IRC Chat : 2009-08-06 - OpenMRS

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00:24:08 <r0bby> djazayeri: with the way i'm implementing this i feel bad for the people having to design these :X
00:25:29 <djazayeri> well, yes, but really the priority should be on the end-user who fills out the reports every day, rather than the admin who has to design one every 3 months.
00:25:42 <r0bby> <section name="Equipment Status" description="Monitors the status of various vital pieces of equipment on a daily basis"> <question name="Generator Working" description="" questionId="1"/> </section>
00:25:52 <r0bby> schema will be selected frm a drop-down
00:26:02 <r0bby> and i'll pass that along seperately
00:26:24 <r0bby> I'm learning XPath
00:26:44 <r0bby> it's kinda fun -- thank god for groovy console and its ability to add jars to the classpath on the fly :D
00:28:13 <r0bby> you see -- this is where groovy will help me heaps -- they have a super easy way to parse XML
00:28:33 <r0bby> I'd have the method to parse the file out done by now if i used it :)
00:43:27 <djazayeri> r0bby, isn't this being stored in tables though? where is the xml coming from?
00:44:06 <r0bby> djazayeri: it's used purely for covenience
00:44:37 <r0bby> I'm processing it and storing the data then basically discarding it
00:45:21 <r0bby> I don't feel like changing the data model again
00:45:32 <r0bby> this is just easier and gets it out the door
00:45:50 <r0bby> even if it's horribly slow -- (hopefully not *TOO* bad)
00:47:52 <r0bby> I suppose i could store the XML -- but the idea is to have one <section></section> per section then i guess i'll rebuild it when I load the page and throw it in the form
00:48:13 <r0bby> (I seriously don't trust myself to not do something insanely stupid)
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02:48:56 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1718 (defect created): Poor viewing in windows explorer <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1718>
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04:25:01 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Creating Database without Demo Data <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=485#p1763> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Error opening Basic Form via dashboard <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=340#p1762>
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07:05:02 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Creating Database without Demo Data <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=485#p1764>
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07:16:03 <r0bby> harshini: hey L)
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07:19:12 <Mkop> r0bby: still up?
07:27:47 <r0bby> Mkop: yeh
07:28:00 <r0bby> trying tgo get this REALLY crappy code finished up
07:28:07 <r0bby> I've just basically finished
07:35:35 <r0bby> this code can blow up in so many places it's not funny
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10:47:19 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9679]: Some Eclipse html/xml validations <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9679>
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12:29:46 <amogha> hi pascal
12:30:22 <pascal`> hey amogha
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12:33:53 <amogha> bwolfe :D
12:34:10 <amogha> was jus looking for you :D
12:35:15 <bwolfe> whats up?
12:35:27 <amogha> i need to set up jboss on my lab
12:35:47 <bwolfe> jboss?
12:35:50 <bwolfe> why?
12:35:51 <amogha> yeah
12:36:02 <amogha> y project is integration of openmrs with openempi
12:36:05 <amogha> my*
12:36:24 <bwolfe> I see
12:36:31 <bwolfe> openempi uses jboss I presume?
12:36:34 <amogha> and openempi runs on jboss and postgreql
12:36:37 <amogha> yeah
12:36:44 <amogha> postgres*
12:37:24 <bwolfe> amogha: ok, are you having trouble with it or are you just asking permission ?
12:37:30 <amogha> ive already transferd my jboss, but when i try to do ./run.sh i get permission
12:37:36 <amogha> denied*
12:38:23 <amogha> right now jboss is in home/amoga
12:38:43 <bwolfe> amogha: you probably have to run it as root
12:38:48 <bwolfe> sudo su ./run.sh
12:38:57 <bwolfe> err
12:39:02 <bwolfe> sudo sh ./run.sh
12:39:22 <amogha> ok ima give it a try jus a sec
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12:43:14 <pascal`> hey bwolfe, jmiranda, upul
12:43:28 <jmiranda> wow, the triple play
12:43:31 <jmiranda> nice work pascal`
12:44:10 <jmiranda> good afternoon to you, sir
12:44:23 <bwolfe> pascal`: just so you know, I don't appreciate having to share my "hey" with jmiranda and upul. those two are sketchy
12:44:42 <jmiranda> bwolfe, define "sketchy"
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12:44:50 <Echidna> hey all
12:45:12 <nribeka> sketchy is so bwolfe
12:45:22 <nribeka> he use that term many times
12:45:57 <bwolfe> sketchy: colorful, scandalous, untrustworthy, smelly. e.g. jmiranda and upul
12:46:08 <amogha> May I know whether postgres is installed?
12:46:23 <jmiranda> bwolfe, ok ... yeah, just wanted to make sure we were using the same definition
12:47:11 <bwolfe> amogha: its probably not. use "sudo yum install postgres". or do "sudo yum list" to see what string to use to install
12:47:41 <pascal`> hey*
12:47:48 <Echidna> is "colorful" a negative term?
12:47:51 <pascal`> * this phrase belongs to bwolfe and bwolfe alone
12:50:44 <bwolfe> Echidna: no, not usually...but I make it one by grouping it with those other ones. :-)
12:51:10 <bwolfe> colorful usually means energetic and peppy
12:52:35 <Echidna> =o
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12:56:30 <pascal`> hey Echidna
12:57:03 <Echidna> hi
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13:09:25 <deadpool> hey bwolfe quick question
13:09:51 <bwolfe> deadpool: yes sir
13:10:21 <deadpool> or anybody for that matter i have a doctor here who wants to know how much openmrs is used for hiv in africa and if it is usefull and all
13:11:18 <deadpool> he wants to know if it would worth the effort to also make openmrs meet the needs for cancer
13:11:50 <bwolfe> deadpool: it is worth it. :-)
13:11:54 <bwolfe> deadpool: let me go work on that
13:11:57 * bwolfe goes to work on it
13:12:02 <bwolfe> deadpool: ok, done
13:12:04 <bwolfe> :-)
13:12:14 <Echidna> openmrs causes cancer
13:12:49 <bwolfe> lol
13:13:12 <deadpool> haha well no he wants to know if it allright because he heard that WHO(who is supporting openmrs) said that it did not meet the needs in africa and that WHO had asked a consulting agency to further develop it non-commercially
13:13:13 <pascal`> deadpool, suggest he comes to the implementers meeting (=
13:13:15 <deadpool> is that true
13:13:49 <bwolfe> deadpool: the concept dictionary lets you define any kind of dataset. most users are HIV because thats the dataset that we ship with openmrs. there are a lot that use it for TB as well
13:14:02 <bwolfe> deadpool: and then theres also the primary care clinics
13:14:33 <deadpool> bwolfe yes i know that and i have told him and that(I was telling the doctor that openmrs can be tailored to any ones needs)
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13:15:06 <bwolfe> deadpool: I would love to know what exactly (or who exactly) said that it didn't meet needs in africa
13:15:20 <deadpool> so is the rumor the doctor heard false?
13:15:45 <Echidna> the defining datasets part is not to be underestimated, though
13:16:12 <deadpool> well defining datasets is not trivial
13:16:55 <bwolfe> deadpool: its two-fold false. :-)_
13:17:31 <bwolfe> deadpool: WHO supports some smaller projects within openmrs...they certainly are not the major supporter
13:18:07 <bwolfe> deadpool: WHO has consultants working on parts of openmrs...but again on smaller projects like developing an installer, developing the MDRTB module, etc
13:18:48 <amogha> bwolfe: i have installed my postgres server but it is running into some problems
13:19:01 <deadpool> so bwolfe i am not trying to say that openmrs is bad and sorry if i offended i didn't mean to but what this doctor said kinda made me a little on edge and stuff and wanted to know if this is true so i can tell the doctor that the effort i have put into it is not waste
13:19:13 <amogha> when i try to initalize my databse it says
13:19:56 <bwolfe> deadpool: heh, np, I understand. I didn't mean to come off as offended.
13:20:03 <amogha> Initializing database: mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_log': File exists
13:20:20 <bwolfe> deadpool: I have not heard anyone regretting their decision to use openmrs yet, so I would say that the doctor heard wrong
13:20:25 <amogha> and when i try to start my service it says i need to intialize my database
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13:20:47 <amogha> i am very new to linux, so can you please help me out?
13:20:52 <deadpool> thanks bwolfe just wanted to make sure
13:20:53 <bwolfe> amogha: do you need to do it as root ?
13:21:13 <Echidna> bwolfe: that person/patient/user redesign scheduled for 1.6, is it gonna happen anytime soon?
13:21:29 <amogha> yes
13:21:35 <bwolfe> Echidna: it needs to. I haven't looked into it really though
13:21:53 <bwolfe> Echidna: it will need to be coded within the next 4-6 weeks probably
13:22:05 <bwolfe> Echidna: do you have some free time? :-)
13:22:05 <Echidna> heh
13:22:25 <Echidna> unfortunately, no =(
13:23:21 <amogha> erm << still lost in settin up my postgres, bwolfe :(
13:24:24 <bwolfe> amogha: paste in the statements you are trying to run
13:24:34 <amogha> oki:D
13:24:58 <amogha> sudo service postgresql initdb
13:25:01 <deadpool> well thanks bwolfe i will ttyl
13:25:04 <deadpool> later all
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13:25:11 <amogha> bye deadpool
13:25:44 <bwolfe> amogha: ok, and then whats the other one?
13:26:00 <amogha> sudo service postgresql start
13:26:35 <bwolfe> hmm
13:26:53 <bwolfe> does google say anything about this?
13:27:10 <amogha> nothing made sense to me
13:27:29 <amogha> but im very new as in using it the first time new to linux...
13:28:04 <bwolfe> amogha: surely googling for " cannot create directory `/var/lib/pgsql/data/pg_log': File exists" should have gotten you an easy answer. :-) no?
13:28:20 <amogha> ahh jus a sec :d
13:33:23 <amogha> i was able to initalize n start it
13:33:56 <amogha> i need to create a user with it, can you tell me how?
13:34:25 <bwolfe> amogha: create a postgres linux user, or a user within the postgres database?
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13:36:25 <upul> Hi jmiranda
13:36:32 <jmiranda> hey upul
13:37:29 <amogha> i want a user within the postgres db
13:37:35 <amogha> hey upul, hey justun
13:37:42 <amogha> justin*
13:37:54 <jmiranda> hey amogha
13:38:08 <upul> jmiranda: i think I will have to select a topic something like 'openmrs causes cancer'
13:38:39 <jmiranda> upul, i'm speechless
13:38:44 <upul> do you think datawarehousing part i can come up with something like that
13:38:50 <upul> hi amogha
13:38:59 <amogha> causes cancer or causes for cancer?
13:42:50 <upul> or openmrs is harmful for HIV
13:43:31 <bwolfe> amogha: I'm not familiar with postgres. I'm assuming you will need to run a postgres command line client (just like mysql has) and then run some postgressql statement. google would help more with that than I can. :-/
13:43:55 <jmiranda> amogha, are you on windows?
13:44:03 <upul> amogha: there's psql -U username -h host
13:44:57 <amogha> yeah justin
13:45:55 <amogha> oh ima try it upul.
13:46:04 <jmiranda> amogha, there's a good admin tool called pgAdmin
13:46:21 <amogha> on linux too?
13:46:22 <jmiranda> the command psql -U username won't create a user for you
13:46:27 <jmiranda> just allows you to login
13:46:29 <amogha> yeah im usin tht on windows
13:46:42 <amogha> im tryin to set up my lab...
13:46:51 <upul> yes it's the client
13:48:16 <jmiranda> upul, is there a root account for postgres?
13:48:19 <jmiranda> i can't remember
13:48:38 <upul> it's usually username: postgres
13:49:03 <jmiranda> oh right
13:49:05 <amogha> when i try to do this:: su - postgres
13:49:21 <amogha> and when i type in password, its sayin its incorrect password
13:49:47 <upul> that's root password it's asking
13:50:08 <upul> prefix with sudo
13:50:12 <bwolfe> amogha: which lab are you on?
13:50:20 <jmiranda> be right back
13:50:20 <amogha> im on lab4, bwolfe
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13:50:53 <upul> nribeka: are you there?
13:51:00 <amogha> upul, this is what i got
13:51:02 <amogha> [amoga@labs4 ~]$ sudo - postgres sudo: '-' requires an argument usage: sudo -V
13:51:18 <upul> i meant sudo su ...
13:51:20 <nribeka> hi upul
13:52:39 <upul> in the patient matching module do you have to say match by first name, last name. Then it'll extract names into a separate table, and take pairs of records and compare them N * N
13:52:56 <upul> nribeka: is it something like that?
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13:54:01 <bwolfe> amogha: does sudo su - postgres work ?
13:54:15 <nribeka> hold on. lemme remember it. is it going to be N * X
13:54:21 <nribeka> ups i mean N * N
13:54:43 <nribeka> it's not going to be N * N upul
13:54:58 <nribeka> there's a blocking mechanism in the patient matching
13:55:10 <amogha> hey nribeka
13:55:19 <nribeka> hi amogha :)
13:55:21 <amogha> nope bwolfe
13:56:13 <bwolfe> error?
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13:56:37 <amogha> jus sayin it cant find the directory home/postgres..
13:56:55 <upul> why do you want to login as postgres?
13:57:10 <amogha> sudo su - postgres We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System Administrator. It usually boils down to these two things: #1) Respect the privacy of others. #2) Think before you type.
13:57:35 <amogha> so i can create my database, my project needs tht upul
13:58:08 <upul> what you need it login to database using psql or pgadmin tool or something
13:59:15 <bwolfe> amogha: sudo mkdir /home/postgres will make that folder
13:59:27 <amogha> bwolfe: sudo su - postgres is askin me to enter a password
13:59:45 <amogha> on windows ive been usin the pgadin tool upul
14:00:10 <bwolfe> amogha: have you created a linux user called postgres already ?
14:00:29 <amogha> not tht im aware of, since i dont know how to create one
14:00:46 <upul> postgres installation creates a postgres user account i think
14:01:17 <Echidna> lunix =/
14:01:24 <amogha> yeah upul....
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14:02:54 <amogha> for the user postgres on server, it asked me to give a password when i do it on windows, i set tht passowrd to root during installation
14:03:06 <amogha> yeah echinda
14:03:10 <amogha> bwolfe :(
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14:04:25 <upul> amogha: can you connect to database with psql -U postgres
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14:04:50 <upul> giving command locally in the machine
14:05:28 <amogha> your back:D
14:06:09 <Echidna> my neck, my back..
14:06:27 <amogha> upul this is what i got :::
14:06:37 <amogha> sudo su psql -U postgres su: invalid option -- U Try `su --help' for more information. [amoga@labs4 ~]$ psql -U postgres psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "postgres"
14:06:55 <upul> nribeka, when comparing records is it comparing records in the same table 1 with 2, 1 with 3...?
14:07:10 <upul> just 'psql -U postgres'
14:07:42 <amogha> tht gave fatal : Ident authentication failed for user "postgres"
14:08:24 <upul> try giving password psql -U postgres -pXXXX try passwords, postgres
14:09:45 <amogha> ive tried with password postgress also, it dint work upul
14:10:20 <upul> how about 'psql -U postgres -p'
14:11:48 <amogha> nope
14:13:14 <upul> oops -p is port
14:13:21 <amogha> yeah
14:13:41 <upul> it's -W
14:14:01 <amogha> so psql -U postgres -W ??
14:14:07 <upul> try
14:14:57 <amogha> psql -U postgres -W Password for user postgres: psql: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "postgres"
14:15:25 <upul> when you say 'psql -U postgres' doesn't it prompt you for password?
14:15:34 <amogha> it does
14:15:41 <amogha> and it doesnt accept any passowrd
14:15:55 <upul> you tried postgres and blank
14:16:01 <amogha> i havent entered any passowrd yet so im confused why its askin for a password?
14:16:35 <upul> try 1. postgres 2. just enter
14:16:51 <amogha> yup jus tried tht, it doesnt work either
14:19:14 <upul> ah you have to psql from postgres account
14:19:29 <amogha> and how do i do tht?
14:20:03 <upul> can you 'sudo su - postgres' if needed give 'sudo mkdir /home/postgres' first
14:20:11 <amogha> ok
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14:21:10 <amogha> sudo su - postgres -bash-3.00$
14:21:33 <upul> psql
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14:22:12 <amogha> i got the interactive terminal
14:22:51 <amogha> 'Welcome to psql 8.3.7, the PostgreSQL interactive terminal.'
14:23:01 <upul> there you can 'create database name'
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14:24:17 <upul> CREATE USER username WITH PASSWORD 'password';
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14:28:43 <amogha> it gave a create role
14:28:51 <amogha> does tht mean it got created?
14:29:04 <amogha> postgres=# CREATE USER openempi WITH PASSWORD 'openempi'; CREATE ROLE
14:31:21 <upul> where did create role come from?
14:34:28 <amogha> next line
14:37:41 <upul> should be ok
14:38:06 <upul> also you have to create database and grant access to the user
14:38:24 <amogha> ok
14:38:53 <amogha> i did createdb openempi2
14:39:25 <upul> grant all privileges on database openempi2 to openempi;
14:39:49 <amogha> i dnt get any statment saying that the operation was succesful
14:40:02 <upul> did you type the last ';'
14:40:44 <amogha> no
14:40:48 <amogha> :-P
14:43:31 <amogha> postgres-# createdb openempi2; ERROR: syntax error at or near "createdb" LINE 1: createdb openempi2
14:44:11 <upul> createdb runs from command line not inside psql
14:44:27 <upul> try create databsae openempi2
14:44:31 <upul> ;
14:46:06 <amogha> postgres=# create database openempi2; CREATE DATABASE
14:46:39 <upul> create database means success
14:46:54 <amogha> ok
14:47:07 <amogha> i even granted the permission to it
14:50:36 <amogha> i have a querry script can u tell me how to run it
14:51:15 <amogha> upul
14:57:00 <bwolfe> amogha: in mysql its: source home/username/scriptname.sql
14:57:13 <amogha> ive done tht and i got an error ben
14:57:30 <amogha> source /home/amoga/openhie.sql; ERROR: syntax error at or near "source" LINE 1: source /home/amoga/openhie.sql;
14:57:52 <nribeka_> psql <source-file> ?
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14:59:47 <amogha> it is giving an erro at psql nribeka
15:00:45 <nribeka> psql -f <source>?
15:00:58 <nribeka> this is from the mother of all knowledge
15:03:18 <upul> psql -U user database < file
15:04:50 <upul> -f also works
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15:06:04 <upul> nribeka: when you said blocking... you mean prevent a=b and b=a?
15:06:28 <amogha> none of them worked
15:06:57 <nribeka> james_regen, need to correct me if i'm wrong here
15:06:58 <upul> amogha: did you give the database name and -U user
15:07:56 <nribeka> blocking is a process where you group rows based on a certain column
15:08:31 <nribeka> so you will have a reference column to group rows. i.e. ssn for US
15:08:43 <nribeka> i hope the wording of it is correct
15:09:16 <amogha> upul: yes
15:09:28 <upul> what does it say
15:09:41 <james_regen> upul: the wording has been changed in the module lately that makes more sense, i think. blocking means "this must match between records"
15:12:05 <james_regen> instead of matching every record with every other, blocking reduces the search space. there are other blocking schemes like sliding windows, but we just use "person1.name = person2.name"
15:12:25 <upul> amogha: those work from command line. inside psql it's \i filename
15:13:35 <amogha> tht seems to work
15:13:37 <amogha> thanks upul :d
15:13:56 <amogha> psql:/home/amoga/openhie.sql:2696: ERROR: must be owner of schema public
15:13:58 <upul> james_regen: so you mean if patients are from 2 states, no need to check names?
15:14:41 <upul> is 2696 the line number?
15:15:04 <amogha> guess so
15:15:11 <james_regen> if state is a field being used for blocking, then the two records (and their names) won't be compared if state does not match exactly
15:15:14 <upul> what's in it?
15:15:17 <amogha> so script error then
15:16:30 <upul> james_regen: it it like for the record in hand compare with all records state != this state, etc.
15:17:01 <amogha> COMMENT ON SCHEMA public IS 'standard public schema';
15:17:09 <upul> oops state = thisstate
15:18:27 <james_regen> upul: yes state = thisstate is exactly right
15:18:27 <upul> amogha: may be the script was meant to be run as postgres user
15:19:26 <amogha> yeah
15:19:41 <amogha> not as postgres user but as the user ive created
15:19:57 <amogha> upul thanks for the help :d , ive gotta go, seeya laters..............
15:20:18 <amogha> if you know the solution can you please let me, i'll come n check in a bit:D
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15:28:40 * nribeka slaps r0bby
15:29:19 <nribeka> bwolfe, is burke sketchy?
15:30:36 <bwolfe> nribeka: very
15:31:07 <nribeka> how about me?
15:31:13 <bwolfe> nribeka: you're getting there
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15:36:02 <r0bby> am I?!
15:36:46 <r0bby> so upul how's working w/ burke?
15:36:46 <r0bby> :)
15:37:30 <upul> sketchy
15:37:38 <upul> whatever it means
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15:38:36 <r0bby> upul: flighty
15:38:44 <r0bby> hard to get a hold of
15:39:16 <upul> nope, he responds even at untimely hours
15:39:18 <bwolfe> r0bby: I don't think it means hard to get a hold of...it means he's not a trustoworthy fellow...aka, you wouldn't leave your car unlocked around him
15:39:32 <r0bby> well yeh
15:39:39 <bwolfe> e.g.: I drove through this sketchy neighborhood today and saw a lot of sketchy people doing sketchy things
15:39:42 <r0bby> for some reason i don't see burke robbing me :)
15:39:48 <bwolfe> and they were doing them sketchily
15:39:49 <r0bby> Oh yeh
15:39:56 * r0bby steals bwolfe's wallet
15:39:58 <r0bby> w00t
15:40:01 <upul> that sentence is sketchy
15:40:03 <r0bby> ...IOUs?!?!?!
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15:40:22 <r0bby> upul: but seriously, has he been easy to get ahold of
15:40:24 <bwolfe> r0bby is definitely sketchy now
15:40:44 <r0bby> bwolfe: leave your car unlocked, keys in the ignition
15:40:47 <upul> yes, he responds in sometimes 2 mins
15:40:57 <upul> even before i click 'send' sometimes
15:41:15 <bwolfe> haha
15:41:19 <bwolfe> wow, thats good
15:41:29 <bwolfe> thats about how he was last year for r0bby, right? ;-)
15:41:44 <r0bby> Oh yeh
15:41:56 <r0bby> there's a reason groovyforms was in the state it was :)
15:42:11 <r0bby> Now i just need time and I think i can get it working :)
15:43:23 <bmckown> sketchy is like suspicious or questionable
15:43:29 <r0bby> eht rue
15:43:38 <r0bby> I dont see burke as that
15:43:40 <r0bby> hell
15:43:44 <bmckown> meh
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15:43:51 <r0bby> if my dr were sketchy, i'd run for the nearest emergency exit
15:44:00 <bmckown> i'd still say he's sketchy :-P
15:44:23 <bmckown> except that the location of the nearest emergency exit is sketchy
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15:44:40 <r0bby> of course, my endocrinologist wants to run for the nearest emergeny exit
15:44:57 <r0bby> I still have bloodwork i've yet to have done :) -- r0bby is a difficult patient :)
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15:45:18 <r0bby> Who woulda thought
15:45:25 * r0bby takes nribeka's wallet
15:45:30 <r0bby> mmmm money
15:45:54 <Echidna> is it true that americans prefer money clips and loose change to wallets?
15:46:04 <nribeka> hahaha ... i don't have money
15:46:26 <bmckown> hmm. i used to have a wallet.
15:46:32 <bmckown> then r0bby took it away
15:46:55 <Echidna> my wallet is almost 2 inches thick what with all the cards =/
15:47:24 <bmckown> oooh. that's like sitting on a rock, no? i have a very thin wallet. not much there.
15:47:40 <Echidna> yea
15:47:50 <Echidna> have to take it out when taking longer drives
15:48:03 <bmckown> my wife uses a purse. she can fit everything in there.
15:48:14 <Echidna> hah
15:48:31 <bmckown> one day her car was gone and i saw that her purse was still in the house.
15:48:45 <bmckown> i checked her purse.. and sure enough... there was her car!
15:49:07 <r0bby> LOLdid you find the kitchen sink?
15:49:18 <bmckown> yea, leak included.
15:49:40 <nribeka> bwolfe, did you get my sketchy mail this morning from that sketchy guy?
15:49:49 <bwolfe> Echidna: I just switched to a money clip from a wallet. I'm about 2 weeks into the experiment
15:49:57 <bwolfe> nribeka: the IT guy? yeah. :-p
15:50:11 <r0bby> i <3 my wallet
15:50:19 <nribeka> no the guy who said that he's in croatia now
15:50:21 <nribeka> hahahaha ...
15:50:21 <r0bby> nribeka: you dont have money
15:50:28 <r0bby> what is Regenstrief paying you?
15:50:28 <nribeka> yes rob
15:50:29 <bwolfe> Echidna: I think I'll stay with the clip...I just need to either keep less cash or go through it faster...the bills get ruffled on the edges too quickly
15:50:34 <nribeka> i don't bring money with me
15:50:42 <nribeka> since there's no pnc bank around here
15:50:44 <bwolfe> r0bby: we're paying him in chickens
15:51:01 <r0bby> good
15:51:54 <nribeka> and the chicken will lay eggs
15:51:55 <nribeka> :D
15:52:05 <nribeka> and i will have more chickens thanks to RI
15:59:24 <Echidna> bwolfe: isnt that like, ghetto
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15:59:51 <bwolfe> Echidna: yes, sketchy and ghetto are usually synonymous
16:00:07 <Echidna> no i mean having a money clip
16:00:53 <bwolfe> Echidna: Hmm, I don't know that there is a distinction between ghetto'ers and nonghetto'ers and how they carry their money here
16:01:05 <bwolfe> ghetto'ers will have chains on their wallets
16:01:11 <bwolfe> but other than that...
16:01:19 <Echidna> bwolfe: i have a hibernate question for you. since it's discouraged to put any logic into getters and setters, and you want to monitor the properties and execulte some code if the values change
16:01:23 <Echidna> how would you go about it
16:01:56 <Echidna> i prefer not using cash at all, i just carry around some for lunch
16:02:01 <bwolfe> Echidna: monitor it on save in the service
16:02:32 <Echidna> bwolfe: i mean in general, not openmrs. lets say there is no service
16:02:47 <Echidna> what about listeners
16:02:59 <bwolfe> Echidna: listeners in the pojo ?
16:03:09 <Echidna> yea
16:09:26 <bwolfe> Echidna: I suppose thats one way
16:10:38 <Echidna> know any better?
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17:32:30 <r0bby> is it bad practice to call a validator from outside a controller?
17:32:43 <r0bby> i pass off processing to my utility class
17:32:51 <r0bby> (which REALLY belongs in my service class
17:33:21 <r0bby> I need to validate an XML document contains certain attributes and I want to return useful output to the user
17:33:49 <r0bby> er XML element
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18:15:23 <bwolfe_> r0bby: I think you can call a validator from a service method
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