IRC Chat : 2009-04-05 - OpenMRS

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00:57:09 <Mkop2> hi, all
01:11:18 <Keelhaul> hi
01:11:24 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7262]: uuids: removed further references to synchronization <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/7262>
01:12:30 <Mkop2> 16 days to the announcement....
01:13:13 <Keelhaul> of what
01:13:24 <Keelhaul> accepted applicants?
01:13:36 <Keelhaul> i thought this takes a few days lol
01:15:26 <Mkop2> maybe openmrs will privately let people know earlier, but google only announces it on the 20th
01:17:32 <Mkop2> yesterday there were 26 ppl in here, now there's 13
01:17:46 <Keelhaul> heh
01:17:47 <Mkop2> well, 24/11 if you don't count the bot and Echidna
01:17:53 <Mkop2> so it's less than half right now
01:17:59 <Keelhaul> yesterday was the deadline
01:18:02 <Keelhaul> so people asked questions
01:18:02 <Mkop2> yep
01:18:09 <Keelhaul> notice how none of the ops hasnt been here all day
01:18:20 <Keelhaul> usually bwolfe comes here almost every day, but none of the other ops
01:18:31 <Keelhaul> jmiranda and bmckown from time to time
01:18:32 <Mkop2> I haven't noticed anything about all day, b/c I wasn't on the computer all day
01:18:52 <Keelhaul> heh
01:19:03 <Mkop2> I am Jewish, and keep sabbath pretty strictly
01:19:03 <Keelhaul> i noticed from your facebook profile
01:19:06 <Keelhaul> are you not allowed?
01:19:07 <Keelhaul> yea
01:19:15 <Mkop2> no computer from Friday sunset until saturday sunset
01:19:24 <Keelhaul> no electricity whatsoever?
01:19:43 <Mkop2> no manipulating electricity
01:19:54 <Mkop2> so whatever lights we have on from before, stay on
01:19:58 <Keelhaul> hah
01:20:00 <Mkop2> unless you have them on a timer or somethign
01:20:04 <Keelhaul> can you ask someone else to do it?
01:20:13 <Mkop2> in certain circumstances
01:20:32 <Mkop2> like, normally you can't, but if there's a pressing need, then certain things you can ask
01:20:55 <Mkop2> like if the lights are off in the synagogue or something, and a couple hundred people wouldn't be able to pray b/c of that, you can ask
01:21:27 <Keelhaul> how about calling 911
01:21:54 <Mkop2> if there's a serious medical need, then you can do whatever you need with no hesitation
01:22:10 <Keelhaul> heh
01:22:15 <Keelhaul> what about
01:22:26 <Keelhaul> gsoc deadline, which you can only meet if coding on a saturday =P
01:22:55 <Mkop2> :-)
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02:50:21 <bwolfe> hmm, seems that we have less people now the app time is closed :-/
02:51:05 <Keelhaul> heh
02:51:12 <Mkop2> yep
02:51:13 <Keelhaul> especially ops
02:51:24 <Mkop2> !seen bwolfe
02:51:24 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: bwolfe was last seen in #openmrs 1 minute and 2 seconds ago: <bwolfe> hmm, seems that we have less people now the app time is closed :-/
02:51:36 <Mkop2> !seen jmiranda
02:51:36 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: jmiranda was last seen in #openmrs 2 days, 10 hours, 38 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <jmiranda> use it
02:51:42 <Mkop2> !seen burke
02:51:42 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: burke was last seen in #openmrs 1 day, 5 hours, 37 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <burke> bbl
02:51:48 <Mkop2> !seen docpaul
02:51:48 <OpenMRSBot> Mkop2: docpaul was last seen in #openmrs 2 days, 22 hours, 56 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <docpaul> she made a mockery of things... watching dvr'ed show now
02:52:05 <bwolfe> yeah, you'll see burke/paul's attendance drop off dramatically :-p
02:52:11 <bwolfe> hehe
02:52:18 <bwolfe> they have better things to do :-p
02:52:36 <bwolfe> jmiranda tries to be on when he can...but he travels way too much
02:54:42 <Mkop2> whoa
02:54:49 <Mkop2> something is wrong with this, but I'm not sure what: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/4Ke24d3Rizo/drupalcon-dc.html
02:54:51 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/36DA> (at feedproxy.google.com)
02:56:38 <Keelhaul> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_55
02:58:22 <Mkop2> oh wow
02:58:27 <Mkop2> makes me feel dumb
03:02:18 <r0bby> ahh
03:02:21 <r0bby> Dmitri
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03:03:38 <r0bby> Mkop2: Dmitri is insanely smart
03:03:58 <Mkop2> have you met him, or just heard about him?
03:05:15 <r0bby> I've spoken to him in the soc chan
03:05:28 <r0bby> Picked his brain when i was having jquery issues
03:05:56 <bwolfe> 13 seems way too young
03:06:02 <bwolfe> he's ridiculuous
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03:09:52 <Keelhaul> being interested in content management systems at 13 is a bit weird
03:11:01 <r0bby> I think he's destinted to be a google employee as soon as he's eligible for employment :)
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03:11:15 <r0bby> bwolfe: I heard bout him last year :)
03:11:21 <r0bby> he's f'en insane!
03:13:43 <Mkop2> I think he's gonna be a google manager as soon as he's eligible for employment
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03:14:37 <Mkop2> Keelhaul: I'd rather he be interested in CMS at 13 than in something like kernels
03:15:03 <Keelhaul> heh
03:15:09 <Mkop2> he's a GSOC mentor
03:15:09 <Keelhaul> i wrote my first basic programs at 13...
03:15:29 <Mkop2> I don't know about you guys, but I would feel very weird being mentored by a 13 year old
03:15:31 <Keelhaul> but i wasnt interested in any computing concepts or anything
03:15:37 <Keelhaul> more like doom and day of the tentacle =)
03:15:57 <Mkop2> yeah, I started doing programming at 13
03:16:06 <Mkop2> my first programming book was Javascript for dummies
03:16:14 <Mkop2> bought with money that I got for bar mitzvah gifts
03:16:19 <Mkop2> thus, at exactly 13
03:16:37 <Mkop2> I also learned from Sam's C in 21 days
03:16:43 <Mkop2> and then C++ in 21 days
03:16:44 <Keelhaul> at 13?
03:16:52 <Mkop2> I think those were after I did javascript
03:16:58 <Keelhaul> damn
03:17:00 <Mkop2> I didn't make it through the whole books
03:17:07 <Keelhaul> after that basic class in 7th grade, which was fun
03:17:07 <Mkop2> i got through about day 10 in each of them
03:17:10 <Mkop2> great books
03:17:21 <Keelhaul> i didnt really do any programming until senior year programming classes
03:17:33 <Mkop2> at some point I should go through the rest of one of them
03:17:39 <Mkop2> Day 10 was structs
03:19:03 <r0bby> Mkop2: I woulda been honored to be mentored by a 13 year old
03:19:16 <Keelhaul> why
03:19:52 <Keelhaul> having someone half your age know twice as much as you is not an honor
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03:23:19 <Mkop2> bwolfe: re ticket 1044, was the renaming not discussed when the ticket was created?
03:25:02 <r0bby> Keelhaul: true
03:25:08 <r0bby> but regardless.
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03:27:23 <Mkop2> roommate's reaction to dmitry: "oh crap, what am I doing with my life?"
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03:33:17 <Mkop2> nribeka, you need to get more reliable internet. I feel sorry for you :-)
03:34:47 <bwolfe> Mkop2: not discussed enough
03:35:52 <Mkop2> oh, ok
03:36:55 <Keelhaul> bwolfe: are unit tests for those 2 lines of code in the validator really necessary?
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04:02:01 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: yeah
04:02:19 <Keelhaul> bwolfe: because i cant find a way to test a validator in particular
04:02:37 <Keelhaul> i tried a controller test, but it throws a hibernate exception
04:02:44 <Keelhaul> if any of the required members is missing
04:02:58 <Keelhaul> i thought with a validator in place, it's nto supposed to come that far
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04:20:39 <Keelhaul> =/
04:22:22 <Mkop2> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal/intercal.txt
04:22:24 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/36DU> (at www.muppetlabs.com)
04:23:21 <Mkop2> one example of a quote: " The full name of the compiler is "Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym", which is, for obvious reasons, abbreviated "INTERCAL". "
04:35:03 <Mkop2> Anything the compiler can’t understand, which in a normal language would result in a compilation error, is just skipped.
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04:43:34 <Keelhaul> gn
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04:48:38 <Mkop2> did he just go to sleep at 5:45 AM germany time? wow
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05:15:25 <r0bby> Mkop2: i went to bed @ 7:30am this am
05:15:42 <Mkop2> why?
05:15:51 <Mkop2> I've gone to sleep at 5 some nights recently
05:16:15 <r0bby> Well, I had fallen asleep at 6something last night; then woke up @ 1something in the morning
05:17:15 <Mkop2> oh
05:19:26 <r0bby> cute
05:19:43 <r0bby> there is an unused import for ArrayList in the String class code
05:24:25 <r0bby> I finally get to use this oldddddd mysql book i bought YEARS ago
05:24:39 <r0bby> ...2002
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06:00:41 <Mkop2> hi, nribeka
06:01:24 <nribeka> yo Mkop2
06:01:42 <r0bby> is comcast that shitty?
06:01:50 <r0bby> or is it flakey wifi?
06:01:52 <Mkop2> no, it's his pitt connection
06:02:06 <r0bby> heh
06:02:08 <nribeka> why?
06:02:14 <Mkop2> you bounce in and out a lot
06:02:23 <Mkop2> nribeka3 was in here before
06:02:32 <nribeka> really?
06:02:39 <Mkop2> yep
06:02:44 * r0bby is sick :(
06:02:54 <nribeka> sick?
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06:03:12 <nribeka> i left the comp on this afternoon
06:03:13 <Mkop2> sick?
06:03:17 <Mkop2> feel better!
06:03:39 <nribeka> i went to my friend place
06:03:50 <Mkop2> were you on wifi?
06:04:01 <nribeka> yes
06:04:04 <nribeka> haha
06:04:29 <nribeka> how's the apps Mkop2?
06:04:39 <Mkop2> submitted
06:04:41 <r0bby> nribeka you applied right?!!?!!
06:04:42 <nribeka> when is the announcement btw?
06:04:44 <nribeka> no
06:04:47 <r0bby> 20 April
06:04:48 <Mkop2> I ended up applying for 2
06:04:59 <nribeka> i think i said it many times
06:05:03 <Mkop2> r0bby: which project did you apply for? are you saying now?
06:05:06 <nribeka> i'm not applying :P
06:05:18 <r0bby> Mkop2: Aggregate Data Entry tool
06:05:33 <Mkop2> I don't know of anyone else who applied for that
06:05:39 <r0bby> me neither
06:05:41 <Mkop2> that was prob your goal, I assume
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06:05:51 <r0bby> Yes :)
06:06:01 <nribeka> which proeject are you applying Mkop2?
06:06:10 <Mkop2> and probably, any application that wasn't accompanied by at least some IRC presence is not a quality app
06:06:13 <r0bby> Mkop2: I spoke w/ Mike Seaton bout it the other day :)
06:06:27 <Mkop2> I applied for active lists, and put together a last hour app for frontlinesms
06:06:46 <r0bby> My proposal missed the target on the objectives but we ironed out the problems in a skype im session :)
06:07:08 <r0bby> I also may have convinced him to let me do it in groovy
06:08:01 <Mkop2> what was he envisioning it would be in?
06:08:08 <r0bby> Java.
06:08:26 <r0bby> I have a strong enough grasp on the language that i'm ok
06:09:00 <r0bby> my current method to get a form by id
06:09:01 <r0bby> GroovyForm form = groovyForms.find { GroovyForm form -> form.id == id }
06:09:28 * r0bby <3s closures
06:12:16 <r0bby> nribeka: why didn't you apply!??!?!?!
06:12:24 <r0bby> there was another patient matching project!
06:15:07 <Mkop2> r0bby: check PM
06:19:12 <nribeka> it would be troublesome with the legal stuff
06:19:31 <nribeka> the work authorization is kinda difficult
06:19:47 <Mkop2> are you gonna be in the US for the summer?
06:19:59 <nribeka> yes i think so
06:30:34 <Mkop2> it's somewhat ironic that since you're in the US, you're not able to work for a US company
06:30:43 <Mkop2> if you were elsewhere, you'd be able to work for the US company
06:31:40 * Mkop2 just deleted eclipse JEE, and more than doubled the free space on his C: drive
06:36:15 <Mkop2> hmm
06:36:16 <Mkop2> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations
06:36:20 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/35lK> (at socghop.appspot.com)
06:36:34 <Mkop2> allocations are based on proportion of applications
06:36:46 <Mkop2> gsoc got 5500, openmrs got ~100
06:37:04 <Mkop2> so that means that openmrs should get close to 20 allocations
06:37:17 <Mkop2> except for the cap of number of mentors
06:42:50 <nribeka> how do you know we got 100 apps Mkop2?
06:42:55 <nribeka> :D
06:42:59 <Mkop2> ben said so
06:43:02 <nribeka> ooo ic ic
06:43:06 <nribeka> cool then
06:43:07 <nribeka> :D
06:44:04 <r0bby> i'm a shoe-in
06:44:06 <r0bby> i hope :)
06:44:11 <nribeka> yeah, it's ironic. the first thing that was asked to me in an interview is are you a holder of green card or US citizen. when i say no, i can tell that they just want to end the interview right away
06:44:12 <nribeka> lol
06:44:43 <Mkop2> nribeka: that's not always the case. My family got to the US because IBM sponsored us with green cards
06:46:11 <Mkop2> but I see your point
06:46:47 <nribeka> ooo where are you from originally Mkop2?
06:46:56 <Mkop2> South Africa
06:47:04 <nribeka> well, that's been always the case with my interview :D
06:47:10 <nribeka> ooo ic ic Mkop2
06:47:26 <nribeka> openmrs folks went to SA last year i think
06:49:05 <Mkop2> yep
06:50:29 <nribeka> i wish i could go there next year lol
06:50:35 <nribeka> i wanna watch fifa world cup :D
06:51:04 <Mkop2> lol
06:53:18 <nribeka> :
06:53:20 <nribeka> :P
07:03:34 <r0bby> this is hot
07:03:36 <r0bby> sessionFactory.currentSession.get(GroovyForm.class,id) as GroovyForm
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08:43:41 <ajay_chhatwal> i have applied for two projects...when can i expect to reviews/comments ?
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09:03:05 <Mkop2> ajay_chhatwal: there are no mentors in here now. Try asking in the morning USA time
09:03:46 <ajay_chhatwal> ok...thanks
09:04:04 <r0bby> oh wow
09:04:51 <r0bby> Mkop2: if you ever code in groovy -- the groovy truth is such an awesome thing
09:05:09 <r0bby> if(list) will catch: null and empty lists :)
09:05:10 <Mkop2> r0bby: still up? :-P
09:05:26 <Mkop2> python has that also
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09:05:31 <r0bby> yeh just coded the dao/service class for groovy
09:05:34 <r0bby> forms
09:05:37 <Mkop2> cool
09:06:21 <r0bby> I dont define getters/setters either :)
09:06:35 <r0bby> if i have to use java this summer it's gonna be painful
09:06:55 <r0bby> I don't use semi-colons if i dont need to
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09:32:33 <r0bby> agh
09:32:37 <r0bby> my throat is killing me
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10:32:33 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [7263]: groovyforms: commiting a truckload of things i've written over the past … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/7263>
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10:52:02 <r0bby> sweet leaping jesu
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10:53:00 <pv78> hi all
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14:30:04 <Agnor> hi
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15:08:50 <Mkop2> hi, Agnor
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18:00:16 <Mkop2> hmm
18:00:24 <Mkop2> I think I just sent grep into an infinite loop
18:00:57 <Mkop2> grep 'a pattern' * > bla.txt, and I think it kept going through bla.txt (which was part of *) grepping itself into itself
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18:14:10 <pv78> hi all
18:14:48 <pv78> hi ajitlodhi:
18:22:32 <Mkop2> hi, pv78
18:22:34 <pv78> Mkop2: i am dealing with two tables in my own module through my own service class. but it works fine with one table and show error with 2nd table
18:23:22 <Mkop2> I have zero experience with this kind of stuff
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18:23:28 <pv78> while i am using createCriteria()
18:23:35 <pv78> ok..!
18:23:40 <Mkop2> if you show me the errors I *might* have some kind of idea, but it's probably unlikely
18:24:07 <Mkop2> what's the error?
18:24:12 <Mkop2> openmrs.pastebin.net
18:24:19 <pv78> org.hibernate.exception.SQLGrammarException Could not execute qury
18:24:28 <Mkop2> http://openmrs.pastebin.com/ I meant
18:25:18 <Mkop2> can you paste the entire stack trace, and/or the relevant code? a single exception like that isn't much help
18:26:02 <pv78> http://openmrs.pastebin.com/m60659565
18:27:44 <Mkop2> idk
18:28:01 <Mkop2> could I see some code?
18:29:57 <pv78> http://openmrs.pastebin.com/m3c24447
18:30:51 <Mkop2> which part of the code is giving that problem?
18:31:50 <pv78> plz consider follwing line of code : 21,21,42, 181 , 219
18:32:07 <Mkop2> you have to understand, it's very difficult for me to try to debug code that I've never seen, don't know how it works or what it's supposed to do, without some more helpful info from you
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18:33:51 <greendots> Hi
18:34:10 <Mkop2> hi, greendots
18:35:10 <pv78> functions at line 249 and 224 acts in same manner but with separate tables... line 249 function work of while 224 shows error
18:36:55 <Mkop2> pv78: I'm sorry, but I can't/don't have time to figure this out. Sorry
18:37:15 <Mkop2> part of writing code is debugging
18:37:42 <Mkop2> as you are the one who knows what the code is and how it works, you can't just have someone else do the debugging for you
18:37:52 <Mkop2> try to narrow it down to a more specific issue
18:37:55 <pv78> it ok Mkop2 : thanx for ur precious time :)
18:38:12 <pv78> yea
18:38:19 <Mkop2> then you can either ask a more directed question here, or go somewhere else where you might be able to get other people to help
18:38:37 <pv78> right..!
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18:43:48 <Mkop2> hey, nribeka!
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19:09:35 <nribeka> ola Mkop2
19:09:37 <nribeka> :D
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19:31:32 <Mkop2> wow, this place is QUIET today
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21:52:13 <greendots> does any one know how many projects/slots openMRS will be allowed for gsoc?
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22:11:03 <r0bby> greendots: depends
22:11:45 <r0bby> 14 slots
22:11:48 <r0bby> approx
22:12:12 <r0bby> though can't say for certain
22:12:17 <r0bby> google is budgeting this year
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22:56:33 <Mkop2> r0bby / greendots: according to my calculations, we shouldn't be limited by google slots
22:56:51 <Mkop2> they're awarded basically in proportion to the number of applications
22:57:04 <Mkop2> gsoc in total got ~5500, and openmrs got ~100
22:57:16 <Mkop2> since there's 1000 slots, that means openmrs would get 20
22:57:21 <Mkop2> our cap is the number of mentors
22:58:45 <greendots> 5500 applications or students?
22:59:05 <r0bby> applicants
22:59:10 <r0bby> 1000 cap of slots
22:59:18 <r0bby> cap of 1000 slots rather
22:59:43 <r0bby> last year, soc had 1,125 students like i said the other day; 80% success rate
22:59:44 <greendots> then each applicant has up to 20 applications
22:59:51 <Mkop2> 5500 applications, and 3000 something students
23:00:18 <r0bby> hrm i didn't think of that one
23:00:26 <greendots> ah good :)
23:00:30 <Mkop2> I'm remembering the number as being something like 3800 students, but I'm not sure
23:01:34 <r0bby> lh will post stats soon
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23:05:24 <Mkop2> lh already posted the stats I said
23:05:42 <Mkop2> well, not publically, but they were announced in #gsoc
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23:06:45 <r0bby> Mkop2: blog or it did n't happen :)
23:07:07 <Mkop2> (3:00:10 PM) SRabbelier: The final number is 5887
23:07:13 <Mkop2> the blog post is coming on Monday
23:07:17 <r0bby> hah :)
23:07:24 <Mkop2> (3:00:47 PM) SRabbelier: 5887 is the final count
23:07:36 <Mkop2> (3:01:20 PM) SRabbelier: 3497 students applied intotal
23:08:08 <Mkop2> (3:03:06 PM) lh: folks, i am asking SRabbelier for the final numbers for you but if y'all could be nice and not blog all this until we do our official monday announcement, that'd be plain old grand
23:08:42 <r0bby> hah
23:11:15 <Mkop2> (3:11:34 PM) SRabbelier: 5860 students in total btw
23:15:16 <Mkop2> SRabbelier is the head guy of melange or something, btw
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23:24:29 <r0bby> I thought Pawal was
23:24:41 <r0bby> he's a developer
23:24:46 <r0bby> Pawal is the lead
23:26:52 <Mkop2> idk
23:27:01 <Mkop2> SRabbelier is something big
23:27:53 <r0bby> he has access to statistics.
23:28:25 <r0bby> he has access to all parts of the system
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