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| 00:17:15 | <Zakaria> ok keelhaul , ticket 1393 done ! |
| 00:17:51 | <Keelhaul> Zakaria: already? thanks! |
| 00:18:13 | <Zakaria> no problem |
| 00:18:15 | <Keelhaul> Zakaria: hmm hold on |
| 00:18:26 | <Keelhaul> LocationValidator has been moved already |
| 00:18:30 | <Keelhaul> is your trunk not up to date? |
| 00:18:44 | <Zakaria> I guess |
| 00:21:11 | <Keelhaul> Zakaria: can you revert the changes to LocationValidator and the line in opemrs-servlet.xml, then update trunk and re-create the patch? |
| 00:21:41 | <Zakaria> ok |
| 00:24:34 | <Keelhaul> bwolfe: so, how about that ticket 936? =P |
| 00:24:59 | <Keelhaul> havent seen bmckown in a while |
| 00:39:09 | <r0bby> Would i get kicked if i used figlet here? |
| 00:39:23 | <Keelhaul> whatlet |
| 00:39:50 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: see pm i wont do it in the public chan |
| 00:40:24 | <r0bby> so nevermind :) |
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| 01:13:48 | <Keelhaul> oh wth |
| 01:13:58 | <Keelhaul> echidna updated and rebooted w/o my consent |
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| 02:24:59 | <bwolfe> Keelhaul: bmckown has a big deadline coming up next week. so he is taking time off irc/skype/etc to work on that |
| 02:25:10 | <Keelhaul> ic ic |
| 02:25:22 | <Keelhaul> is there a reason only he can commit it, though? |
| 02:30:16 | <bwolfe> Keelhaul: no, not really |
| 02:30:20 | <bwolfe> I'm just lazy ;-) |
| 02:30:45 | <Keelhaul> your laziness is causing me mental distress =P |
| 02:33:38 | <bwolfe> ha |
| 02:33:41 | <bwolfe> why is that? |
| 02:35:16 | <Keelhaul> all the black squares with a white asterisk in my trunk |
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| 02:39:52 | <bwolfe> Keelhaul: can you review zakaria's patch and give him feedback ? perhaps see if he wants to also add some unit tests on those new validators like you did :-) |
| 02:40:23 | <Keelhaul> bwolfe: i did, he had an outdated trunk where LocationValidator wasnt moved yet |
| 02:40:32 | <Keelhaul> i asked him to update and recreate the patch |
| 02:40:36 | <Keelhaul> he said ok and then quit irc |
| 02:40:41 | <Keelhaul> so i'm waiting for the new one |
| 02:40:50 | <bwolfe> Keelhaul: ok. it helps if the conversation happens in the comments. :-) |
| 02:41:00 | <Keelhaul> and the unit tests for those are a different ticket |
| 02:41:03 | <Keelhaul> 1394 |
| 02:41:15 | <Keelhaul> like firewire =) |
| 02:41:19 | <bwolfe> he probably went to bed...he's approx on your timezone you know. :-p |
| 02:50:09 | <Keelhaul> heh |
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| 06:20:14 | <pv78> hi everybody |
| 06:20:51 | <ajitlodhi> hi |
| 06:21:22 | <pv78> ajitlodhi: hope u be fine there! |
| 06:21:49 | <ajitlodhi> yup...so whats up.. |
| 06:23:21 | <pv78> i am using [/openmrs/module/receptionistmodule/generatevisit.htm] to access a jsp page which is in [receptionistmodule] while i am using this url from an other module but it show error 404 |
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| 06:25:32 | <ajitlodhi> server? |
| 06:26:38 | <pv78> localhost |
| 06:27:10 | <ajitlodhi> i mean ..server...tomcat or any other. |
| 06:28:17 | <pv78> tomcat |
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| 06:34:30 | <pv78> in fact i am using this <a href="/openmrs/module/receptionistmodule/generatevisit.htm">Geerate Visit</a> |
| 06:35:20 | <ajitlodhi> may be u should check the function-handler in .java file |
| 06:38:12 | <ajitlodhi> or change the web.xml file accordingly |
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| 06:39:29 | <pascal`> morning |
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| 10:12:26 | <upul> Good morning Ben |
| 10:12:42 | <bwolfe> hey upul |
| 10:13:38 | <upul> bwolfe: Somebody has a flight to catch ;-) |
| 10:14:13 | <bwolfe> ? |
| 10:14:40 | <upul> bwolfe: it's 6 AM |
| 10:16:02 | <bwolfe> yeah. I have breakfast with a friend on Thurs mornings. I got ready a little quicker than normal today, so I had 10 mins to jump on and check my email. :-) |
| 10:16:34 | <bwolfe> shouldn't you still be at work upul ? |
| 10:16:56 | <upul> bwolfe: i am, and I wasted a couple mins from that 10 mins :-) |
| 10:17:12 | <bwolfe> heh |
| 10:17:25 | <bwolfe> I actually didn't have too many emails |
| 10:17:39 | <bwolfe> I did have 23 spam messages though :-p |
| 10:18:19 | <upul> upul: I have an account with about 1000 mails a day |
| 10:18:34 | <upul> heh wrote it to myself |
| 10:18:57 | <bwolfe> talking to yourself. you're like r0bby ! :-) |
| 10:19:06 | <upul> anyway it's all mailing lists |
| 10:19:12 | <bwolfe> upul: 1000 spam, or 1000 legitimate emails ? |
| 10:19:14 | <bwolfe> ah |
| 10:20:32 | <bwolfe> ok, breakfast time. bbl |
| 10:31:15 | <nribeka> wow bwolfe in the morning |
| 10:31:42 | <upul> Good morning nribeka |
| 10:31:49 | <nribeka> morning upul |
| 10:31:52 | <nribeka> ;) |
| 10:33:15 | <nribeka> what time is it there upul? |
| 10:33:31 | <upul> nribeka: 4PM |
| 10:33:46 | <upul> nribeka: how's your health? |
| 10:33:51 | <nribeka> ok now |
| 10:34:14 | <nribeka> need to catch up lots of things :( |
| 10:35:04 | <upul> nribeka: diseases :-D |
| 10:35:25 | <nribeka> huhu ... |
| 10:35:54 | <upul> nribeka: it is the lighting season here these days |
| 10:36:43 | <upul> most of the evenings it's rain and lots of thunder |
| 10:36:50 | <nribeka> ah ic ic |
| 10:37:05 | <nribeka> here it's spring |
| 10:37:19 | <nribeka> rain + sun + some cold weather |
| 10:38:01 | <upul> and hottest month too, i think we are closest to the sun this time of the year |
| 10:41:30 | <nribeka> ouch equator upul? |
| 10:42:30 | <upul> i guess so, if sun shoot at earth we could be the primary target |
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| 11:18:09 | <geonik> dear all, i am new to this channel and to the openmrs project. We launched an EHR project at our company and we are still at the design phase of it. I was wondering if you would recommend the OpenMRS data model for a generic EHR software. |
| 11:22:01 | <upul> geonik: In about 2 hours time openmrs developers will be online in this channel, you can ask them |
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| 11:25:13 | <geonik> thank you upul, i will re-ask the question later |
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| 11:41:13 | <pascal`> hi |
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| 12:15:20 | <bwolfe> geonik: openmrs is built to be a generic EHR software. why not just use openmrs? :-) |
| 12:15:32 | <bwolfe> geonik: of course, you're free to just use the data model too |
| 12:20:08 | <r0bby> morning :) |
| 12:21:28 | <bwolfe> hey r0bby |
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| 13:48:10 | <pascal`> hey jmiranda |
| 13:48:26 | <geonik> bwolfe during our initial research on existing (open) EHR architectures we found that |
| 13:48:26 | <geonik> 1. HL7 is supported by most of the industry but is too message-oriented and very 'noisy' for our taste. HL7/EHR-S is not yet ready for prime-time |
| 13:48:26 | <geonik> 2. OpenEHR 'archetype' concept initially looks great, but during it's implementation all sorts of problems come up |
| 13:48:26 | <geonik> In comparison, we found that OpenMRS data model is very clean and nicely structured. |
| 13:48:27 | <geonik> Our concern is if we will be able to 'cross-cut' the model in order to show part of the EHR for every doctor specialty, for example: the cardiologist front-end must show only the relevant parameters of the complete patient EHR |
| 13:48:29 | <jmiranda> hey pascal` |
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| 13:51:08 | <bwolfe> geonik: you're correct, hl7 is just a message standard and should not be used to store data. we send /receive hl7 messages to other systems |
| 13:51:28 | <bwolfe> yes, openehr is fraught with problems once you try to use it.../too/ much structure! |
| 13:51:38 | <bwolfe> can you define "relevant parameters" ? |
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| 13:55:24 | <pascal`> in the obs table, is value_boolean ever used? |
| 13:55:44 | <pascal`> it looks value_numeric is being used, with a value of 1 or 0 |
| 13:55:51 | <pascal`> anyone have any thoughts? |
| 13:56:05 | <bwolfe> pascal`: value_boolean is not used and needs to be removed |
| 13:56:19 | <pascal`> ok cool, thanks ben |
| 13:56:27 | <pascal`> *bwolfe |
| 13:56:45 | <bwolfe> pascal`: no worries, I have alerts to both ben and bwolfe. :-) |
| 13:56:56 | <pascal`> ok cool |
| 13:57:09 | <bwolfe> (at least until another Ben comes along and he starts getting talked about a whole lot) |
| 13:57:15 | <pascal`> also, is an up-to-date data model png ever going to be generaeted? |
| 13:57:21 | <pascal`> (= |
| 13:59:25 | <bwolfe> pascal`: paul said he was going to work on it...but I doubt it now. :-) |
| 13:59:31 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7337]: xforms module: serving patient medical history to mobile clients <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/7337> |
| 13:59:46 | <pascal`> ok |
| 14:00:06 | <pascal`> well, when i started working i soon realised that it was /way/ out of date... so i had to reverse engineer some stuff (= |
| 14:00:25 | <pascal`> also, why don't we use foreign keys between users and person? |
| 14:00:39 | <pascal`> that would at have made it easier to reverse engineer (= |
| 14:00:47 | <pascal`> *at least |
| 14:00:58 | <bwolfe> users.user_id = person.person_id |
| 14:01:12 | <bwolfe> there is a call to change to using separate foreign keys |
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| 14:03:08 | <pascal`> yeah, i realised they were equal... after some fumbling around |
| 14:03:20 | <pascal`> but using foreign keys would also ensure cascading deletes |
| 14:03:45 | <pascal`> and enforce database referential integrity |
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| 14:04:46 | <geonik> bwolfe I will try to present a real-world scenario and make a parallel with the openmrs model (which might be wrong since I am no expert in openmrs) |
| 14:04:46 | <geonik> a. a patient get's admitted in a healthcare provider => Patient creates, Encounter created |
| 14:04:46 | <geonik> b. doctor of specialty A records some observations => n Observation's are added to the Encounter |
| 14:04:46 | <geonik> c. doctor of specialty B does the same |
| 14:04:46 | <geonik> d. nurses C,D,E record body temperatures and other vital signs of the patients during the course of the followind days => n Observation's are added to the encounter |
| 14:04:49 | <geonik> e. doctor A revisits the patient record. He wants to be able to see Observation's that are relevant to his specialty (his own A, some of B and most of CDE) |
| 14:04:52 | <geonik> so actually the problem is to query the EHR both for specific Observation's and for specific date ranges... |
| 14:04:52 | <bwolfe> pascal`: the primary key of each is foreign keyed :-) |
| 14:07:56 | <bwolfe> geonik: so doctor A would define what he wants to see ahead of time? (or some admin does it for him) |
| 14:08:16 | <geonik> yes bwolfe, an admin does the pre-configuration for him |
| 14:08:44 | <bwolfe> geonik: there is a gsoc project to create "role based home pages" in openmrs. this would allow this type of view to be set up |
| 14:09:21 | <geonik> sounds very interesting, i will check this project up |
| 14:09:38 | <bwolfe> geonik: but with the normal data model it is also possible....just query out certain concept_ids from the obs (concept_ids are the question for the observation) |
| 14:09:40 | <pascal`> bwolfe, there are aparently also plans to introduce some kind of role based for entry capabilities |
| 14:09:48 | <bwolfe> pascal`: ? |
| 14:10:15 | <pascal`> sorry, just sort of half joining in your conversation with geonik |
| 14:10:43 | <pascal`> i.e. on the patient dash board, only forms that apply to a specific specialist would be displayed |
| 14:11:21 | <pascal`> maybe i'm missing the point, sorry. n00b. |
| 14:11:45 | <bwolfe> pascal`: ah yes, that is in the works too |
| 14:12:04 | <bwolfe> forms specific to both the user and that are only valid for current patient |
| 14:12:20 | <pascal`> yes |
| 14:12:56 | <pascal`> it hasn't been fully spec'd yet, but that is a good point. displaying of forms needs to take the user and the patient roles/permissions into account |
| 14:14:18 | <geonik> bwolfe and pascal, if i get it correctly, the EHR model of openmrs is 'flat', meaning it is just a linear collection of Observation's with different concepts ids? so actually querying for 'relevant' concepts id's is relatively easy. |
| 14:14:19 | <geonik> 'flat' in contrast to 'hierarchical', like to openehr one, where a 'body temperature' observation might contain other observations inside; for example clothing, method, etc |
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| 14:16:21 | <pascal`> geonik, i'm pretty sure observations aren't hierarchical |
| 14:18:45 | <geonik> pascal, the data model PNG on the site does agree with you |
| 14:20:11 | <pascal`> i wouldn't trust it 100%, but yeah, it's mostly right and it doesn't agree with me (= |
| 14:20:58 | <bwolfe> geonik: observations can be hierarchal, but most are not |
| 14:21:06 | <bwolfe> geonik: there are obs_group objects |
| 14:21:26 | <bwolfe> obs_groups are like CBC which contains the different blood tests |
| 14:21:51 | <bwolfe> so you can just get the CBC obs and it will contain (as a child list of obs) all the other tests as well |
| 14:22:08 | <bwolfe> see obs.obs_group_id in the data model |
| 14:24:01 | <geonik> the PNG is out-of-date indeed ;-) I will create a MySQL database with the latest .sql file to find the obs_groups table |
| 14:25:22 | <bwolfe> geonik: yeah, sorry. pascal` just mentioned that too. someone was supposed to have a new 1.4 data model image before it was released...but it slipped through the cracks. :-/ |
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| 14:27:28 | <geonik> bwolfe this no problem at all. The obs.obs_group_id column seems to do the job, thank you |
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| 15:53:41 | <pascal`> hi jmiranda |
| 15:53:47 | <jmiranda> hey |
| 15:54:27 | <pascal`> do you know if it's been done, or how to make a report with monthly summaries of observations |
| 15:54:52 | <jmiranda> pascal`: what kind of summary info are you looking for? |
| 15:55:10 | <pascal`> that is, a column for each month, and a numeric value in that column containing the amount of a specific made in that month |
| 15:55:40 | <pascal`> so, i want to do a report for a specific provider |
| 15:55:46 | <jmiranda> would be do-able with cross tabs in BIRT |
| 15:56:03 | <jmiranda> check the reports repository to see if it's been done |
| 15:56:11 | <pascal`> i have n different possible obervations, and want to track them per month |
| 15:56:29 | <pascal`> yeah, i will look there |
| 15:56:36 | <pascal`> was just wondering if you knew off hand |
| 15:56:37 | <jmiranda> and can you add a ticket for that |
| 15:56:54 | <jmiranda> maybe with an excel mockup of what it might look like |
| 15:57:11 | <jmiranda> i'd like to have that as a reference while i'm building some of our new reporting tools |
| 15:58:55 | <pascal`> ok, i'll first try and do it with cross tabs |
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| 15:59:37 | <pascal`> my head's been hurting trying to wrap itself around birt all day (= |
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| 16:03:12 | <jmiranda> when you hit a wall, send me what you have and i'll try to help you out |
| 16:03:36 | <jmiranda> or add that ticket with a mockup |
| 16:04:11 | <jmiranda> pascal`: and i can spend 30 minutes creating a quick report to help you get on the right path |
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| 23:30:07 | <omar_verduga> hi everybody |
| 23:34:57 | <Keelhaul> hi |
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| 23:53:10 | <omar_verduga> hey, I have a doubt concerning ticket 1330 |
| 23:53:31 | <omar_verduga> I'm a newbie so I dont know how much is the impact |
| 23:53:40 | <Keelhaul> !ticket 1330 |
| 23:53:40 | <OpenMRSBot> Keelhaul: Ticket #1330: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1330 |
| 23:54:50 | <omar_verduga> of making in HibernateConceptDAO at line 429 |
| 23:54:51 | <Keelhaul> omar_verduga: if you know how the API/DAO structure is, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:55:14 | <Keelhaul> what you need to do is write a new DAO method to do an exact match search |
| 23:55:26 | <omar_verduga> crit.add(Expression.eq("name", name, MatchMode.START)); instead of like |
| 23:55:28 | <Keelhaul> and delegate the service method to it instead of what it's doing now |
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| 23:55:43 | <Keelhaul> yea something like that |
| 23:56:03 | <omar_verduga> ok, then there's a impact if a overwrite the actual functionality right? |
| 23:56:35 | <Keelhaul> not sure whether START will do an exact match |
| 23:56:56 | <omar_verduga> and besides that, I need to declare that method on the interface right |
| 23:56:57 | <Keelhaul> i.e. darius seems to want it to only find "Date" when the parameter is "date", but not "Date |
| 23:56:58 | <Keelhaul> er |
| 23:57:04 | <Keelhaul> not "Date*" |
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| 23:57:41 | <Keelhaul> omar_verduga: yes, ConceptDAO and HibernateConceptDAO |
| 23:58:17 | <Keelhaul> and then have the method in ConceptServiceImpl call the new DAO method instead of what it's doing now |
| 23:58:37 | <omar_verduga> and the signature method in the correspondet ConceptService |
| 23:59:28 | <Keelhaul> nah |
| 23:59:41 | <Keelhaul> ConceptService already has a method signature |
| 23:59:56 | <Keelhaul> all you need to change is what DAO method the service method is calling |