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| 12:11:40 | <deadpool> hey all |
| 12:12:13 | <pascal`> hey deadpool |
| 12:14:47 | <deadpool> hey pascal' i was entering in a concept that had a data type as boolean |
| 12:15:45 | <deadpool> what do i do when want to design a form i tried it and it gives me openmrs_datatype and openmrs_concept |
| 12:16:01 | <deadpool> i want it to be like a true or false |
| 12:17:16 | <pascal`> deadpool, what are you using to design the form? |
| 12:17:22 | <deadpool> infopath |
| 12:18:12 | <pascal`> hmm, I've never used infopath, so I wouldn't be able to help |
| 12:18:18 | <pascal`> have you checked the OpenMRS wiki? |
| 12:18:24 | <deadpool> yeah i did |
| 12:18:38 | <deadpool> well i am going to try it again and see what i can do |
| 12:20:02 | <deadpool> well thanks for your help pascal' |
| 12:22:55 | <jmiranda> deadpool, not sure if this happened |
| 12:22:56 | <jmiranda> http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/67 |
| 12:23:14 | <jmiranda> but at some point we wanted to switch boolean to be a coded concept |
| 12:23:38 | <jmiranda> because in most cases a provider wants to be able to mark: true, false, or not answered |
| 12:23:51 | <jmiranda> there's a difference between null and not answered |
| 12:24:02 | <jmiranda> null means it might not have been asked or it wasn't answered |
| 12:24:15 | <jmiranda> and not answered means the patient either refused or did not have an answer |
| 12:24:40 | <jmiranda> i can discuss further when i get back ... i need to run out for a few minutes |
| 12:24:45 | <jmiranda> just wanted to drop that knowledge |
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| 12:29:16 | <pascal`> hey nribeka |
| 12:30:57 | <nribeka> hi pascal` |
| 12:37:36 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9660]: -- chica * fixed risk based hearing screen rule. Before the fix, it would ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9660> |
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| 13:02:06 | <jmiranda> bwolfe, |
| 13:02:13 | <jmiranda> happy birthday |
| 13:03:01 | <bwolfe> thanks jmiranda |
| 13:09:38 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9663]: amrsregistration: messages and validation update <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9663> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9662]: dataintegrity: fixed some minor spelling mistakes <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9662> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9661]: xforms module: small bug fixes on the form designer <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9661> |
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| 13:16:53 | <pascal`> hey bwolfe |
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| 13:17:18 | <upul> Happy birthday! Ben |
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| 13:18:18 | <bwolfe> thanks upul |
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| 13:18:45 | <pascal`> bwolfe, is /openmrs/branches/1.5.x the branch that will eventually become the release? |
| 13:19:14 | <pascal`> I'm trying to develop some stuff that will eventually run on 1.5, so I'd like to be able to use the latest build at all times... |
| 13:19:17 | <bwolfe> pascal`: yes |
| 13:21:08 | <nribeka_> we're going to have party ... |
| 13:21:17 | <nribeka_> yaayyy ... |
| 13:23:53 | <upul> nribeka_: there was a shooting yesterday in pittsbourgh |
| 13:24:27 | <nribeka_> yes, i read about it. pretty scary. some random guy walks to gym and start shooting people |
| 13:25:03 | <upul> USA dangerous country, we don't have those things here ;-) |
| 13:25:36 | <nribeka_> US&A :) |
| 13:31:31 | <pascal`> I suppose I could just use the RC, but I'd like to keep it up to date in order to minimize the changes I need to makes when it comes to release date |
| 13:32:07 | <upul> bwolfe: are there other places where you have to process huge data sets like patient matching |
| 13:32:53 | <bwolfe> upul: reporting has that problem in a way |
| 13:33:09 | <bwolfe> upul: jmiranda might have some ideas for large projects for you around that... :-) |
| 13:33:57 | <upul> jmiranda: do you have suggestions for a research project for MSc |
| 13:34:04 | <jmiranda> no |
| 13:34:07 | <jmiranda> kidding |
| 13:35:09 | <jmiranda> the first one that comes to mind is a continuous processing of data (like ETL to data warehouse) |
| 13:35:45 | <pascal`> kewl, thanks bwolfe |
| 13:37:13 | <jmiranda> upul, there are some other projects like TB culture conversion or ARV "drug needs" reports that are complicated |
| 13:37:24 | <jmiranda> and require lots of processing |
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| 13:38:19 | <jmiranda> upul, could you give me some more information on what you're looking to do? |
| 13:38:34 | <jmiranda> is this a long-term research project for a grade? |
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| 13:39:29 | <upul> jmiranda: it is aroud 9 - 12 months, for my MSc in enterprise applications |
| 13:40:07 | <jmiranda> upul, well, the data warehouse idea would be good for that |
| 13:40:26 | <jmiranda> but we've tried going down the "build a data warehouse" route and that's failed (twice) |
| 13:40:55 | <upul> jmiranda: is there anything I can take a look at? |
| 13:40:59 | <jmiranda> so i'm not sure we want to tackle that again without some really specific goals |
| 13:42:02 | <jmiranda> upul, is there any area of medical informatics that you are especially interested in? |
| 13:42:56 | <upul> jmiranda: what are the areas? |
| 13:44:45 | <jmiranda> upul, i don't know ... things like population surveillance (which i think is useful for predicting disease breakouts) |
| 13:45:36 | <jmiranda> upul, medical informatics is pretty general |
| 13:46:17 | <jmiranda> it's basically using technology / data to look at trends given a population of patients |
| 13:47:07 | <jmiranda> upul, i'm just wondering if there's anything in the realm of healthcare that interests you |
| 13:48:01 | <jmiranda> personally, i'd rather have you working on projects that improve individual patient care, but when you start talking about research projects that involve processing large amounts of data ... |
| 13:48:15 | <jmiranda> the options are a bit limited |
| 13:48:33 | <jmiranda> however, we could come up with something like outcome reports |
| 13:48:55 | <jmiranda> (how are patients doing on a particular program of care across a site / country) |
| 13:49:02 | <jmiranda> that will help improve quality of care at the clinic level |
| 13:49:38 | <jmiranda> and i would love to have you tackle a project with a data warehouse slant |
| 13:49:50 | <jmiranda> given 9 - 12 months of your time |
| 13:50:06 | <jmiranda> we could definitely build something pretty cool |
| 13:50:19 | <upul> jmiranda: it sounds interesting, i haven't done any datawarehousing stuff |
| 13:50:43 | <upul> i see there was an old gsoc project |
| 13:50:51 | <Echidna> birthday? =O |
| 13:50:52 | <Echidna> bwolfe: happy birthday! |
| 13:51:04 | <bwolfe> thanks Echidna |
| 13:51:25 | <jmiranda> you can think of it as transforming from our transactional data model (normalized) to a more flat (denormalized) data model |
| 13:51:40 | <jmiranda> going from openmrs to excel basically |
| 13:51:55 | <jmiranda> (actually ... by basically, i mean crudely) |
| 13:52:23 | <jmiranda> but essentially in a data warehouse you might have lots of redundant data |
| 13:52:50 | <upul> jmiranda: so that aggregated data model you desgin thinking of the questions you might have to answer |
| 13:52:55 | <jmiranda> yes |
| 13:53:10 | <jmiranda> like how most non-technical people tackle a data model |
| 13:53:24 | <jmiranda> you've probably seen researchers build a data model for a study |
| 13:54:00 | <upul> jmiranda: why didn't it work earlier? |
| 13:54:03 | <jmiranda> Patient Name, Visit Date, Weight, Height, ... |
| 13:54:13 | <jmiranda> upul, we didn't really have a goal |
| 13:54:52 | <jmiranda> we said, "let's build a data warehouse that can handle a PEPFAR report" |
| 13:55:33 | <jmiranda> that's an ok goal, but it was too general and we spent most of the time just trying to figure out what a data warehouse was |
| 13:55:59 | <jmiranda> there was a second project undertaken by Pentaho that might have been more successful |
| 13:56:32 | <jmiranda> upul, haven't heard from docpaul about that project for awhile though |
| 13:57:11 | <jmiranda> in any case, it's important to define what you want to get out of it up front |
| 13:57:26 | <jmiranda> i think we think too generally when we start some projects (at least i do) |
| 13:57:43 | <jmiranda> and they become increasingly overwhelming as time goes on |
| 13:58:22 | <upul> there is pentaho used in here http://openmrs.org/wiki/Reporting_ETL_and_OLAP_Project |
| 13:58:23 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1d+A> (at openmrs.org) |
| 13:59:16 | <jmiranda> http://demo.pentaho.com/pentaho/Login |
| 13:59:45 | <jmiranda> upul, yes, we developed a very rudimentary data model against Pentaho |
| 13:59:54 | <jmiranda> it answered some very basic questions |
| 14:01:20 | <jmiranda> but we didn't come up with any useful output |
| 14:01:47 | <jmiranda> upul, it just takes a long time to develop and you need to start small |
| 14:02:03 | <jmiranda> figure out what kind of analysis you want to do, build a small data model |
| 14:02:10 | <jmiranda> then start branching from there |
| 14:02:46 | <jmiranda> upul, we eventually want to have an ETL process (that's where data gets moved from openmrs to the dwh) |
| 14:03:10 | <jmiranda> that uses the logic service to figure out how to build the DWH data model |
| 14:04:09 | <jmiranda> for instance, we might want to ask a question like "of the female patients in our hiv program, how many are pregnant and not on arvs" |
| 14:04:55 | <jmiranda> upul, since "being pregnant" is not a simple boolean value |
| 14:05:24 | <jmiranda> we need the ETL process to be smart enough to figure out which patients are pregnant at a given time |
| 14:05:59 | <jmiranda> therefore, we need to store an "IS PREGNANT" value which might change based on the time index |
| 14:06:34 | <jmiranda> for instance, right now the patient is pregnant, but in two months she'll have given birth and is no longer pregnant |
| 14:07:39 | <jmiranda> so we'd like there to be some ETL process that is always running and spitting new data into the DWH that answers questions which don't have a concrete answer (like gender) |
| 14:07:55 | <jmiranda> although, even gender could be a "changeable" data point |
| 14:07:58 | <jmiranda> :) |
| 14:08:21 | <jmiranda> anyway, if you'd like to explore that more, let me know |
| 14:08:53 | <jmiranda> it's been a dream of mine to move the heavy reporting out of openmrs |
| 14:09:15 | <upul> jmiranda: yes, I'm trying to do something related to openmrs |
| 14:11:50 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9664]: Fixed validatePassword method to work without a session so that the ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9664> |
| 14:32:02 | <jmiranda> upul, when are you going to start this research project? |
| 14:32:08 | <jmiranda> and what is the ultimate goal? |
| 14:32:22 | <jmiranda> to have a working system |
| 14:33:22 | <jmiranda> to research some aspect of enterprise software? |
| 14:33:55 | <jmiranda> or is it just an open-ended? |
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| 14:37:03 | <upul> jmiranda: had dinner. it is mostly research oriented |
| 14:37:55 | <upul> had to choose something in the next 3 weeks, it will go on for about a year |
| 14:38:44 | <jmiranda> upul, ok let's discuss this further in the coming days |
| 14:39:06 | <jmiranda> i'd definitely love to have you working on something for openmrs |
| 14:39:56 | <jmiranda> does the data warehouse stuff sound like it would be suitable for a research project? |
| 14:42:27 | <upul> jmiranda: they are not expecting building a system |
| 14:43:20 | <jmiranda> ok |
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| 14:43:33 | <upul> this is what they say, |
| 14:43:37 | <upul> Instead, we want you to take a topic and genuinely research it using some |
| 14:43:38 | <jmiranda> upul, so just research oriented ... taking data and making some sense of it |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> of the techniques which the Research Principles and Practices discusses: experiments, sampling, etc. |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> Along the way you may write some software but that is likely to be |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> incidental to your main goal. You'll certainly do a lot of background reading |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> in books, in journals and on the Web. You're going to perform some sort of |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> experiment. Eventually, after about nine months you'll pull it all together |
| 14:43:41 | <upul> into a thesis |
| 14:44:09 | <jmiranda> upul, got it |
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| 15:12:09 | <upul> esala perahara procession in sri lanka happening now http://www.justin.tv/sisira2009 |
| 15:13:56 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1706 (defect closed): OpenmrsUtil.validatePassword throws an exception when run in the installer <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1706#comment:2> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9667]: 1.5.x: Fixed validatePassword method to work without a session so that the ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9667> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9666]: Followup fix for validatePassword method working without a session so that ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9666> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1714 (task closed): Voided patients appear in the 'Find A Person' view under 'Relationships' <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1714#comment:3> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9665]: ncd: Fix to hard-prune.sql based on DB table changes. Fixes to various ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9665> |
| 15:14:50 | <upul> just started. it will have lots of elephants |
| 15:17:30 | <bwolfe> upul: what is esala perahara? |
| 15:19:51 | <upul> bwolfe: it's yearly festival, procession http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esala_Perahera |
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| 15:36:46 | <Echidna> elephants, eh |
| 15:37:40 | <upul> about 40 elephants this time. it's getting less and less every year |
| 15:39:27 | <Echidna> must smell awful |
| 15:39:33 | <upul> here comes the first elephant i think |
| 15:40:26 | <upul> there in costumes :-) |
| 15:45:57 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1703 (task closed): Update Liquibase Schema, Core, and Demo Data <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1703#comment:1> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1660 (enhancement reopened): Pre-Processing <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1660#comment:5> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1717 (enhancement created): Add MPQ generator <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1717> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9670]: Moved liquibase targets to their own file Added liquibase targets for ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9670> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1702 (enhancement closed): Add Demo Data's Concept Ids to Attributes and Global Properties <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1702#comment:1> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9669]: 1.5.x: Added Civil status concept id to core data - #1702 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9669> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9668]: Added Civil status concept id to core data - #1702 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9668> |
| 15:47:41 | <upul> http://www.justin.tv/srilankaitn |
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| 16:17:09 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9671]: reporting: * Implemented the edit / render indicator report. * ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9671> |
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| 18:04:30 | <bmckown> bwolfe, silly me... never thought of this... set up dev and my laptop so i can submit forms from dev to my laptop. |
| 18:05:05 | <bwolfe> bmckown: yeah, thats how I submit forms...only works when in the office or on vpn though. :-/ |
| 18:05:23 | <bmckown> yea. and now with dev's concepts on my laptop it's great. |
| 18:05:33 | <bmckown> at least while in office. |
| 18:06:46 | <bwolfe> it beats starting up a vm by a long shot! :-) |
| 18:07:23 | <bmckown> no doubt!! |
| 18:24:09 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #1717 (enhancement closed): Add MPQ generator <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1717#comment:2> |
| 18:27:29 | <nribeka_> so you use the forms in dev |
| 18:27:40 | <nribeka_> and then post it to your laptop bmac? |
| 18:30:15 | <bmckown> no, i put the forms from dev onto my laptop via sqldump. so i have dev concepts and forms on my laptop |
| 18:30:33 | <bmckown> just not the live data. only have demo patients and demo data on my laptop. |
| 18:30:56 | <bmckown> so i submit a form from dev to laptop to test forms. |
| 18:31:05 | <bmckown> test forms on my laptop that is. |
| 18:31:52 | <bmckown> just had to run a second sql source for a script to change all the forms/concepts creator to user_id=1 |
| 18:32:21 | <bmckown> and now off to debugging a dev problem on my laptop. :-) |
| 18:34:41 | <r0bby> bwolfe: you know i realized the other day -- you're younger than me! |
| 18:34:56 | <r0bby> by 3 months! |
| 18:42:52 | <nribeka_> ooo ic. because you said you don't have the infopath |
| 18:43:01 | <nribeka_> well ubuntu don't |
| 18:45:26 | <bmckown> yea, nribeka_ i don't have infopath on laptop cause running ubuntu |
| 18:46:21 | <bmckown> and thanks to r0bby i can now debug the problem on my laptop using forms from dev and having submitted forms from dev to my laptop. |
| 18:46:54 | <bmckown> thanks to r0bby for the debugging info on intellij i mean. |
| 18:56:13 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9672]: amrsregistration: added attributes list in the view and assign id page <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9672> |
| 18:58:04 | <r0bby> bmckown: yeh I learned to do it and im glad i did |
| 18:58:19 | <bmckown> it's nice. :-) |
| 18:59:28 | <r0bby> when learning an API |
| 18:59:31 | <r0bby> groovy console is god |
| 19:03:53 | <Echidna> =o |
| 19:03:57 | <Echidna> how old is bwolfe, then |
| 19:08:48 | <r0bby> 27 |
| 19:08:55 | <Echidna> rly.. |
| 19:08:59 | <Echidna> oh man, this is quite depressing |
| 19:09:32 | <r0bby> how old are you? |
| 19:09:42 | <Echidna> 29 |
| 19:10:28 | <r0bby> old man! |
| 19:10:33 | <Echidna> aye |
| 19:11:03 | <r0bby> note to self: IDEA shortcuts do not work in groovy console |
| 19:20:49 | <r0bby> oh bmckown |
| 19:20:55 | <r0bby> stay away from the latest EAP release |
| 19:21:08 | <r0bby> i noticed it updated its indices several times over |
| 19:21:18 | <bmckown> eh, i'm using 9.0M1 |
| 19:21:39 | <bmckown> oh, yea, i've been getting that, too. |
| 19:22:17 | <bmckown> watch it with the old man stuff! |
| 19:22:58 | <bmckown> :-P |
| 19:28:17 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9676]: patientmatching module: committed a checked EntropyAnalyzer to the summary ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9676> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Regarding Touch Screen Module <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=484#p1761> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9675]: ncd: More test updates. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9675> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9674]: ncd: Updates to tests. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9674> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9673]: ncd: Created the MPQGenerator class to generate a ZVX segment if there is ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9673> |
| 19:38:24 | <r0bby> bmckown: I called burke short, and I aint afraid of you! |
| 19:38:39 | <Echidna> you also called him old the other day |
| 19:39:48 | <r0bby> NEVER |
| 19:39:59 | <r0bby> I would NEVER call burke old |
| 19:40:05 | <r0bby> not publically anyways :) |
| 19:40:29 | <r0bby> I <3 xpath |
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| 19:41:40 | <r0bby> Mkop! |
| 19:41:53 | <Mkop> hi r0bby |
| 19:42:03 | <Mkop> wow, there are a lot of core developers online right now |
| 19:43:56 | <Mkop> bwolfe: btw, you have typo on your linkedin profile |
| 19:44:13 | <Mkop> "Worked on the OpenMRS project doing writing Java code and managing other developers " |
| 19:50:41 | <r0bby> nicre |
| 19:50:58 | <r0bby> 3 lines to parse a String of XML with some XPath |
| 19:51:30 | <r0bby> maybe 6 (that'd be if i used groovy :) and the iteration with List.each {} |
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| 20:06:49 | <bwolfe> thanks Mkop |
| 20:11:12 | <Mkop> you're welcome |
| 20:28:09 | <r0bby> bwolfe: happy belated bday :P |
| 20:28:34 | <Mkop> yeah, what he said |
| 20:28:35 | <bwolfe> thanks r0bby. you're not late yet. :-) |
| 20:32:26 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Saptarshi Purkayastha : âGarage modelâ Leprosy MIS <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SunnyTalksTech/~3/LOFBrTkSvfw/garage-model-leprosy-mis.html> |
| 20:33:48 | <Mkop> does nribeka_ work full time at regenstrief now? |
| 20:34:21 | <nribeka_> hi Mkop |
| 20:34:30 | <nribeka_> yes sir Mkop |
| 20:35:24 | <Mkop> i.e. long term? I assumed it was just a summer thing or something |
| 20:35:28 | <Mkop> did you graduate from Pitt? |
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| 20:37:54 | <nribeka_> yeah Mkop. I graduate last May |
| 20:38:02 | <Mkop> oh |
| 20:38:19 | <nribeka_> I will stay here until bwolfe or bmckown kick me out of RI |
| 20:38:22 | <nribeka_> ;) |
| 20:38:46 | <Mkop> lol |
| 20:39:03 | <Mkop> why bwolfe or bmckown? you're not worried about paul or burke? |
| 20:42:41 | <nribeka_> hmmm ... they are not on irc. so, i'm not that worry :) |
| 21:04:32 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9678]: patientmatching module: added ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9678> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [9677]: patientmatching module: removed modifier interface from EntropyAnalyzer <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/9677> |
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| 23:17:31 | <r0bby> hmm xml aint that bad to work w/ :) |
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