and it is free for open source projects
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/5$v4> (at www.thoughtworks-studios.com)
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<jmiranda> Zabil, i evaluated mingle while working with mifos on sharing best practices for Agile planning
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<jmiranda> downeym, i liked mingle as well ... simple UI like trac, but with way more features and it's Agile out-of-the-box
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<Zabil> jmiranda we have been using mingle for a while in other projects at thoughtworks it is helped us a lot.
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<Zabil> jmiranda. yes. it has plugin arch and there is an api you can extend on.
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<jmiranda> downeym, and one extension to the "persona" concept
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<jmiranda> is to also take a "facility profile" look at openmrs
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<jmiranda> e.g. if you are a small clinic that spends most of your time dealing with disease X, then your instance of openmrs might look like this
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<jmiranda> downeym, ... or if you are a hospital that houses 4 wards (peds, TB, etc) / 100 beds then you might want to configure openmrs this way
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<jmiranda> hamish brought this up a few months ago and i think it's a brilliant idea
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<chopin> jmiranda: ... and "here's the known implementers that can help"
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<jmiranda> chopin, yes!
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<jmiranda> chopin, we should be able to ship distributions that have a pre-canned concept dictionary and logic rules / reports that use that concept dictionary
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<jmiranda> downeym, re: colors ... let's swap the color of Users and Decision-Makers
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<jmiranda> "In human color psychology, purple is also associated with royalty and nobility (stemming from classical antiquity when Tyrian Purple was only affordable to the elites)."
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<jmiranda> in my mind, our Users are our royalty and nobility
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<downeym> yes i struggled with that
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<jmiranda> and swap the colors (Developers, Implementers) ... our Implementers are Gold :)
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<downeym> haha
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<downeym> remember to look from the outside in, not the inside out
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<jmiranda> downeym, good start with this proposal
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<downeym> sorry that i've missed most of this discussion here, will be scrolling back and re-reading
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<jmiranda> downeym, no worries - i was just making comments here while you were talking so i didn't interrupt your flow
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<pascal`> woah, missed all this tody
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<pascal`> today
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<openmrs_web175> Hello.
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<openmrs_web175> just wondering if there are any translations already done for openmrs?
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<jmiranda> openmrs_web175, french, spanish
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<openmrs_web175> i was looking at the translations wiki page but it didnt say anything about which ones were already done...
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<jmiranda> openmrs_web175, not sure how good the translations are, but Partners In Health has very high standards for the French used in our paper forms used in Rwanda
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<openmrs_web175> those 2 are included in the openmrs install already?
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<jmiranda> openmrs_web175, check out the demo
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<jmiranda> http://demo.openmrs.org/openmrs/index.htm
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<jmiranda> looks like English US and UK, Spanish, Portuguese, and French
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<jmiranda> and Italian
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<openmrs_web175> ahh its on the bottom!!
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<jmiranda> i'd have to look at the code to see how complete those are
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<jmiranda> openmrs_web175, are you looking for a specific language/locale?
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<openmrs_web175> french
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<openmrs_web175> sorry for wait
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<openmrs_web175> if anything we'll addon to it
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<jmiranda> downeym, just found this
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<jmiranda> pretty interesting
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<jmiranda> http://www.liamdelahunty.com/tips/usability_bbc_redesign_the_glass_wall.php
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/5$yX> (at www.liamdelahunty.com)
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<jmiranda> downeym, could be a good model / example for what you're doing
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<downeym> jmiranda: Thanks for finding that ... believe it or not that very BBC redesign is what got me to do an HCI grad program several years back :)
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<downeym> I had forgotten about it, looking forward to re-read it
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<jmiranda> downeym, interesting
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<Mkop> it's been long in coming. last year after I didn't get accepted to gsoc I thought about doing a documentation overhaul.
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<chopin> can anyone find the video that bwolfe made demonstrating FormEntry / InfoPath?
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<Mkop> chopin: ^^ is it there?
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<chopin> ah, nvm
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<chopin> Mkop: thanks! um ...
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<chopin> Mkop: it's this one: v
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<chopin> http://blip.tv/file/1512192
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<chopin> not labeled as i had expected
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<chopin> ah, Mkop: it is in the list
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<chopin> just ... not called "formentry demo" ;-)
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<downeym> Overheard from nribeka "I don't think we code anything"
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<Mkop> downeym: what does that mean?
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<downeym> Mkop: no clue :)
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<Mkop> nribeka: ^^
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<nribeka> i was just saying, i don't think we code the cache. well Jeremy just show me a cache-ing code in the AdminService :)
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