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<Zakaria> ok keelhaul , ticket 1393 done !
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<Keelhaul> Zakaria: already? thanks!
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<Keelhaul> havent seen bmckown in a while
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<r0bby> Would i get kicked if i used figlet here?
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<Keelhaul> whatlet
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<Keelhaul> bwolfe: i did, he had an outdated trunk where LocationValidator wasnt moved yet
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<Keelhaul> so i'm waiting for the new one
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<bwolfe> Keelhaul: ok. it helps if the conversation happens in the comments. :-)
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<Keelhaul> 1394
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<Keelhaul> like firewire =)
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<pv78> hi everybody
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<ajitlodhi> hi
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<pv78> ajitlodhi: hope u be fine there!
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<ajitlodhi> server?
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<pv78> localhost
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<pascal`> morning
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<upul> Good morning Ben
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<bwolfe> hey upul
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<upul> bwolfe: Somebody has a flight to catch ;-)
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<upul> bwolfe: it's 6 AM
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<bwolfe> yeah. I have breakfast with a friend on Thurs mornings. I got ready a little quicker than normal today, so I had 10 mins to jump on and check my email. :-)
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<upul> bwolfe: i am, and I wasted a couple mins from that 10 mins :-)
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<bwolfe> heh
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<bwolfe> I actually didn't have too many emails
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<upul> upul: I have an account with about 1000 mails a day
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<upul> heh wrote it to myself
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<bwolfe> talking to yourself. you're like r0bby ! :-)
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<upul> anyway it's all mailing lists
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<bwolfe> upul: 1000 spam, or 1000 legitimate emails ?
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<bwolfe> ah
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<bwolfe> ok, breakfast time. bbl
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<nribeka> wow bwolfe in the morning
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<upul> Good morning nribeka
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<nribeka> morning upul
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<nribeka> ;)
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<upul> nribeka: 4PM
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<upul> nribeka: how's your health?
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<nribeka> ok now
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<nribeka> need to catch up lots of things :(
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<upul> nribeka: diseases :-D
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<upul> nribeka: it is the lighting season here these days
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<upul> most of the evenings it's rain and lots of thunder
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<nribeka> ah ic ic
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<upul> and hottest month too, i think we are closest to the sun this time of the year
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<geonik> dear all, i am new to this channel and to the openmrs project. We launched an EHR project at our company and we are still at the design phase of it. I was wondering if you would recommend the OpenMRS data model for a generic EHR software.
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<geonik> thank you upul, i will re-ask the question later
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<pascal`> hi
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<bwolfe> geonik: openmrs is built to be a generic EHR software. why not just use openmrs? :-)
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<pascal`> hey jmiranda
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<geonik> bwolfe during our initial research on existing (open) EHR architectures we found that
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<geonik> In comparison, we found that OpenMRS data model is very clean and nicely structured.
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<geonik> Our concern is if we will be able to 'cross-cut' the model in order to show part of the EHR for every doctor specialty, for example: the cardiologist front-end must show only the relevant parameters of the complete patient EHR
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<jmiranda> hey pascal`
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<bwolfe> geonik: you're correct, hl7 is just a message standard and should not be used to store data. we send /receive hl7 messages to other systems
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<bwolfe> yes, openehr is fraught with problems once you try to use it.../too/ much structure!
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<pascal`> ok cool, thanks ben
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<pascal`> *bwolfe
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<pascal`> ok cool
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<pascal`> well, when i started working i soon realised that it was /way/ out of date... so i had to reverse engineer some stuff (=
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<pascal`> yeah, i realised they were equal... after some fumbling around
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<geonik> bwolfe I will try to present a real-world scenario and make a parallel with the openmrs model (which might be wrong since I am no expert in openmrs)
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<geonik> e. doctor A revisits the patient record. He wants to be able to see Observation's that are relevant to his specialty (his own A, some of B and most of CDE)
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<geonik> so actually the problem is to query the EHR both for specific Observation's and for specific date ranges...
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<bwolfe> pascal`: the primary key of each is foreign keyed :-)
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<bwolfe> geonik: so doctor A would define what he wants to see ahead of time? (or some admin does it for him)
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<geonik> yes bwolfe, an admin does the pre-configuration for him
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<bwolfe> geonik: there is a gsoc project to create "role based home pages" in openmrs. this would allow this type of view to be set up
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<geonik> sounds very interesting, i will check this project up
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<pascal`> sorry, just sort of half joining in your conversation with geonik
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<bwolfe> see obs.obs_group_id in the data model
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<geonik> the PNG is out-of-date indeed ;-) I will create a MySQL database with the latest .sql file to find the obs_groups table
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<geonik> bwolfe this no problem at all. The obs.obs_group_id column seems to do the job, thank you
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<pascal`> hi jmiranda
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<jmiranda> hey
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<pascal`> do you know if it's been done, or how to make a report with monthly summaries of observations
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<jmiranda> pascal`: what kind of summary info are you looking for?
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<pascal`> that is, a column for each month, and a numeric value in that column containing the amount of a specific made in that month
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<pascal`> so, i want to do a report for a specific provider
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<jmiranda> would be do-able with cross tabs in BIRT
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<jmiranda> check the reports repository to see if it's been done
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<pascal`> i have n different possible obervations, and want to track them per month
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<pascal`> yeah, i will look there
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<pascal`> was just wondering if you knew off hand
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<jmiranda> and can you add a ticket for that
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<jmiranda> maybe with an excel mockup of what it might look like
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<jmiranda> i'd like to have that as a reference while i'm building some of our new reporting tools
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<pascal`> ok, i'll first try and do it with cross tabs
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<pascal`> my head's been hurting trying to wrap itself around birt all day (=
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<jmiranda> when you hit a wall, send me what you have and i'll try to help you out
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<jmiranda> or add that ticket with a mockup
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<jmiranda> pascal`: and i can spend 30 minutes creating a quick report to help you get on the right path
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<OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7340]: uuids: for #1382: * changed BaseOpenmrsObject.java to take in User and ⦠<http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/7340>
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<omar_verduga> hi everybody
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<omar_verduga> hey, I have a doubt concerning ticket 1330
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<omar_verduga> I'm a newbie so I dont know how much is the impact
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<Keelhaul> !ticket 1330
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<OpenMRSBot> Keelhaul: Ticket #1330: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/1330
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<omar_verduga> of making in HibernateConceptDAO at line 429
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<Keelhaul> omar_verduga: if you know how the API/DAO structure is, it shouldn't be a problem
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<Keelhaul> what you need to do is write a new DAO method to do an exact match search
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<omar_verduga> crit.add(Expression.eq("name", name, MatchMode.START)); instead of like
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<Keelhaul> and delegate the service method to it instead of what it's doing now
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<Keelhaul> yea something like that
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<omar_verduga> ok, then there's a impact if a overwrite the actual functionality right?
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<Keelhaul> not sure whether START will do an exact match
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<omar_verduga> and besides that, I need to declare that method on the interface right
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<Keelhaul> i.e. darius seems to want it to only find "Date" when the parameter is "date", but not "Date
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<Keelhaul> er
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<Keelhaul> not "Date*"
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<Keelhaul> omar_verduga: yes, ConceptDAO and HibernateConceptDAO
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<Keelhaul> and then have the method in ConceptServiceImpl call the new DAO method instead of what it's doing now
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<omar_verduga> and the signature method in the correspondet ConceptService
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<Keelhaul> nah
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<Keelhaul> ConceptService already has a method signature
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<Keelhaul> all you need to change is what DAO method the service method is calling
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