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<deadpool> hey all
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<pascal`> hey deadpool
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<deadpool> hey pascal' i was entering in a concept that had a data type as boolean
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<deadpool> what do i do when want to design a form i tried it and it gives me openmrs_datatype and openmrs_concept
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<deadpool> i want it to be like a true or false
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<pascal`> deadpool, what are you using to design the form?
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<deadpool> infopath
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<pascal`> hmm, I've never used infopath, so I wouldn't be able to help
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<pascal`> have you checked the OpenMRS wiki?
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<deadpool> yeah i did
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<deadpool> well i am going to try it again and see what i can do
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<deadpool> well thanks for your help pascal'
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<jmiranda> deadpool, not sure if this happened
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<jmiranda> http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/67
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<jmiranda> but at some point we wanted to switch boolean to be a coded concept
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<jmiranda> because in most cases a provider wants to be able to mark: true, false, or not answered
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<jmiranda> there's a difference between null and not answered
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<jmiranda> null means it might not have been asked or it wasn't answered
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<jmiranda> and not answered means the patient either refused or did not have an answer
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<jmiranda> i can discuss further when i get back ... i need to run out for a few minutes
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<jmiranda> bwolfe,
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<jmiranda> happy birthday
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<bwolfe> thanks jmiranda
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<pascal`> hey bwolfe
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<upul> Happy birthday! Ben
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<bwolfe> thanks upul
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<pascal`> bwolfe, is /openmrs/branches/1.5.x the branch that will eventually become the release?
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<pascal`> I'm trying to develop some stuff that will eventually run on 1.5, so I'd like to be able to use the latest build at all times...
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<bwolfe> pascal`: yes
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<nribeka_> we're going to have party ...
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<nribeka_> yaayyy ...
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<upul> nribeka_: there was a shooting yesterday in pittsbourgh
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<nribeka_> yes, i read about it. pretty scary. some random guy walks to gym and start shooting people
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<upul> USA dangerous country, we don't have those things here ;-)
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<nribeka_> US&A :)
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<pascal`> I suppose I could just use the RC, but I'd like to keep it up to date in order to minimize the changes I need to makes when it comes to release date
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<upul> bwolfe: are there other places where you have to process huge data sets like patient matching
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<bwolfe> upul: reporting has that problem in a way
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<bwolfe> upul: jmiranda might have some ideas for large projects for you around that... :-)
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<upul> jmiranda: do you have suggestions for a research project for MSc
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<jmiranda> no
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<jmiranda> the first one that comes to mind is a continuous processing of data (like ETL to data warehouse)
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<pascal`> kewl, thanks bwolfe
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<jmiranda> upul, there are some other projects like TB culture conversion or ARV "drug needs" reports that are complicated
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<jmiranda> upul, could you give me some more information on what you're looking to do?
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<upul> jmiranda: it is aroud 9 - 12 months, for my MSc in enterprise applications
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<jmiranda> upul, well, the data warehouse idea would be good for that
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<jmiranda> but we've tried going down the "build a data warehouse" route and that's failed (twice)
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<upul> jmiranda: is there anything I can take a look at?
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<jmiranda> so i'm not sure we want to tackle that again without some really specific goals
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<jmiranda> upul, is there any area of medical informatics that you are especially interested in?
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<upul> jmiranda: what are the areas?
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<jmiranda> upul, i don't know ... things like population surveillance (which i think is useful for predicting disease breakouts)
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<jmiranda> upul, medical informatics is pretty general
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<jmiranda> it's basically using technology / data to look at trends given a population of patients
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<jmiranda> upul, i'm just wondering if there's anything in the realm of healthcare that interests you
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<jmiranda> personally, i'd rather have you working on projects that improve individual patient care, but when you start talking about research projects that involve processing large amounts of data ...
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<jmiranda> the options are a bit limited
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<jmiranda> however, we could come up with something like outcome reports
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<jmiranda> (how are patients doing on a particular program of care across a site / country)
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<jmiranda> that will help improve quality of care at the clinic level
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<jmiranda> and i would love to have you tackle a project with a data warehouse slant
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<jmiranda> given 9 - 12 months of your time
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<jmiranda> we could definitely build something pretty cool
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<upul> jmiranda: it sounds interesting, i haven't done any datawarehousing stuff
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<upul> i see there was an old gsoc project
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<Echidna> birthday? =O
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<Echidna> bwolfe: happy birthday!
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<bwolfe> thanks Echidna
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<jmiranda> you can think of it as transforming from our transactional data model (normalized) to a more flat (denormalized) data model
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<jmiranda> going from openmrs to excel basically
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<jmiranda> (actually ... by basically, i mean crudely)
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<jmiranda> but essentially in a data warehouse you might have lots of redundant data
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<upul> jmiranda: so that aggregated data model you desgin thinking of the questions you might have to answer
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<jmiranda> yes
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<jmiranda> like how most non-technical people tackle a data model
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<jmiranda> you've probably seen researchers build a data model for a study
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<upul> jmiranda: why didn't it work earlier?
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<jmiranda> Patient Name, Visit Date, Weight, Height, ...
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<jmiranda> upul, we didn't really have a goal
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<jmiranda> we said, "let's build a data warehouse that can handle a PEPFAR report"
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<jmiranda> that's an ok goal, but it was too general and we spent most of the time just trying to figure out what a data warehouse was
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<jmiranda> there was a second project undertaken by Pentaho that might have been more successful
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<jmiranda> upul, haven't heard from docpaul about that project for awhile though
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<jmiranda> in any case, it's important to define what you want to get out of it up front
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<jmiranda> i think we think too generally when we start some projects (at least i do)
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<jmiranda> and they become increasingly overwhelming as time goes on
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<upul> there is pentaho used in here http://openmrs.org/wiki/Reporting_ETL_and_OLAP_Project
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1d+A> (at openmrs.org)
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<jmiranda> http://demo.pentaho.com/pentaho/Login
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<jmiranda> upul, yes, we developed a very rudimentary data model against Pentaho
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<jmiranda> it answered some very basic questions
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<jmiranda> but we didn't come up with any useful output
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<jmiranda> upul, it just takes a long time to develop and you need to start small
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<jmiranda> figure out what kind of analysis you want to do, build a small data model
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<jmiranda> then start branching from there
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<jmiranda> upul, we eventually want to have an ETL process (that's where data gets moved from openmrs to the dwh)
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<jmiranda> that uses the logic service to figure out how to build the DWH data model
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<jmiranda> for instance, we might want to ask a question like "of the female patients in our hiv program, how many are pregnant and not on arvs"
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<jmiranda> upul, since "being pregnant" is not a simple boolean value
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<jmiranda> we need the ETL process to be smart enough to figure out which patients are pregnant at a given time
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<jmiranda> therefore, we need to store an "IS PREGNANT" value which might change based on the time index
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<jmiranda> for instance, right now the patient is pregnant, but in two months she'll have given birth and is no longer pregnant
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<jmiranda> so we'd like there to be some ETL process that is always running and spitting new data into the DWH that answers questions which don't have a concrete answer (like gender)
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<jmiranda> although, even gender could be a "changeable" data point
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<jmiranda> :)
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<jmiranda> anyway, if you'd like to explore that more, let me know
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<jmiranda> it's been a dream of mine to move the heavy reporting out of openmrs
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<upul> jmiranda: yes, I'm trying to do something related to openmrs
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<jmiranda> upul, when are you going to start this research project?
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<jmiranda> and what is the ultimate goal?
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<jmiranda> to have a working system
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<jmiranda> to research some aspect of enterprise software?
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<upul> jmiranda: had dinner. it is mostly research oriented
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<upul> had to choose something in the next 3 weeks, it will go on for about a year
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<jmiranda> upul, ok let's discuss this further in the coming days
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<jmiranda> i'd definitely love to have you working on something for openmrs
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<jmiranda> does the data warehouse stuff sound like it would be suitable for a research project?
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<upul> jmiranda: they are not expecting building a system
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<upul> this is what they say,
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<upul> Instead, we want you to take a topic and genuinely research it using some
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<jmiranda> upul, so just research oriented ... taking data and making some sense of it
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<upul> of the techniques which the Research Principles and Practices discusses: experiments, sampling, etc.
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<upul> Along the way you may write some software but that is likely to be
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<upul> incidental to your main goal. You'll certainly do a lot of background reading
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<upul> in books, in journals and on the Web. You're going to perform some sort of
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<upul> experiment. Eventually, after about nine months you'll pull it all together
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<upul> into a thesis
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<jmiranda> upul, got it
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<upul> esala perahara procession in sri lanka happening now http://www.justin.tv/sisira2009
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<upul> just started. it will have lots of elephants
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<bwolfe> upul: what is esala perahara?
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<upul> bwolfe: it's yearly festival, procession http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esala_Perahera
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<Echidna> elephants, eh
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<upul> about 40 elephants this time. it's getting less and less every year
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<bmckown> bwolfe, silly me... never thought of this... set up dev and my laptop so i can submit forms from dev to my laptop.
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<bwolfe> bmckown: yeah, thats how I submit forms...only works when in the office or on vpn though. :-/
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<bmckown> yea. and now with dev's concepts on my laptop it's great.
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<bmckown> at least while in office.
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<bwolfe> it beats starting up a vm by a long shot! :-)
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<bmckown> no doubt!!
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<nribeka_> and then post it to your laptop bmac?
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<bmckown> no, i put the forms from dev onto my laptop via sqldump. so i have dev concepts and forms on my laptop
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<bmckown> just not the live data. only have demo patients and demo data on my laptop.
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<bmckown> so i submit a form from dev to laptop to test forms.
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<bmckown> test forms on my laptop that is.
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<bmckown> just had to run a second sql source for a script to change all the forms/concepts creator to user_id=1
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<bmckown> and now off to debugging a dev problem on my laptop. :-)
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<r0bby> bwolfe: you know i realized the other day -- you're younger than me!
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<r0bby> by 3 months!
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<nribeka_> ooo ic. because you said you don't have the infopath
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<nribeka_> well ubuntu don't
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<bmckown> yea, nribeka_ i don't have infopath on laptop cause running ubuntu
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<bmckown> and thanks to r0bby i can now debug the problem on my laptop using forms from dev and having submitted forms from dev to my laptop.
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<bmckown> thanks to r0bby for the debugging info on intellij i mean.
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<r0bby> bmckown: yeh I learned to do it and im glad i did
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<bmckown> it's nice. :-)
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<r0bby> when learning an API
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<r0bby> groovy console is god
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<Echidna> =o
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<Echidna> how old is bwolfe, then
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<r0bby> 27
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<Echidna> rly..
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<Echidna> oh man, this is quite depressing
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<r0bby> how old are you?
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<Echidna> 29
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<r0bby> old man!
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<Echidna> aye
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<r0bby> note to self: IDEA shortcuts do not work in groovy console
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<r0bby> oh bmckown
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<r0bby> stay away from the latest EAP release
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<r0bby> i noticed it updated its indices several times over
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<bmckown> eh, i'm using 9.0M1
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<bmckown> oh, yea, i've been getting that, too.
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<bmckown> watch it with the old man stuff!
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<bmckown> :-P
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<r0bby> bmckown: I called burke short, and I aint afraid of you!
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<Echidna> you also called him old the other day
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<r0bby> NEVER
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<r0bby> I would NEVER call burke old
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<r0bby> not publically anyways :)
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<r0bby> I <3 xpath
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<r0bby> Mkop!
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<Mkop> hi r0bby
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<Mkop> wow, there are a lot of core developers online right now
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<Mkop> bwolfe: btw, you have typo on your linkedin profile
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<Mkop> "Worked on the OpenMRS project doing writing Java code and managing other developers "
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<r0bby> nicre
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<r0bby> 3 lines to parse a String of XML with some XPath
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<r0bby> maybe 6 (that'd be if i used groovy :) and the iteration with List.each {}
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<bwolfe> thanks Mkop
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<Mkop> you're welcome
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<r0bby> bwolfe: happy belated bday :P
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<Mkop> yeah, what he said
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<bwolfe> thanks r0bby. you're not late yet. :-)
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<Mkop> does nribeka_ work full time at regenstrief now?
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<nribeka_> hi Mkop
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<nribeka_> yes sir Mkop
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<Mkop> i.e. long term? I assumed it was just a summer thing or something
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<Mkop> did you graduate from Pitt?
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<nribeka_> yeah Mkop. I graduate last May
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<Mkop> oh
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<nribeka_> I will stay here until bwolfe or bmckown kick me out of RI
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<nribeka_> ;)
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<Mkop> lol
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<Mkop> why bwolfe or bmckown? you're not worried about paul or burke?
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<nribeka_> hmmm ... they are not on irc. so, i'm not that worry :)
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<r0bby> hmm xml aint that bad to work w/ :)
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