IRC Chat : 2009-08-11 - OpenMRS

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00:41:36 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9728]: ncd: Related to ticket 1709, requirement: "add capability to hide, unhide … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9728>
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00:47:14 <uofl17> is this project still ongoing and active?
00:56:16 <r0bby> uofl17: very much so
00:56:38 <uofl17> any developers welcome or is it geared more towards students?
00:56:55 <r0bby> !tickets
00:56:55 <OpenMRSBot> r0bby: "tickets" --- OpenMRS bugs and enhancement requests are tracked through tickets: http://dev.openmrs.org/report
00:57:11 <r0bby> !getstarted
00:57:11 <OpenMRSBot> r0bby: "getstarted" --- http://openmrs.org/wiki/Step-by-Step_Installation_for_Developers
00:57:16 <r0bby> hrm wrong link
00:57:39 <r0bby> http://dev.openmrs.org/report/20
00:57:40 <r0bby> there ya go
00:57:42 <r0bby> dig in :)
00:58:13 <r0bby> Owned by somebody means somebody has taken it on already
00:58:16 <uofl17> thanks looks like an interesting project
00:58:45 <r0bby> it definitely is
00:58:47 <r0bby> !projects
00:58:47 <OpenMRSBot> r0bby: "projects" --- (#1) http://projects.openmrs.org, or (#2) http://openmrs.org/wiki/Unassigned_Projects
00:58:54 <r0bby> peek at those also
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01:13:40 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1709 (enhancement closed): Exception Handling Page <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1709#comment:3>
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03:21:49 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: New to OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=487#p1768>
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06:33:55 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: New to OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=487#p1769>
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11:45:10 <munene> anyone free to give me help on the installation of teh openmrs
11:45:39 <munene> i have got to the point of tomcat but i get this error......http://localhost:8080/manager/html
11:45:49 <nribeka> i'm here munene
11:45:58 <munene> You tried to access the address http://localhost:8080/manager/html, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
11:45:58 <nribeka> what is the error munene?
11:46:09 <munene> thanks nribeka
11:46:28 <nribeka> i think that means your tomcat is not runing munene
11:46:39 <nribeka> what OS are you running?
11:46:44 <munene> i have checked and the icon is green
11:46:48 <munene> windows xp
11:47:24 <nribeka> hmm ...
11:47:38 <nribeka> how about only http://localhost:8080
11:48:59 <munene> same error/....
11:49:05 <munene> lol
11:49:21 <nribeka> and then check the task manager and sort by memory usage. tomcat typically use big chunk of memory
11:49:47 <nribeka> so, if you see java.exe or tomcatw.exe there then that means tomcat is running
11:52:28 <munene> both are running
11:52:44 <nribeka> hmm ... that's odd
11:52:50 <nribeka> how about the log file?
11:53:02 <munene> have ..tomcat6w.exe
11:53:42 <munene> and javaw.exe
11:53:45 <munene> running
11:53:54 <munene> how can i access teh log file??
11:54:05 <nribeka> check under <tomcat-install>/logs/stdout.log or stderr.log or localhost<date>.log
11:55:04 <nribeka> in xp, if you use the installer then you need to check c:/program files/apache group (or something/tomcat<release>/log
11:55:13 <munene> form the command prompt?
11:55:41 <nribeka> you can use win explorer
11:58:12 <munene> Aug 11, 2009 2:01:46 PM org.apache.catalina.core.AprLifecycleListener init INFO: The APR based Apache Tomcat Native library which allows optimal performance in production environments was not found on the java.library.path: C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation\Tomcat 6.0\bin;.;C:\WINDOWS\Sun\Java\bin;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\Program Files\PHP\;C:\Ruby\bin;C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WBEM;C:
11:58:23 <munene> the other logs have nothing .........
11:58:45 <munene> anyway is it possible to help me reinstall .....been trying this for a while with no success
11:58:53 <munene> ??
12:00:18 <munene> anyone to help??
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12:03:46 <munene> nrikeba??
12:04:11 <munene> i would appreciate it to get someone to help with my installation
12:04:46 <bwolfe> munene: fire your question out there. there are a few people here that can help you. :-)
12:05:18 <munene> bwolfe i have a problem with my openmrs installation
12:05:46 <munene> You tried to access the address http://localhost:8080/manager/html, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
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12:05:54 <munene> this is the error message that i get
12:08:00 <bwolfe> munene: is tomcat running?
12:08:30 <munene> yes it is
12:09:21 <bwolfe> hmm, maybe the manager webapp isn't installed. go to your tomcat home directly and look in the "webapps" folder
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12:10:30 <munene_> bwolfe.....its available on my task manager
12:11:07 <munene_> i read abt sthng like the 8080 port can be shared with hp...
12:11:15 <munene_> how do i get to display this??
12:11:28 <munene_> to know and then how can i change it??
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12:11:35 <bwolfe> munene: maybe tomcat is running on a different port already
12:11:50 <munene_> how do u know this
12:12:04 <bwolfe> munene_: look in that task manager to see if it says in there...I can't remember what windows does
12:12:20 <bwolfe> munene_: or you can look in the tomcat home directory in the "conf" folder at the server.xml file
12:12:29 <bwolfe> I think it defines the ports to use in there
12:13:06 <munene_> sad say...i guess i will not succeed...the configuration is really hard for me
12:13:45 <nribeka> eh munene, sorry ...
12:14:31 <nribeka> i think you need to kill the process to see the log munene_
12:14:43 <nribeka> sometime it happens like that
12:14:58 <munene_> trying to reinsatll the tomcat...
12:15:10 <munene_> should it go to the jre 6 directory or other
12:16:25 <nribeka> what should go to the jre 6 dir munene_? i'm not following you. it should detect it automatically
12:16:44 <munene_> the tomcat application...
12:17:14 <munene_> it detects jre 6 automatically
12:17:16 <nribeka> nope,you can install it at normal places
12:17:36 <munene_> but the folder has jdk....and and jre 1.6.6_02
12:17:54 <munene_> what do u mean nribeka
12:18:42 <nribeka> i mean you can install the tomcat to the normal place
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12:28:37 <munene_> well i am open to any advise
12:28:52 <munene_> on this problem....reinsalling doesnt help
12:28:55 <munene_> You tried to access the address http://localhost:8080/manager/html, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
12:31:01 <bwolfe> nribeka: look at your tomcat manager thing. does it say in there anywhere the port that tomcat is using? If it does, tell munene_ where to look in there
12:31:59 <nribeka> munene_, you need to open the server.xml
12:32:51 <nribeka> and then you need to check to which port the http protocol is mapped to
12:34:45 <nribeka> <Connector port="8080" protocol="HTTP/1.1" connectionTimeout="20000" redirectPort="8443" />
12:34:53 <nribeka> something like that munene_
12:38:18 <munene_> so i redirect the port??
12:38:58 <nribeka> you can change it to 8181 or 8282 or 8888 and then restart tomcat and try to open the page again
12:40:26 <munene_> TP/1.1 Connector on port 8080 --> <Connector port="8080" protocol="HTTP/1.1" connectionTimeout="20000" redirectPort="8443" /> <!-- A "Connector" using the shared thread pool--> <!-- <Connector executor="tomcatThreadPool" port="8080" protocol="HTTP/1.1" connectionTimeout="20000" redirectPort="8443" /> --> <!-- Def
12:40:38 <munene_> thats teh message i get
12:41:14 <nribeka> can you use pastie.org to paste all the message?
12:42:06 <nribeka> did you change the port from 8080 to 8181 (or something else)?
12:43:01 <munene_> no i have not changed the port
12:43:05 <munene_> here is teh message
12:43:08 <munene_> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> <!-- Licensed to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) under one or more contributor license agreements. See the NOTICE file distributed with this work for additional information regarding copyright ownership. The ASF licenses this file to You under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. You may o
12:43:30 <munene_> its not complete....where can i send the message to you
12:43:54 <nribeka> you can email or use pastie.org
12:44:14 <nribeka> nyoman[dot]ribeka[at]gmail[dot]com
12:47:07 <munene_> did you get it?
12:47:16 <nribeka> yep
12:47:17 <nribeka> got it
12:48:06 <nribeka> where are you currently standing? are you opening the server.xml file right now?
12:49:07 <munene_> yes
12:49:31 <nribeka> ok now try to change that port setting
12:49:42 <nribeka> go to the line with 8080
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12:49:54 <munene_> i see it has redirected to 8443?
12:50:00 <munene_> do i try that first??
12:50:13 <nribeka> nope you don't have to
12:50:37 <nribeka> we just need to change the 8080 to 8888
12:50:50 <munene_> ok
12:50:53 <nribeka> and then save the file and then restart tomcat :)
12:50:59 <munene_> so where do i go to change this
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12:52:41 <nribeka> what do you use to open the file right now?
12:52:58 <munene_> notepad
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12:53:32 <nribeka> you go down to line 67 and you will see the port number there
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12:56:23 <munene_> done
12:56:25 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9729]: updating next version <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9729>
12:56:26 <munene_> what next
12:57:00 <nribeka> restart tomcat munene_
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12:57:22 <nribeka> and try to open the page: http://localhost:8888/
12:57:41 <munene_> You tried to access the address http://localhost:8888/, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page. Make sure your Internet connection is active and check whether other applications that rely on the same connection are working.
12:57:49 <munene_> no success............................
12:58:31 <nribeka> ugh
12:59:51 <nribeka> what tomcat version and java version are you running
13:00:16 <nribeka> java --version (in the command line)
13:02:23 <nribeka> so javaw is running, tomcat6w is running and it's not a port conflict
13:02:44 <nribeka> could you send me the log file?
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13:07:53 <munene_> tomcat 6
13:07:59 <munene_> java jdk 6
13:08:20 <munene_> which log file do you want??
13:08:33 <nribeka_> shutdown the tomcat
13:08:39 <nribeka_> and then check under logs
13:09:02 <nribeka_> localhost* and stderr* and stdout*
13:09:36 <munene_> only
13:09:51 <munene_> log with anything is catalina the rest are not having any problem
13:10:32 <nribeka_> there's no file with that name?
13:10:42 <munene_> i have one
13:10:58 <nribeka_> another thing we can do probably is checking the windows event viewer
13:12:15 <nribeka_> go to control panel --> administrative tools --> event viewer and check the application section and see if there's error from tomcat there?
13:12:55 <munene_> okey just forwarded to you teh catalina log
13:12:56 <munene_> file
13:13:03 <munene_> going to teh control panel
13:14:50 <nribeka_> hmm according to the log file: Address already in use: JVM_Bind
13:15:04 <nribeka_> means the port already in use
13:17:18 <nribeka_> could you kill all java process using task manager?
13:18:52 <munene_> so what do i stop??
13:19:22 <nribeka_> go to the task manager
13:19:30 <nribeka_> and then sort by memory usage
13:19:36 <nribeka_> look for all the java.exe
13:20:29 <nribeka_> you can kill the javaw.exe too
13:20:35 <nribeka_> and tomcat6w.exe too
13:20:36 <munene_> ok
13:20:51 <munene_> let me send you a copy of teh processes on the task manager
13:21:12 <munene_> did you get the event viewer
13:22:20 <nribeka_> yes
13:22:22 <nribeka_> got it
13:22:29 <nribeka_> nothing in there though
13:23:06 <munene_> just sent teh task manager
13:23:42 <nribeka_> kill the javaw.exe too
13:24:55 <munene_> anything else??
13:25:03 <munene_> stopped teh java
13:25:14 <nribeka_> that's all i think. so now re run the tomcat monitor
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13:26:36 <nribeka_> and then start tomcat from the monitor
13:27:01 <munene_> tomcat running
13:27:46 <nribeka_> ok now try to open the page again? http://localhost:<port-that-you-put-into-server.xml-file>
13:28:48 <nribeka_> fingers crossed
13:29:24 <munene_> now it doesnt go to any where
13:29:44 <munene_> just hangs...
13:29:52 <munene_> must i run it form mozilla??
13:30:34 <nribeka_> not have to
13:30:48 <nribeka_> doesn't showing anything?
13:30:49 <munene_> okey i am on opera
13:31:06 <nribeka_> it should be showing the tomcat page
13:31:08 <munene_> no error message but doesnt show anything
13:32:39 <nribeka_> ok, send me another copy of your catalina log now
13:32:46 <nribeka_> probably it's already running
13:32:49 <nribeka_> just to make sure
13:34:16 <munene_> oksent the catalina file
13:37:28 <nribeka_> hmm ... it still has error
13:38:00 <nribeka_> check your server.xml file (open it again) and see what line 27 is
13:38:02 <nribeka_> SEVERE: Parse Fatal Error at line 27 column 2: The markup in the document following the root element must be well-formed.
13:45:39 <munene_> ???
13:45:44 <munene_> cant understand...
13:47:38 <munene_> do u think it could be an error in teh mysql database setup
13:50:35 <nribeka_> nope, it's because of the xml structure is not valid
13:50:42 <nribeka_> well formed
13:50:59 <munene_> so whats the problem??
13:51:01 <nribeka_> the tags is not balance
13:51:06 <munene_> ??
13:51:07 <nribeka_> hold on
13:51:09 <munene_> lost again
13:51:09 <nribeka_> email
13:51:16 <munene_> okey
13:51:45 <munene_> by the way i didnt understand this part...
13:51:47 <munene_> Build the OpenMRS Database Download the latest demo database script Database creation script with some default data
13:52:23 <nribeka_> check you email
13:52:32 <nribeka_> your email
13:52:35 <munene_> becasue everytime itried to download the database script it was unsuccessful
13:55:12 <munene_> i have replaced it and started the tomcat...
13:55:23 <munene_> nothing is displaye
13:55:26 <munene_> d
13:55:44 <munene_> i guess i am tired and dont wanna do anything else on teh same......
13:55:55 <munene_> 12 hrs ltear with no success...
13:55:59 <munene_> later
13:57:08 <nribeka_> i'm so sorry :(
13:57:15 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: error message <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=488#p1771> || OpenMRS Forum: error message <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=488#p1770>
13:57:25 <nribeka_> this is where you download the latest openmrs
13:57:26 <nribeka_> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Downloads
13:58:05 <munene_> been there..
13:58:36 <munene_> is there a single installation package??
14:00:17 <nribeka_> i think there's an installer for openmrs
14:00:20 <nribeka_> hold on
14:00:31 <nribeka_> jmiranda, what is the status of the openmrs installer?
14:01:00 <jmiranda> hey nribeka_
14:01:08 <jmiranda> let me check
14:01:21 <jmiranda> i haven't used it in a while, but it was stable as of 6 months ago
14:01:45 <jmiranda> i imagine that it installs either a 1.3 or 1.4 version
14:02:40 <jmiranda> here's the project page
14:02:41 <jmiranda> http://openmrs.org/wiki/OpenMRS_Installer_Project
14:02:43 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/3sN5> (at openmrs.org)
14:02:46 <jmiranda> last update in january
14:04:13 <nribeka_> munene_, got some problem with tomcat
14:04:20 <nribeka_> do you have any suggestion jmiranda?
14:04:48 <nribeka_> and i call you because i will ask some question about the logicathon thing :)
14:04:53 <jmiranda> yeah, it's confusing because there are a couple of installers
14:05:07 <jmiranda> let me read through your conversation to get some more context
14:05:32 <jmiranda> hey munene_
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14:06:27 <nribeka_> ups munene ran away
14:06:37 <nribeka_> i tried to change the port setting
14:06:42 <nribeka_> not working
14:13:30 <jmiranda> yeah, it sounds like he should remove any non-essential tomcat apps from webapps
14:13:32 <jmiranda> and start from there
14:13:37 <jmiranda> at least get tomcat running
14:14:01 <jmiranda> nribeka_, ask him to remove openmrs from webapps change the port back to 8080 and restart
14:15:00 <nribeka_> i send him a server.xml and revert back the port to 8080 and restart
14:15:04 <nribeka_> but still not working
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14:29:49 <dr_love> hi all
14:31:04 <dr_love> will you still rquire infopath after the forms have been designed? or can you be free of it once you've deployed the forms?
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14:58:38 <jmiranda> dr_love, sorry for the delay
14:59:26 <jmiranda> infopath is required for the formentry module (both design and filling out)
14:59:34 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9731]: formentry: Creating relationship branch for updating relationships through … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9731> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9730]: Creating relationship branch to add HL7 NK1 segment support <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9730>
15:00:01 <jmiranda> however, there's a form entry module, called html form entry, that doesn't require infopath
15:01:05 <jmiranda> dr_love, hypothetically if you had one of those microsoft document servers you could deploy the form there and server it up as "html"
15:01:11 <jmiranda> at least, that's my understanding
15:01:44 <jmiranda> but there's no way for openmrs (at the moment) to strip the XSN (the form package) and serve up an HTML form
15:02:40 <jmiranda> dr_love, by the way when I said "microsoft document server", i mean sharepoint
15:02:48 <jmiranda> couldn't think of that off the top of my head
15:04:24 <jmiranda> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepointserver/HA102150351033.aspx
15:04:36 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/3sOf> (at office.microsoft.com)
15:04:41 <jmiranda> for the record, i am NOT recommending this as a solution
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15:05:23 <jmiranda> I would like to move away from dependencies on proprietary software, so i would recommend helping us make the html and xforms form entry modules better
15:07:43 <pascal`> jmiranda, I agree
15:08:21 <pascal`> I would actually like to see a codathon/hackathon during the implementers meeting (or the week before) focusing on the html form entry module
15:09:24 <pascal`> well, I think it would be useful, and maybe another one for your the 1.5 reporting or BIRT module
15:10:56 <rcrichton> Hi guys, I've got a bit of a problem. I need a module portlet on the patient dashboard to refresh when I add a drug regimen. Anyone got any ideas?
15:11:23 <rcrichton> Nothing I have tried has woked out so far
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15:17:34 <pascal`> rcrichton, I think you might be able to do that via the controller
15:18:21 <jmiranda> pascal`, that sounds good to me
15:18:36 <jmiranda> pascal`, we'll probably be in cape town for a few days, so we can start the hack-a-thon there
15:19:32 <jmiranda> rcrichton, a full page refresh doesn't work?
15:19:33 <pascal`> jmiranda, I was thinking something like, you guys do a kind of tech tutorial for us on day 1... overing random topics, and then maybe another day about form entry and reporting... and then some time where we can all just do some focused coding
15:20:09 <jmiranda> pascal`, yeah that sounds good to me
15:20:16 <pascal`> jmiranda, but I think Carl wants us to actually code on our current projects, but I know that I have html form entry stuff and reporting stuff in all my projects
15:20:48 <jmiranda> pascal`, i would love to work on something non-reporting related for a change :)
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15:21:14 <pascal`> jmiranda, well, maybe you can work on form entry :)
15:21:15 <jmiranda> be right back
15:21:22 <jmiranda> yeah, that's what i was thinking
15:21:37 <jmiranda> darius and i could switch roles for a week
15:21:40 * jmiranda is away: and i'm audi 5
15:21:57 <pascal`> jmiranda, we have a page at http://wiki.jembi.org/index.php/Pre_OMRS_Training, it would be cool if you could take a look at it and maybe add some ideas?
15:22:39 <jmiranda> pascal`, i'll take a look
15:22:48 <pascal`> in fact, bwolfe_, mkulumadzi, maybe you guys can look too? ^
15:23:21 * mkulumadzi will take a look
15:23:42 <bwolfe_> pascal`: its spelled liquibase :-)
15:23:54 <pascal`> bwolfe_, I know (=
15:24:13 <pascal`> mkulumadzi, perhaps you should mail -> http://openmrs.org/wiki/2009_Implementers_Group_Meeting <- to Gerre?
15:24:16 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/3sPq> (at openmrs.org)
15:24:24 <bwolfe_> pascal`: carl doesn't :-p
15:24:31 <mkulumadzi> sounds good
15:24:45 <pascal`> bwolfe_, well, he isn't a developer, so I think we can forgive him :)
15:25:08 <bwolfe_> pascal`: no, no forgiveness is granted
15:26:09 <pascal`> bwolfe_, well, when I get back to Cape Town I'll administer 50 lashings
15:26:58 <bwolfe_> excellent
15:27:31 <Echidna> is that common in south africa?
15:28:05 <bwolfe_> pascal`: can you add more descriptions to the wiki page? what does "Extension of Hibernate in OpenMRS " mean? what does "OpenMRS Database extensions " mean?
15:29:25 <pascal`> bwolfe_, those weren't my ideas, but I'll try and find out more for the rest of them and put in some detail
15:29:49 <pascal`> but put up any other ideas you might have
15:38:05 <Echidna> bwolfe_, i need to partake in your endless wisdom once again
15:38:42 <bwolfe_> ok
15:39:18 <Echidna> bwolfe_: if modules include a bunch of jars from trunk for unit testing etc
15:39:46 <Echidna> should they add them from trunk or from the branch version required to run the module
15:39:59 <Echidna> since jars between 1.4 and trunk many differ, for example
15:41:20 <bwolfe_> Echidna: I suggest adding jars from the same branch version of hte api you are using
15:41:40 <bwolfe_> there might be some requirements in the api on those jars and things might not work right
15:41:48 <Echidna> ok
15:42:05 <bwolfe_> Echidna: I suggest you just link to them in the .classpath though instead of copying jars over into lib-common
15:44:36 <Echidna> yes, thats what i meant
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15:45:08 <Echidna> but i figured people mostly check out trunk and dont have the other branches of the core in their workspace
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15:56:30 <jmiranda> pascal`, i agree with ben about descriptions
15:56:47 <pascal`> jmiranda, me too
15:56:50 <jmiranda> i just assumed that "Database extension" was "extending a core database table"
15:57:25 <jmiranda> but i could be wrong, so it would be nice to get some more context from the original poster
15:57:40 <pascal`> jmiranda,bwolfe, I think that was mentioned by rcrichton, I think he just wanted to know the extent to which we could use hibernate from modules
15:58:03 <pascal`> he knows about the sqldiff files, but I just think he had some questions about what else is possible
16:01:20 <pascal`> in any case, those were just some rough ideas thought up in a 5 minute meeting. I think we'd really like your guys input though
16:01:35 <jmiranda> pascal`, and ask everyone to add some specific questions
16:01:41 <pascal`> about what kind of training / agenda have been useful in the past
16:01:50 <pascal`> jmiranda, I will do
16:01:58 <jmiranda> pascal`, no mention of the reporting API
16:02:11 <jmiranda> i know that's on your list :)
16:03:02 <jmiranda> pascal`, we should also have a discussion about the future direction of core openmrs
16:03:15 <pascal`> jmiranda, yes that's true, I just don't really have any specific questions yet because I'm stil to dive into the world of reports and cohorts and the like
16:03:15 <jmiranda> some of the projects that we'd like to get started or have already started
16:03:30 <jmiranda> that will/should be in openmrs 2.0
16:03:30 <pascal`> jmiranda, I'd love to be involved in a discussion of that naute
16:03:42 <pascal`> *nature
16:03:48 <pascal`> jmiranda, I'm in malawi
16:03:52 <jmiranda> pascal`, re: reporting ... i just meant we should add that as a topic
16:04:00 <pascal`> at the moment, so I'll be having all sorts of questions very soon
16:04:11 <pascal`> jmiranda, yeah I know
16:04:12 <jmiranda> we might get to discuss it enough before the conference
16:04:18 <pascal`> I'll add it quick
16:04:39 <pascal`> i think we'll be discussing it on friday... =O I need to get up to speed quickly
16:04:42 <jmiranda> but it would be nice to open the conversation up to ben and some of your fellow developers
16:04:49 <jmiranda> so we know that we're on the right track
16:05:00 <jmiranda> so less of a training and more of an evaluation
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16:08:51 <jmiranda> hey bwolfe with a tail
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16:08:56 <pascal`> jmiranda, well, I hope most conversations will go that way. i.e. a bit of training and catchup, and then more
16:09:23 <pascal`> also, I've added a reporting sections on that training page
16:10:04 <pascal`> i really need to get up to speed first though
16:11:13 <jmiranda> pascal`, start looking at the API and give us some suggestions on what to document
16:11:31 <jmiranda> my original documentation has changed a lot since we started
16:11:46 <jmiranda> sorry, the API has changed a lot since the original docs were written
16:12:03 <jmiranda> and i had a very dataset-centric view of reporting
16:12:26 <jmiranda> whereas mike brought in a lot of his ideas wrt to indicators/dimensions from working on haiti reporting
16:14:05 <pascal`> ok
16:14:11 <pascal`> i will take a look
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17:39:15 <pascal`> :D\-< :D|-< :D/-<
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17:42:56 <pascal`> hey Mkop
17:43:05 <Mkop> hi pascal`
17:43:08 <Mkop> you're up late, no?
17:43:19 <Mkop> well, not so late to be up, but late to be at work
17:43:46 <pascal`> yeah, I'm away from home, so I have nothing better to do than hang out with you guys :)
17:44:44 <pascal`> plus I have an assignment due =S
17:44:54 <Mkop> hehe
17:45:03 <Mkop> I get to work in C++ today
17:45:07 <Mkop> fun fun
17:45:22 <Mkop> and I get to read code written by wonderful people who really know how to code
17:45:25 <Mkop> </sarcasm>
17:49:24 <Mkop> the code is in a directory src/bin
17:49:34 <Mkop> an oxymoron if ever I saw one
17:53:26 <pascal`> er
17:53:39 <pascal`> i don't think code should ever be in /bin
17:54:06 <Mkop> you're right
17:54:09 <Mkop> of course
17:54:13 <Mkop> code should also have comments
17:54:20 <Mkop> methods should have descriptive names
17:54:27 <pascal`> and should not be written in C++ (=
17:54:31 <Mkop> programmers should have brains
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18:17:27 <Mkop> even comments like //written by Joe 8/6/09 would be helpful becuase then I'd know who wrote this crap
18:18:32 <pascal`> well
18:18:38 <pascal`> i'm guessing they dont use source control?
18:19:29 <Mkop> ha!
18:20:02 <Mkop> I had to fight to get to use source control for my own code in a private repo, on a server that already has svn server running
18:20:04 <pascal`> well you could always search and replace variable/method names as you go alone
18:20:12 <pascal`> *along
18:20:18 <pascal`> ... just to make things easier for ourself
18:20:25 <Mkop> if I can figure out what's going on....
18:22:01 <pascal`> :%s/x/the_variable_formally_know_as_x/g
18:38:36 * r0bby goes postal
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18:39:19 * r0bby kicks IDEA
18:39:26 <r0bby> it's slow as dirt right now
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18:39:57 * Mkop hugs vim
18:40:08 <r0bby> it's me entire system actually
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18:43:49 <pascal`> is your system turing you Irish?
18:43:51 <pascal`> o.O
18:44:01 <Mkop> caps makes vim act strange
18:44:07 <Mkop> caps lock*
18:44:31 <pascal`> Mkop, yeah it's a different mode
18:44:39 <pascal`> kinda the same, but some things are slighly different
18:44:45 <Mkop> caps lock?
18:44:45 <pascal`> that's only in escape mode of course
18:44:49 <Mkop> no....
18:44:49 <pascal`> yup
18:44:53 <pascal`> in escape mode
18:44:58 <pascal`> or visual mode
18:45:05 <Mkop> it means that when I try to hit j instead it does J which is something entirely different
18:45:07 <pascal`> should do anything strange in insert mode
18:45:14 <pascal`> ...
18:45:19 <Mkop> I'm talking about in command mode
18:45:34 <Mkop> in insert/replace mode obviously it wouldn't screw with anything other than being in caps
18:46:36 <pascal`> well the same for command mode i would guess
18:46:48 <pascal`> i mean, some commands require captial letters, so that's what happens...
18:46:55 <pascal`> or does something else happend as well?
18:47:08 <Mkop> no, it's just that it enters command in capitals
18:47:14 <Mkop> which is mighty confusing until you figure it out
18:47:32 <Mkop> (is that a SAnism? "mighty confusing")
18:48:01 <r0bby> pascal`: it's not turning me irish
18:48:03 <r0bby> i *AM* irish
18:48:16 <r0bby> my last name is O'Connor :P
18:48:46 <pascal`> Mkop, no, I don't think that's a South Africanism
18:49:03 <pascal`> sounds more like an americanism
18:49:12 <r0bby> pascal`: *smack*
18:49:14 <r0bby> I'm bored
18:49:18 <r0bby> well not boref
18:49:20 <r0bby> just giddy
18:50:48 <pascal`> [20:40] <+r0bby> it's me entire system actually
18:51:01 <pascal`> r0bby, that's what I was referring to ^
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18:51:41 <r0bby> bwolfe_ !
18:51:50 <r0bby> pascal`: I know
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18:52:07 <r0bby> me entire system is lagging
18:52:08 <bwolfe> yes...?
18:52:14 <r0bby> :)
18:52:21 <r0bby> arr!
18:52:29 <r0bby> mmm talk like a pirate day is sooN!
18:52:30 <r0bby> :D
18:52:38 <pascal`> yarrrghghg
18:53:08 <r0bby> the dude who started it was on Wife Swap
18:59:25 <pascal`> Wench Swap?
18:59:35 <nribeka__> bwolfe, reference rule will not always in form of %% now?
18:59:50 <Mkop> nribeka__: nice tail!
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19:00:02 <nribeka__> haha thanks Mkop
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19:00:34 <Mkop> I was waiting for /me wags his tail
19:00:43 <nribeka> thanks to you Mkop now i lost all my tail :(
19:00:57 <Mkop> wow! I pulled it clean off!
19:01:17 <nribeka> lol
19:03:59 <bwolfe> Mkop: do dogs usually wag their tail when you pull it?? They usually just turn around and bite me when I do that! :-)
19:04:35 <Mkop> how much experience do you have with this?
19:04:39 <Mkop> and who said nribeka is a dog?
19:04:58 * r0bby pulls on bwolfe's tail to see the reaction
19:05:14 <Mkop> r0bby's gonna get bit!
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19:05:25 <Mkop> lol!
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19:05:38 <r0bby> bad dog~!
19:05:43 <bwolfe> sorry, should have been:
19:05:55 <Mkop> rofl!
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19:06:04 <pascal`> so this is what you guys do when I'm not around?
19:06:12 <pascal`> interesting
19:06:24 <r0bby> this is gonna be interesting
19:06:38 <r0bby> I'm relying on parameters being sent in a specific order :X
19:07:41 <nribeka> hahahaha ... lol
19:07:46 <nribeka> good job bwolfe
19:08:01 <r0bby> I love this project
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19:49:19 <r0bby> bmckown: how often does GC do GC runs while you're working?
19:49:30 <r0bby> (it blocks during those runs)
19:50:05 <r0bby> bmckown: how often does IDEA do GC runs while you're working?
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19:52:20 <bmckown> em.. i don't know. i run the GC manually in idea. and set the vm options higher.
19:53:32 <r0bby> whoa it juyst freed a crapton of memoryt
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20:49:59 <nribeka> Microsoft products are industry standards, demand is high, and support for these products is strong.
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