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<Nzeyi> Hi folks
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<nribeka> hi Nzeyi
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<nribeka> everyone is on the devs call right now
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<docpaul> hi Antoine. :)
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<Nzeyi> I was unable to join the conf call
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<Nzeyi> any help ?
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<docpaul> Maros talked about your work earlier.
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<nribeka> shri is explaining his project right now
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<docpaul> Justin might be able to add you with skype
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<Nzeyi> Ok hope it will work
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<jmiranda> jmiranda62 is my skype id
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<Nzeyi> let me add it to my list
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<nribeka> jmiranda, i'm adding you to my list too
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<jmiranda> just got it
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<Phantal> jmiranda, welcome back :)
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<jmiranda> nribeka, do you want to be added to the call too?
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<nribeka> i'm in the dev call
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<Phantal> jmiranda, so, on my question yesterday, what I was trying to determine is whether there exists either ETL scripts to generate an appropriate schema, or a schema already constructed
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<jmiranda> hey Phantal
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<nribeka> using my cell
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<jmiranda> Phantal, yes
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<jmiranda> Phantal, i was going to get back to you today
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<Phantal> oh, cool
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<jmiranda> the etl scripts are in the code on the google code site
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<Phantal> Reason I ask is, Tush has a learning curve ahead of him for learning Kettle, and I'm swamped with work otherwise I'd try to help more with the ETL work he needs to do, so I figured I could get started with the existing stuff and get a mondrian schema put together for you
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<jmiranda> the same zip files i referenced in the email to tush last week
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<docpaul> guys
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<Phantal> alright, i'll check those out
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<docpaul> who is working on ETL stuff?
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<jmiranda> docpaul, the typing might be me ... but i'm muted
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<docpaul> sorry, wasn't following
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<Phantal> Is the call you guys are doing something I should be apart of?
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<jmiranda> so i have no idea how that's working
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<Phantal> I'm in the middle of a training session
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<jmiranda> Phantal, it's a Google summer of code thing
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<Phantal> alright
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<jmiranda> not a data warehouse thing
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<docpaul> the lead developer of pentaho (the chief geek) is 1/3 of the way through a real "pentaho approved" prototype
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<Phantal> docpaul, Tushar G<something> is doing ETL for the OMRS dwh project
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<jmiranda> very cool
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<docpaul> we just got the design document last night
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<jmiranda> could you give us an update on that?
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<docpaul> and he's done an outstanding job
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<jmiranda> via email
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<docpaul> sure
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<docpaul> phantal, tell me more
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<jmiranda> yeah, we have a project in which a student in the UK is doing some work for his thesis
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<jmiranda> he's the student i just spoke about
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<Phantal> docpaul, Justin knows more abotu him than I
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<docpaul> ok
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<Phantal> docpaul, I was going to do the Mondrian schema when he got the underlying oltp schema put together
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<docpaul> of course it's great that he's working on it, but hopefully he can gain some economies by working alongside james and the pentaho folks
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<jmiranda> docpaul, yeah, i was hoping that would happen at some point
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<docpaul> phantal: what's your email address?
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<Phantal> docpaul, Who is doing what you were just talking about? Julian? Matt?
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<Phantal> docpaul, you can reach me either at brian.vandenberg@oakleynetworks.com, or phantall@gmail.com
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<docpaul> James Dixon, chief geek at Pentaho
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<Phantal> Oh, I don't know james at all
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<docpaul> well, let me send you both an email... sec
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<jmiranda> Phantal, dmoran is also probably a part of it
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<docpaul> doug definitely is
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<Phantal> doug i do know, he hangs out in #Pentaho sometimes
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<jmiranda> at least at a high level
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<docpaul> james is the lead developer at pentaho
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<jmiranda> Phantal, yeah exactly
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<Phantal> bah
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<docpaul> sent... check this out. :)
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<Phantal> I'm in this training and the trainers ran into some issues. They got it resolved, but the extra time spent is going to force me to take the 10am train instead of 9:30
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<docpaul> this is a generic solution for all openmrs installations
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<Phantal> speaking of dwh stuff, I came up with a new technique for dealing with some things that should come in handy
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<docpaul> phantal: did you get my email?
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<docpaul> justin?
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<Phantal> It's a little in-depth, so I won't bore you with it right now, but anyway ...
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<jmiranda> docpaul, yeah i just got it
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<Phantal> docpaul, thank you. Just got it, it's open on my work machine now, but I'm VPNd, in, tunneling remote desktop through two servers, so I'm not going to try to read it until I ge tinto the office
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<docpaul> cool, eager to hear your thoughts
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<jmiranda> this is cool
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<docpaul> i hope you dont mind me driving this a little bit
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<jmiranda> docpaul, btw tushar approached me at the beginning of the summer
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<Phantal> docpaul, not at all. ETL is absolutely the most time consuming part of the construction phase of a warehouse
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<Phantal> Writing the mondrian schema that sits on top of it is a walk in the park by way of comparison
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<jmiranda> and wanted to get him (and brian, haza) involved in the pentaho-run project
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<Phantal> jmiranda, i would highly recommend you keep your eye on postgres, and a product called 'everest'
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<docpaul> there were some specific constraints related to openmrs that i wanted to make sure we accounted for
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<jmiranda> but i didn't want there to be too many cooks in the kitchen
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<Phantal> everest is a custom postgres database engine that's column-orientd, but built by Yahoo
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<jmiranda> stirring the kettle
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<docpaul> 1) it's up to the specific implementation as to what concepts are measured and stored
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<Phantal> Yahoo hasn't decided whether to release it back to the postgres community or not
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<jmiranda> i've heard of everest actually
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<Phantal> My experience thus far with warehousing is, if you have a lot of data, you need a beefy machine to handle the load
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<docpaul> because we've normalized clinical data away from the database design
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<Phantal> but if you can get a column-oriented database to back your warehouse, it's able to handle the load better
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<docpaul> isn't that some of the magic behind ROLAP?
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<docpaul> optimized column behavior?
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<Phantal> well, lemme give a simple example to illustrate what ROLAP does
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<Phantal> here's a very simple MDX query
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<Phantal> select {[Measures].[Sales Amount]} on columns, {[Products].[All Products].children} on rows from [sales cube]
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<Phantal> That would be translated into a couple of SQL queries
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<docpaul> ah
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<Phantal> select sum(sales_amount), productid from sales_facts group by productid;
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<Phantal> select productid, product_name from product_dimension, sales_facts <appropriate stuff to join the tables)
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<Phantal> Then the resultset is put together by comparing the totals from the first query with the product names & ids in the 2nd
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<Phantal> and there may be an extra query or two to add in other important details
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<Phantal> So, all ROLAP really does is translate MDX to SQL, get resultsets, then cache the resultsets for future use to avoid hitting the OLTP db again with the same (or similar) queries
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<Phantal> As far as speed/optimizations go, using something like Vertica, Brighthouse, Everest, or MonetDB would improve things drastically over something like Mysql, postgres, oracle, etc
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<docpaul> so rolap is database independent?
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<Phantal> I'd actually suggest we use monetdb if it weren't buggy, and limited to in-memory storage space
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<docpaul> i thought it was related to a specific db codebase
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<Phantal> docpaul, to the extent that the underlying db supports the SQL mondrian generates
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<docpaul> phantal: have you joined our developer's list?
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<docpaul> we need your brain and insight as we evolve the DW concept
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<Phantal> nope, not yet
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<jmiranda> docpaul, are the pentaho guys lurking on the dev list?
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<Phantal> I've been so busy with things going on at work, home, and school starting again in 6 weeks, I've hardly had time to spend any time on this project
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<docpaul> they will be soon. we're just trying to get a strawman realized, and then we'll share it with the team
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<jmiranda> i created a google data warehouse group that is being used as a "dump" of all our materials
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<docpaul> we've given them a 28 million obs dataset, a sample report, and some design specifications
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<docpaul> this document was the first pass at the general solution
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<jmiranda> i saw that
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<jmiranda> i'm very excited to see a first draft of the schema
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<docpaul> yeah, i am too... b/c they've proved that my dream scenario is possible
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<docpaul> we can get to a place where a report builder simply chooses the data points of interest, and then a schema is built on the fly
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<docpaul> then the "slicing and dicing" tools can help build reports
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<docpaul> they're going to prototype the PEPFAR form just as a proof of concept
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<docpaul> er, PEPFAR report
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<docpaul> the dream of course is that they can use the exisiting report tools to get started, but as the implementation grows, they can layer on this DWH option for scale
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<jmiranda> yeah, that's what i've been saying for years ... we (read: james arbaugh) needs the DW option
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<jmiranda> glad to see this moving forward
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<docpaul> phantal: understand how life is... perhaps now that Pentaho themselves are doing a lot of the heavy lifting, that there will be opportunities for you to contribute incrementally vs. conceptualizing the entire enchilada
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<docpaul> sri: of course... thank you!
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<sprasann1> docpaul: thanks a lot paul... seeing you in the channel after a very longtime :)
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<docpaul> have a good doc visit! :)
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<jmiranda> docpaul, one thing i would like to see more of, could we start to get more developers into the conversation
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<docpaul> of course... i just wanted to give them the space to get focused and prove that the prototype works
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<docpaul> they want to do all this PR and stuff, and I think we need to crawl before we walk.... i'm holding them to getting something real instantiated
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<r0bby> Welcome :>
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<r0bby> Welcome to the channel, i'm the hyperactive something
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<r0bby> it seems half-baked, but while you were AWOL i had to come up w/ something :P
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<r0bby> we can move away from that when DWR is upgraded and I can do it in one DWR method :)
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<r0bby> from a servlet :>
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<r0bby> ekrub: whenever you have a chance, i'll open up the port and let you see what its like so you don't have to go the trouble of deploying
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<r0bby> also weird problem where i get some JS syntax errors when i first deploy the module; but when i do the deploy-web task the errors go away w/o any changes to the JSP
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<ekrub> r0bby: cule. sorry. in a meeting at the moment. looking forward to checking it out
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<r0bby> not sure what that is
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<r0bby> i'll let you be
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<r0bby> apologies
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<r0bby> I still have that
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<r0bby> man i miss my koosh :<
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<bmckown> ?
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<r0bby> you ever hear of koosh balls :P
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<bmckown> r0bby has bad aim.
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<r0bby> who'd I hit?
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<bmckown> no i haven't.
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<r0bby> aw come on
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<r0bby> you're older than I am!
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<bmckown> hit your monitor
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<r0bby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koosh_ball
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<r0bby> these things were neat
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<r0bby> I had a koosh sling shot...like rosie o'donnell had on her show :>
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<r0bby> that thing was neat to play w/ :)
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<bmckown> ah yes. I just did not know their name
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<r0bby> i just gave you a wikipedia article on it!
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<bmckown> i wasn't looking because i was on google
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<bmckown> yes saw the wikipedia article.
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<bmckown> hmm
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<bmckown> "developed in 1986" eh... I was too old for them in 1986.
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* r0bby wasn't
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<r0bby> I was i like 6 :>
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<r0bby> er no 4
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<bmckown> wow
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* r0bby is 26
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<bmckown> 38
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<r0bby> old man
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<bmckown> *real* old
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<r0bby> I bet burke is older
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<bmckown> burke is 24
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<r0bby> probably not the best thing to do when the mentors can change their evals :-)
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<r0bby> lies
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<njero> hey all, Leslie isn't around is she?
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<bmckown> njero, She has an e-mailed to the google mentors list as late as yesterday
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<njero> Aha...
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<njero> thanks bmckown :)
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<bmckown> sure :-)
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