IRC Chat : 2008-06-26 - OpenMRS

00:01:25 <r0bby> GOD! :D
00:01:27 <r0bby> I love this
00:06:42 <[mharrison]> huh?
00:14:10 <r0bby> document.getElementById("check").style.display = "none";
00:23:15 <r0bby> [mharrison] : DWR has some utility functions i could use
00:23:19 <r0bby> but im not using em
00:29:06 * r0bby sighs
00:30:01 <[mharrison]> In jQuery that line is $('#check').removeClass() =P
00:38:11 <r0bby> fuck
00:38:16 <r0bby> I want jquery
00:38:17 <r0bby> bad
00:38:45 <r0bby> Basically i wanna only expose infgormation as its needed
00:39:07 <r0bby> im stuck
00:39:36 <r0bby> im waiting for burke
00:39:39 <r0bby> But mostly im done
00:39:52 <r0bby> I'm working on the front-end
00:40:08 <r0bby> then i'll write the servlet and do the template stuff last :) but otherwise the work is done :)
00:40:19 <r0bby> saving it is done
01:54:07 <nribeka> bed guys ... bed ...
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03:50:46 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #880 (defect created): junit report fails to find xmls <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/880>
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06:07:19 <cancerb0y> bwolfe_bedtime awake??
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06:26:35 <bwolfe> cancerb0y: awake and here for a bit, then I need to go into the office
06:26:39 <bwolfe> did you have a quick question?
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09:39:05 <nribeka> bwolfe: are u busy? i have a question :D
09:54:42 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: PIH-EMR Blog: A Check Digit for Polyphemus <http://pihemr.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/a-check-digit-for-polyphemus/>
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10:12:52 <sunbiz> hey...bwolfe
10:13:04 <sunbiz> bwolfe: am I doing fine with the commit msgs now ??
10:19:13 <bwolfe> yep, well done sunbiz :-)
10:19:18 <bwolfe> nribeka: sure thing, fire away
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10:49:58 <r0bby> bwolfe: we're gonna have a great deal of difficulty rendering a JSP :/
10:50:17 <bwolfe> r0bby: perhaps
10:50:27 <bwolfe> but look into that request dispatcher thing
10:50:48 <bwolfe> you might be able to point at a specific location where you have written out the jsp
10:51:09 <r0bby> I fully understand MVC
10:51:23 <nribeka> bwolfe: patient record have the same set of property for one single instance of openmrs right?
10:51:24 <r0bby> bwolfe: it's out of the context path
10:51:32 <r0bby> ie in ~/.OpenMRS/
10:52:03 <r0bby> I wanna use the datepicker =(
10:52:20 <r0bby> Worst case, I rip the code for the patientselector and such
10:52:32 <r0bby> right?
10:52:45 <bwolfe> r0bby: right
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11:00:23 <r0bby> I was hoping to not have to learn too much js :(
11:00:42 <r0bby> mmm coffee
11:00:51 <sunbiz> r0bby: do u want to show data into a JSP page from a Servlet ??
11:01:39 <r0bby> sunbiz: no I want to completely render it
11:02:42 <sunbiz> then the the request dispatcher that Jim mentioned is the perfect thing
11:03:19 <bwolfe> sunbiz: r0bby's module is generating the jsp on the fly essentially
11:03:30 <bwolfe> do you know of a way to get that jsp to be rendered by the jsp engine ?
11:03:42 <sunbiz> r0bby: I asked because Servlets should be used as controller to render some data into the View
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11:04:09 <sunbiz> bwolfe: I think AJAX should help to render some changes in a JSP form
11:04:30 <bwolfe> what do you mean by render changes ?
11:04:39 <sunbiz> like Im doing in my module...
11:04:59 <r0bby> sunbiz: No, i need a servlet
11:05:00 <r0bby> such
11:05:07 <sunbiz> to search patients the patient search table is being rendered on the JSP page using a servlet and jQuery for the AJAX
11:05:31 <r0bby> http://localhost:8080/openmrs/groovyForms/../groovyForm?id=1
11:05:44 <sunbiz> localhost ??? some static IP could help
11:06:01 <r0bby> sunbiz: that's my local box
11:06:01 <r0bby> :P
11:06:19 <sunbiz> yeah... but I wont be able to access ur local box without a static IP !! :P
11:06:42 <r0bby> sunbiz: write down the ip :P
11:06:52 <r0bby> localhost is 127.0.0.1
11:06:52 <r0bby> :P \
11:07:02 <r0bby> aka loopback device :-)
11:07:07 <r0bby> you can register a domain name
11:07:16 <r0bby> or go to afraid.org
11:07:24 <sunbiz> ohhh... I never thought that I could access ur page using 127.0.0.1
11:07:29 <sunbiz> lemme try....
11:07:39 <r0bby> sunbiz: localhost == 127.0.0.1
11:07:39 <bwolfe> haha
11:07:40 <sunbiz> hey...its working I can see openmrs load !!!
11:07:46 <bwolfe> lol
11:07:48 <bwolfe> me too!
11:07:57 <r0bby> sunbiz: come on man!
11:08:02 <r0bby> you're smarter than this
11:08:08 <sunbiz> awesome work r0bby!! man... where can I nominate for the Nobel prize
11:08:11 <r0bby> Don't make me flame you
11:08:23 * r0bby gets out his flame thrower
11:08:24 * sunbiz slaps himself
11:08:42 <r0bby> it's ok :)
11:08:58 <r0bby> sunbiz: you also have a local LAN ip
11:09:11 <r0bby> mine is 192.168.1.243
11:09:18 <sunbiz> r0bby: I know... but I have a static IP
11:09:20 <r0bby> (statically assigned)
11:09:24 <sunbiz> with which u can use my OpenMRS
11:09:34 <r0bby> I don't want people using my OpenMRS
11:09:39 <r0bby> too many security risks
11:09:47 <bwolfe> r0bby: don't you have mybawx pointing at it ? or is that keelhaul?
11:09:55 <r0bby> I do
11:09:55 <sunbiz> r0bby: since u passed the link... I realized u wanted ppl to have a look
11:10:09 <r0bby> bwolfe: but not at port 8080 i closed that port
11:10:23 <bwolfe> so load tomcat on port 80 :-p
11:10:26 <bwolfe> or 443
11:10:38 <r0bby> bwolfe: i intentionally did it that way
11:10:47 <r0bby> sunbiz: I was giving an example!
11:10:50 <r0bby> of how it will bne
11:10:56 <r0bby> the servlet doesn't even work
11:11:07 <sunbiz> r0bby: why wouldn't it work ??
11:11:20 <r0bby> because i haven't written it yet
11:11:45 <sunbiz> r0bby: forget it man... I was just making a fool of me instead!!
11:11:47 <r0bby> bwolfe: port 80 is taken by apache and im too lazy to set up mod_jk
11:12:20 <sunbiz> bwolfe: don't u find DWR a little too complex ??
11:12:35 <sunbiz> bwolfe: and even Dojo for that matter
11:12:49 <bwolfe> sunbiz: nope, I like 'em both :-)
11:12:52 <bwolfe> very powerful
11:13:04 <bwolfe> but then again, I've poured many hours into both of them to get them working :-p
11:13:09 <bwolfe> so I might be biased
11:13:17 <sunbiz> man... u must b a genius then... I've found it ruin my ideology of KISS
11:13:49 <sunbiz> mayb u'll teach me DWR+Dojo someday
11:14:18 <r0bby> I know DWR
11:14:45 <r0bby> and i think i'm a whacko for typing document.getElementById("foo").innerHTML = ...
11:14:56 <bwolfe> sunbiz: I tried to make it all simple by making those PatientSearch.js and EncounterSearch.js files in the dojo package
11:14:58 <r0bby> rather tahn DWRUtil.setValue("out","...")
11:15:42 <bwolfe> nah
11:15:43 <sunbiz> bwolfe: it still is pretty complex for me
11:15:46 <bwolfe> I like the full one too
11:15:52 <bwolfe> guarantees me that it will work
11:16:00 <bwolfe> (unless the user is on NN4 of course)
11:16:01 <sunbiz> and did I forget telling its very slow
11:16:07 <bwolfe> slow?
11:16:08 <bwolfe> no way
11:16:15 <bwolfe> must be user error ;-)
11:16:20 <r0bby> Can anybody tell me why i feel like i'm doing the impossible here?
11:16:52 <bwolfe> because you're a masochist ? :-)
11:17:03 <sunbiz> bwolfe: no user error... all my browsers... Opera, FF2,FF3, Safari, Konqueror... is slow
11:17:14 <r0bby> I'm starting to wonder if i'm insane
11:17:17 <sunbiz> r0bby: why is it impossible
11:17:22 <sunbiz> Impossible is Nothing
11:17:38 <r0bby> sunbiz: because there are a few SMALL teeny weeny problems
11:17:47 <sunbiz> r0bby: therez a very thin line between genius and insane
11:18:00 <r0bby> Mostly im done :)
11:18:07 <r0bby> I got AJAX to publish/unpublish forms!
11:18:14 <r0bby> DWR is the shit
11:18:26 <r0bby> patientDash stuff is a portlet right?
11:18:36 <sunbiz> bwolfe: when u click on the Find/Create Patient on top... Does it load instantly for you ??
11:19:03 <sunbiz> on my browsers it takes about 2-3 seconds... after working on a lot of JavaScript
11:19:06 <r0bby> sunbiz: minus rendering time yes
11:19:16 <bwolfe> yeah
11:19:26 <r0bby> Graphs doesn't even render for me
11:19:35 <bwolfe> sunbiz: even a shift-reload (to clear cache) it loads in sub .5 seconds
11:19:50 <bwolfe> lunchtime
11:19:51 <bwolfe> bbl
11:19:52 <sunbiz> bwolfe: wow... must be something on my machine...
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11:20:07 <sunbiz> cya... me going off as well !!
11:20:28 <r0bby> sunbiz: NO
11:20:33 <r0bby> I must have more coffee
11:22:07 <sunbiz> r0bby: NO ??
11:22:36 <r0bby> you must stay and suffer
11:22:40 <r0bby> wait your project is easy
11:22:57 <sunbiz> r0bby: yes... :D
11:23:11 <r0bby> GAH
11:23:18 <r0bby> mine is moderate
11:23:35 <r0bby> If i had my way, i'd delegate the web design to somebody else
11:24:06 <sunbiz> r0bby: u the man!!
11:24:57 <r0bby> meh
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12:13:01 <nribeka> when updating the module global property definition in config.xml the update is not propagated to the database
12:45:05 <r0bby> bwolfe_away, i got it
12:45:21 <r0bby> if i can figure out a way to programmatically compile the JSP to a servlet
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12:49:06 <r0bby> sgrannis_: how is your java ee kung-fu?
12:49:34 <sgrannis_> hey :)
12:50:08 <r0bby> ugh
12:50:18 <r0bby> this actually isn't breaking MVC
12:50:23 <r0bby> I need to load a JSO
12:50:24 <r0bby> JSP
12:53:48 <sgrannis_> nribeka: how's it going?
12:54:00 <nribeka> hey sgrannis_
12:54:38 <sgrannis_> got the dedupe module all done? ;)
12:54:45 <sgrannis_> :P
12:54:46 <nribeka> haha ...
12:54:48 <nribeka> :P
12:55:10 <nribeka> still working on "getting patient properties" part
12:55:22 <sgrannis_> any new insights?
12:55:35 <sgrannis_> or does bwolfe continue to be completely useless ;)
12:55:59 <sgrannis_> (he's in a meeting, so I don't think he'll see htat!)
12:56:39 <nribeka> hahaha ...
12:57:03 <nribeka> i'm working with the beanutils, manage to extract some of it
12:57:14 <nribeka> got some questions though :P
12:57:30 <nribeka> the patient can have multiple address
12:57:51 <r0bby> nribeka: what you're doing took me not too long :P
12:57:55 <nribeka> hence, Set<PersonAddress> addresses
12:58:09 <nribeka> what do you want to do with that one?
12:58:33 <nribeka> r0bby: hehe ... nested properties :P
12:59:07 <sgrannis_> but only one address should be 'active' or 'preferred'
12:59:15 <sgrannis_> and we should use the 'preferred' value
12:59:32 <r0bby> nribeka: ?
12:59:37 <sgrannis_> others should be 'deprecated'
13:00:48 <nribeka> i think you would mean to use getPersonAddress (this method return the first address) :D
13:01:07 <sgrannis_> yes.
13:01:17 <nribeka> ic ic
13:01:24 <sgrannis_> whichever method leverages the 'prerferred' concept
13:01:36 <nribeka> wait up need to check the patient name
13:01:49 <nribeka> because the patient can have multiple names :P
13:02:05 <sgrannis_> technically, it shouldn't return the 'first' address, it should return the 'preferred'
13:02:21 <sgrannis_> yep
13:02:41 <sgrannis_> in future incantations, we'll leverage the multiple-values-per-trait issue. we just need to start slow
13:03:38 <nribeka> r0bby: need to figure out what to do with the non-simple-property
13:04:27 <sgrannis_> on an unrelated note, do you get the trac notifications when i crate new tickets?
13:04:52 <sgrannis_> (i include "nribeka" and "jegg" when submitting tickets"
13:05:11 <nribeka> yes, i got it
13:05:19 <sgrannis_> if you ever run out of things to do ... :)
13:05:28 <nribeka> the checkbox thing, right?
13:05:40 <r0bby> nribeka: /me snickers
13:06:00 <nribeka> sgrannis_: i will run out of things to do ... one day, but not today haha ...
13:06:01 <nribeka> :D
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13:27:45 <bwolfe> sgrannis: tsk tsk
13:27:54 <bwolfe> sgrannis: I always go back and read the irc logs :-p
13:29:04 <nribeka> bwolfe: sgrannis is running away from you :P
13:34:37 <jacobb> bwolfe, what's the patient_state table hold?
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13:37:52 <r0bby> bwolfe: I think RequestDispatchewr may work
13:38:13 <r0bby> just.. the JSP won't be on the context path =/
13:38:23 <r0bby> im ugh
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14:00:00 <jacobb> bwolfe
14:00:38 <jacobb> what's the patient_state table hold? particularly the state column
14:01:16 <bwolfe> I think thats for the program workflow stuff
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14:19:51 * r0bby might have better doing this entirely through AJAX
14:20:09 <r0bby> form submission all occuring via AJAX
14:20:20 <r0bby> it creates less of a headache for me
14:21:28 <sunbiz> r0bby: yes... and it reduces the load because lot less is loaded :P
14:21:48 <r0bby> sunbiz?
14:21:58 <r0bby> iirc gmail is almost entirely AJAX
14:22:33 <sunbiz> yes... thats why I said AJAX is good
14:23:04 <r0bby> bwolfe: would you oppose an all AJAX approach?
14:23:28 <r0bby> I could create a synthetic Session type thing
14:23:36 <r0bby> aka fake servlets
14:26:41 <r0bby> :S
14:27:08 <bwolfe> r0bby: yes, I oppose that
14:27:25 <r0bby> meh
14:27:36 <r0bby> it would make using JSP easier
14:27:51 <r0bby> I could 'inject' the markup easier via js
14:29:49 <r0bby> bwolfe: is it the stateful thing?
14:30:01 <bwolfe> ?
14:30:12 <r0bby> reason for your opposition
14:31:33 <bwolfe> its just the fact that javascript should not be used heavily
14:31:39 <bwolfe> especially for things like page loading
14:32:16 <r0bby> =(
14:32:48 <r0bby> Burke probably agrees there :<
14:33:17 <r0bby> I'm not gonna re-write components when there's viable solution =/
14:33:30 <bwolfe> I agree with that point :-)
14:33:49 <r0bby> it may not be ideal, but if it works why not
14:34:00 <bwolfe> r0bby: as a last resort, you could write the jsp to a file and then point the request dispatcher to that file
14:34:01 <r0bby> it'll work for a first pass if it works
14:34:09 <bwolfe> r0bby: do some reading on jsps and compiling jsps
14:34:14 <r0bby> that's what im doing :)
14:34:16 <bwolfe> surely there is a way to do it programmatically
14:34:24 <bwolfe> and standard-ly
14:34:38 <r0bby> request.getRequestDispatcher(GroovyFormsUtil.getViewDirectory(formId)+"/form.jsp")
14:34:41 <r0bby> .forward(request,response);
14:34:47 <r0bby> :)
14:35:12 <r0bby> (now it comes together how i planned to use it :)
14:35:26 <r0bby> an exception would *KILL* the entire method call :p
14:35:44 <r0bby> and swallowing it would make it pointless :P
14:35:53 <bwolfe> jacobb: you figure out htat ff3 bug yet ? ;-)
14:36:02 <bwolfe> someone needs to do that before rc4 :-p
14:36:14 <r0bby> bug are just unintential features
14:36:22 <r0bby> consider them freebies
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14:46:32 <r0bby> The system is actually in place already which is great -- the pieces need to come together
14:46:54 <r0bby> template needs to retain object references
14:46:55 <r0bby> :/
14:47:09 <r0bby> which is impossible
14:48:16 <r0bby> omg
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14:50:35 <yanokwa> is the openmrs.org site going up and down for anyone else
14:50:44 <bwolfe> negative
14:50:54 <bwolfe> openmrs.org or dev.openmrs.org yanokwa ?
14:51:06 <r0bby> quite fast for i
14:51:11 <bwolfe> perhaps you need to stop shaking your monitor? would htat cause it to stop moving up and down? ;-)
14:51:12 <yanokwa> www.openmrs.org
14:51:18 <yanokwa> bwolfe: har har har.
14:51:32 <bwolfe> worksforme
14:51:45 <bwolfe> maybe your washington connection is subpar
14:52:04 <yanokwa> nah. my connection at uw works great...i think it's my buddy's router that is screwing with me.
14:52:35 <r0bby> works for me to
14:52:39 <r0bby> pebkac that's what!
14:57:35 <bwolfe> r0bby: nah, pebkar
14:57:39 <bwolfe> r=router
15:00:09 <r0bby> heh yeh
15:00:18 <r0bby> bwolfe: i got an idea
15:00:34 <r0bby> what I'll do is maintain a static variable in the template generation util class
15:00:55 <r0bby> but after I'm done generating the template call a reset method which simply resets the reference to null
15:01:21 <r0bby> pass in GStrings
15:01:30 <r0bby> ${m.name} etc
15:02:57 <r0bby> not ideal, but i'm up against some interesting problems if I want the work flow the way i do
15:05:19 <bwolfe> static wouldn't be good
15:05:28 <bwolfe> what if two forms are loaded at the same time ? :-p
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15:06:58 <r0bby> fuck
15:07:06 <r0bby> I guess i need to make this an instance thing
15:07:11 <bwolfe> r0bby--
15:07:28 <bwolfe> family friendly chat room, remember r0bby ?
15:07:49 <r0bby> bwolfe: it's not a bad word!
15:10:13 <r0bby> poor burke gets so many emails from me
15:10:26 <r0bby> bout to add one more to let him know i solved this
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16:00:18 <r0bby> false alarm
16:03:31 <nribeka> !karma r0bby
16:03:31 <OpenMRSBot> nribeka: Karma for "r0bby" has been increased 4 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -2.
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16:36:03 * r0bby dances
16:36:58 <yanokwa> gar. wheres ben
16:37:20 <yanokwa> i found out why the website has been going down for me.
16:38:37 <r0bby> because you smell funny?
16:40:19 <yanokwa> r0bby: nah, i actually showered today, so it can't be that.
16:40:24 <yanokwa> if i edit http://openmrs.org/index.php?title=Step-by-Step_Installation_for_Developers and try to submit it, it says i don't have permission (even though i'm logged in) and then the site locks me out for some time.
16:40:25 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1yV7> (at openmrs.org)
16:40:41 <yanokwa> wanna try it out?
16:41:22 <r0bby> works for me when i log in :-)
16:43:33 <r0bby> this time its pebkac
16:44:31 <yanokwa> hmm. i still think the server is broken..
16:45:32 <r0bby> no
16:45:33 <r0bby> it's you
16:45:42 <r0bby> because clearly it works for me
16:47:40 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Saptarshi Purkayastha : Barcode Fun With OpenMRS <http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SunnyTalksTech/~3/320816666/barcode-fun-with-openmrs.html>
16:49:56 <yanokwa> nah. try actually making a change and submitting it to that page
17:17:46 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #881 (task created): View Fields Privilege Required but doesn't exist <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/881>
17:18:19 <r0bby> yanokwa: AGAIN :P
17:18:22 <r0bby> it's you
17:18:27 <r0bby> i just edited my wiki page
17:19:11 <r0bby> yanokwa: it's you
17:19:20 <yanokwa> r0bby: lies.
17:19:25 <r0bby> It is
17:20:32 <yanokwa> r0bby: try editing the url i sent you, not your wiki page.
17:21:00 <r0bby> ok
17:21:05 <r0bby> works for what i need so i dont care
17:21:06 <r0bby> :)
17:21:09 <yanokwa> r0bby: prepare your apology..
17:21:20 <r0bby> \NEVER
17:21:35 <r0bby> I will not admit defeat
17:21:41 <r0bby> load your gun kthx
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19:13:23 <yanokwa> r0bby: being kinda quiet there...
19:18:17 <yanokwa> bwolfe: do you have an eta on the mod_security thing?
19:18:41 <r0bby> bwolfe we have a problem
19:19:23 <r0bby> The GroovyShell's classloader doesn't pull in bindings, and furthurmore, bindings don't seem to work outside of simple scripts
19:29:42 <bwolfe> r0bby: I don't know what you mean by bindings
19:29:50 <bwolfe> yanokwa: haven't looked at it yet, sorry
19:30:02 <bwolfe> my wifes hdd failed, I'm trying some deep rescue and recovery!
19:30:19 <r0bby> bwolfe: with Bindings you can specify a String and Object mapping
19:30:20 <yanokwa> bwolfe: ouch. what os?
19:30:43 <r0bby> so we can bind the service classes
19:32:34 <bwolfe> yanokwa: shes on windows...but its just a hdd thing. like a clicking. I have a cool ide-->usb adapter to open it anywhere
19:32:45 <bwolfe> I've taken it apart and now I'm hoping to transplant the disks
19:32:56 <bwolfe> hdds look pretty cool inside...I've never seen on before. :-)
19:33:21 <yanokwa> it doesnt take much to get a hdd head to crash...
19:33:28 <yanokwa> just a bit of dust and you're hosed.
19:33:35 <bwolfe> heh
19:33:44 <bwolfe> yeah, probably should be doing this in a clean room :-p
19:34:01 <yanokwa> im assuming the data is backedup and you are just fooling around?
19:34:24 <bwolfe> what women do you know that back up their data?!?!
19:34:44 <yanokwa> what men do you know insist their women back up their data?
19:35:12 <bwolfe> not any in this house :-)
19:38:10 <r0bby> bwolfe: I seriously am gonna go postal
19:38:27 <r0bby> where is burke?
19:38:38 <r0bby> it's easier to get a hold of bush than him
19:38:38 <bwolfe> at home probably
19:38:49 <bwolfe> thinking of ways to avoid you, I'm sure. ;-)
19:39:02 <r0bby> GAH I NEED HELP DAMN TI
20:05:38 <r0bby> meh
20:06:10 <r0bby> There's one way i gotta write in wrappers for all services :/
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21:12:32 <sgrannis_> howdy
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22:45:47 * pearlbear nudges [mharrison]
22:45:49 <pearlbear> you awake?
22:46:30 * r0bby killed [mharrison]
22:46:56 <pearlbear> is that so?
22:52:47 <[mharrison]> 'fraid so
22:53:05 <pearlbear> you're dead?
22:53:21 <[mharrison]> yup
22:53:40 <pearlbear> I guess that means asking you how things are going with docs would be moot, then, eh? ;-)
22:53:47 <[mharrison]> lol
22:54:14 <pearlbear> I'm late with the style guide, but it's happening slowly. I'm about to go offline for a few days of break, though.
22:54:20 <[mharrison]> They haven't been going yet, I'm afraid
22:54:42 <[mharrison]> Cool. I'll be in Boston tomorrow-Monday, but online
22:55:14 <pearlbear> let's touch base again late next week, when I get back, and see where we've gotten to.
22:55:32 <[mharrison]> Sounds good - I should definitely have more time next week to work on em
23:06:55 <pearlbear> cool
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23:18:44 <nribeka> sgrannis: are u there?
23:28:07 <r0bby> ugh
23:28:12 <r0bby> i cant work anymore
23:28:55 <upul> r0bby: work!!!
23:29:52 <r0bby> need help
23:34:06 <upul> i have 20 page assignment to do in 2 weeks, and they don't allow fonts larger than 10
23:35:10 <r0bby> ouch
23:35:19 <r0bby> upul: learn to fluff be wordy
23:35:23 <r0bby> yet be on topic
23:37:39 <upul> assignment marks say i'm passed or failed for the whole module, have to get through it