IRC Chat : 2008-05-19 - OpenMRS

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00:34:40 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Implementing Epihandy Module <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=376#p1225>
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01:37:02 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4249]: groovyforms: initial work on the front-end along with i18n stuff. This … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4249>
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02:09:03 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Robby O'Connor: Google Summer of Code Status Report <http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/robbyoconnor/~3/293280477/google-summer-of-code-status-report.html>
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02:32:39 <r0bby> /jerk/jj
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08:43:10 <nribeka> yaayyyy got the book :D
08:54:24 <[OmegentooX]> Nice
08:54:28 <[OmegentooX]> I'm expecting mine today too
08:57:08 <nribeka> you know the book already right [OmegentooX]?
08:58:44 <[OmegentooX]> Yeah
08:58:55 <[OmegentooX]> Really excited about it
09:06:10 <nribeka> i hope it will help me to improve my code
09:10:27 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Implementing Epihandy Module <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=376#p1226>
09:11:41 <[OmegentooX]> Ideally it should make it more beautiful =)
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09:19:07 <nribeka> hehe ... :D
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11:12:51 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4251]: Initial import. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4251> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4250]: Initial import. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4250>
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12:19:02 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4253]: archetypesmodule module: moved to archetypes module <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4253> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4252]: archetypes module: moved files from archetypesmodule module <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4252>
12:56:46 <r0bby> wow im realzing dojo doesn't even touch my module
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13:05:09 <pearlbear> hey, am I correct in realizing there are no docs for upgrading MySQL schema after a version upgrade? Or am I missing it somewhere?
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13:19:17 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4255]: Applying patch #614 author: ball <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4255> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4254]: changes to hibernate file <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4254>
13:28:40 <nribeka> james_regen: committed the changes
13:31:13 <james_regen> great, thanks.
13:44:58 <r0bby> pearlbear
13:45:01 <r0bby> it's common sense
13:45:21 <r0bby> mysql -u whatever openmrs < /path/to/schema.sql
13:45:44 <r0bby> really i dont think we should have to do this
13:45:50 <r0bby> hibernate should update for us..
13:45:59 <r0bby> I *REALLY* dislike this aspect of openmrs
13:48:26 <r0bby> jmiranda: your two cents on my general project plan posted to my blog
13:49:27 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4257]: patientmatching: Added standard deviation, confidence interval and logic … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4257> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #758 (task closed): There's no good way to see observations longitudinally for data cleanup purposes <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/758#comment:1> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4256]: Implementing #758 - There's no good way to see observations longitudinally … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4256> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #758 (task created): There's no good way to see observations longitudinally for data cleanup purposes <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/758> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #614 (task closed): Find Concept Drug search is broken <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/614#comment:9>
13:49:30 <jmiranda> r0bby: first of all, i completely agree with your dislike of the data model upgrade process
13:49:44 <jmiranda> i have been researching different ways to make this better
13:50:38 <jmiranda> and i have to say that what ben devised is better than most of the solutions i've seen
13:50:44 <pearlbear> r0bby: common sense has to be documented, too
13:51:12 <jmiranda> now, as far as your your project ... haven't had a chance to review yet, sorry :(
13:51:20 <pearlbear> first off, it's not completely obvious where the /path/to/schema.sql is
13:51:34 <pearlbear> and people may, or may not be familiar with mysql.
13:52:41 <jmiranda> pearlbear: i thought he was being sarcastic with the "it's common sense" comment ... right r0bby? :)
13:53:00 <jmiranda> it's definitely not common sense
13:53:32 <r0bby> jmiranda
13:53:39 <jmiranda> yup
13:53:39 <r0bby> Hibernate should handle schema generation :)
13:53:54 <jmiranda> it should handle schema generation ... yes
13:53:56 <pearlbear> jmiranda: ah, ok, I didn't pick that up...
13:54:02 <r0bby> that is the whole point
13:54:14 <r0bby> otherwise we should handle db stuff with straigjht jdbc
13:54:22 <jmiranda> but what about going from one version of the data model to the latest
13:54:30 <jmiranda> that is a very difficult problem to solve
13:54:50 <jmiranda> especially when dealing with the migration of data from one version to the next
13:55:26 <jmiranda> i've been looking into this for another project and there aren't very many good solutions out there
13:55:32 <r0bby> this is where we have an issue -- we shouldn't be generating the schema manually
13:55:42 <r0bby> it should COMPLETELY OO
13:55:56 <r0bby> by doing it this way, we're tying people to mysql
13:56:10 <jmiranda> yes, there's two options there: Hibernate xdoclet and annotations
13:56:22 <r0bby> JPA++
13:56:35 <r0bby> Hibernate just happens to be an implementation ;)
13:56:48 <r0bby> and JPA is annotation driven!
13:57:11 <jmiranda> right
13:58:19 <jmiranda> but say we're using annotation driven DML
13:58:40 <jmiranda> and you make a simple change (column name change)
13:59:03 <jmiranda> actually, that's a bad one because the name change could be handled without affecting the data
14:00:37 <mshanks> evening all
14:00:55 <nribeka> morning mshanks ...
14:01:03 <jmiranda> but there are situations where you may need to manipulate the data in a certain way in order to make a particular change
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14:01:33 <r0bby> jmiranda: do numbers need to translated?
14:01:36 <jmiranda> the migration from one version of the data model to the other cannot be handled by an annotations (as far as i know)
14:01:44 <jmiranda> r0bby: not sure what you mean?
14:01:46 <r0bby> or can i learn those out of my i18n stuff
14:01:54 <r0bby> er leave
14:02:06 <r0bby> I have pretty much everything being translated
14:02:07 <r0bby> :x
14:02:26 <jmiranda> did you just tell me to leave :)
14:02:30 <jmiranda> just kidding
14:03:37 <jmiranda> could you give me an example?
14:04:24 <r0bby> 1.0
14:04:27 <jmiranda> do you mean when converting from LBs to KGs when talking about weights for en_US and en_UK
14:04:27 <r0bby> the form version
14:04:32 <r0bby> each form will have a version
14:05:08 <r0bby> ex) myform/versions/1.0/
14:05:19 <r0bby> is how i think i'll store it on the disk
14:06:53 <r0bby> i suppose not
14:07:16 <r0bby> nevermind jmiranda
14:08:00 <jmiranda> yeah, i don't quite get what you mean, but i assume that 1.0 is the same in spanish, french, english, etc
14:08:26 <r0bby> but when we hit asian languages we hit a problem?
14:08:48 <r0bby> it's not worth it
14:21:43 <r0bby> well that was fun
14:24:01 <r0bby> svn propedit svn:log --revprop -r4258
14:24:07 <r0bby> annoying :|
14:24:12 <r0bby> but i did it
14:24:13 <r0bby> :)
14:24:16 <r0bby> <3 google
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14:40:50 <r0bby> burke++
14:49:37 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4258]: groovyforms: I don't want to hit a case where we have an invalid class … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4258>
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15:49:48 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4260]: nbsmodule:remove the check for if processedfile exists as it is already … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4260> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4259]: birtmodule: Upgraded to OpenMRS 1.3 libraries. Fixed all build errors … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4259>
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16:09:21 <pearlbear> anyway, so I'll be writing that page of documentation, now that I've figured it out. :-)
16:10:34 <[OmegentooX]> woot
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16:19:53 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4264]: nbsmodule:updated jars <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4264> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4263]: nbsmodule:wait for tif file to be generated (.xml to .22 to .19) <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4263> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4262]: nbsmodule:updated jars <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4262> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4261]: nbsmodule:updated jars <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4261>
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16:53:16 <r0bby> nribeka: o/
16:53:43 <nribeka> hi r0bby :D
16:54:44 <nribeka> finish with the project plan?
16:54:48 * [OmegentooX] got his book earlier =D
16:55:29 <nribeka> [OmegentooX]: haha .. finally :D how about the other?
16:55:56 <[OmegentooX]> The other?
16:56:25 <nribeka> r0bby, mshanks did you got the book?
16:57:59 <r0bby> I just made a new patient
16:58:02 <r0bby> A. L. Taller
16:58:03 <r0bby> :)
16:58:12 * r0bby giggles
16:58:21 <r0bby> A Little Taller
16:59:07 <r0bby> :)
17:01:31 <nribeka> this class is so boring ...
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17:09:33 <nribeka> how do you open the form?
17:11:44 <nribeka> r0bby: what do you mean by "reflection on the Form Model"?
17:13:36 <nribeka> nvm r0bby, got it after reading your blog :D
17:14:06 <r0bby> nribeka: reflection api
17:14:24 <r0bby> gg
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17:38:46 <nribeka> hi bwolfe
17:38:49 <nribeka> how was the trip?
17:41:13 <bwolfe> hey nribeka
17:41:17 <bwolfe> very rainy :-/
17:42:34 <nribeka> hehe ...
17:42:36 <bwolfe> they chose to have the grad ceremony outside ... but then it rained anyway
17:42:40 <bwolfe> cold and rainy
17:42:55 <nribeka> wow ... they have the ceremony in the mid of rain?
17:43:51 <bwolfe> yeah...everyone had umbrellas and yet everyone still got wet
17:46:38 <nribeka> my friend is really interested in OpenMRS :P
17:47:07 <nribeka> wow ... why don't they had the ceremony inside :P
17:50:14 <bwolfe> they had it set up for an indoor ceremony as well. at 7am they chose to have it outside (10am ceremony). it started raining about 9:55am :-/
17:51:05 <nribeka> that's so unlucky ...
17:51:33 <nribeka> just a couple of mins from the ceremony :P
18:03:34 <r0bby> bwolfe
18:03:39 <r0bby> did you get the email
18:03:45 <bwolfe> yep, looking at it now, actually
18:03:48 <r0bby> I sent you the notes me and burke took
18:04:10 <r0bby> class Foo is the actual model i need to parse foir the form
18:04:33 <r0bby> it made sense if you were in the call
18:04:43 <r0bby> bwolfe
18:04:51 <r0bby> I made twp fake patients
18:05:00 <r0bby> A. L. Shorter and A. L. Taller
18:05:04 <r0bby> they're cousins :P
18:05:08 * r0bby giggles
18:05:20 <r0bby> if you're smart you'll see thje stupid joke in the name :)
18:05:24 <bwolfe> r0bby is easily amused
18:05:29 <r0bby> yeh
18:05:51 <r0bby> At some point (probably WAYYYY later down the line i'll need help w/ the patient selecter
18:06:16 <r0bby> bwolfe: also the blog post
18:06:35 <r0bby> burke also pointed me to http://zkoss.org
18:06:43 <r0bby> which will happen later down the line
18:06:53 <r0bby> The demos are amazing!
18:07:03 <r0bby> I wanted to do everything via AJAX
18:07:14 <r0bby> hence the note on top :P
18:07:29 <bwolfe> I yes, I think RG is using zk for their new project
18:07:39 <bwolfe> PIH will be redoing most of the ajax in openmrs in jquery
18:09:04 <mshanks> book got delivered to parents house this morning
18:09:20 <[OmegentooX]> Where is that in relation to you, mshanks ?
18:09:31 <mshanks> 45 minutes south
18:09:34 <[OmegentooX]> bwolfe, cool. jQuery is what I'm going to be using this summer
18:09:43 <[OmegentooX]> mshanks, will you be there soon?
18:09:51 <mshanks> end of june
18:09:56 <[OmegentooX]> Dude
18:09:57 <r0bby> yeh burke told me about that
18:10:01 <[OmegentooX]> Visit them =P
18:10:08 <mshanks> too much to do :P
18:10:08 <[OmegentooX]> 45 minutes is worth it for this book
18:10:17 <mshanks> it'll still be there in 5 weeks
18:10:18 <r0bby> I would *LOVE* to get hired to work on my module full time
18:10:26 <r0bby> I mean beyond the summer
18:10:41 <r0bby> :x
18:11:01 <r0bby> bwolfe : what about dwr?
18:11:07 <bwolfe> dwr is sticking around
18:11:36 <r0bby> good I like that
18:11:45 <r0bby> it's how I plan on doing the ajax stuff for the front-end
18:12:10 <r0bby> and possibly how i pass stuff around, but it may be bad
18:12:25 <r0bby> burke doesn't want me going "ajax crazy" i think is what he said
18:13:07 <r0bby> also peek at my blog post, i'd like your opinion on that -- but more or less the notes are final say :)
18:13:24 <r0bby> what I said in my post still stands -- it's just now we have a clearer objective
18:13:35 <r0bby> Everything in the post still has to be done
18:14:32 <r0bby> nribeka: my book comes tomorrow
18:15:34 <r0bby> bwolfe: what's not there is: 1) we need to figure out the directory structure
18:15:35 <mshanks> what exactly is the book?
18:15:47 <r0bby> I *THINK* Beautiful Code by O'Reily
18:15:55 <r0bby> don't quote me, i'm going by a blog post
18:18:07 <nribeka> haha ... yeah that's the book.
18:18:29 <[OmegentooX]> Quit spilling beans!
18:18:36 <[OmegentooX]> Althought nearly everyone knows by now
18:18:41 <r0bby> yeh LOL
18:18:47 <r0bby> [OmegentooX]: big fucking deal
18:18:48 <nribeka> LOL ...
18:18:50 <r0bby> we all know
18:18:55 <[OmegentooX]> o.O
18:19:33 <r0bby> [OmegentooX]: the white horse is indeed black, and its not george washington's but ...somebody elses
18:19:46 <r0bby> and the sky is purple with hues of pink
18:20:10 <r0bby> and and...
18:20:15 <r0bby> I should probably go blog
18:21:53 * nribeka is trying to hold on for a few more minutes ...
18:27:31 <mshanks> this exam in the morning is going to be sooooo bad
18:27:33 <mshanks> operating systems :S
18:27:52 <nribeka> it's done ...
18:27:57 <nribeka> see you guys tonight :D
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18:36:15 <[OmegentooX]> mshanks, oooo OS
18:36:24 <[OmegentooX]> I have discrete math (intro to computation) at 8am
18:36:33 <[OmegentooX]> What's your OS exam like?
18:37:25 <mshanks> hard :S
18:37:28 <[OmegentooX]> lol
18:37:33 <[OmegentooX]> What will be on it?
18:38:13 <mshanks> memorary management, processes and file systems
18:38:40 <[OmegentooX]> Sounds like my OS class
18:38:59 <[OmegentooX]> The class material and exams were great. The coding assignments were haaaaaaaard
18:39:15 <mshanks> this exam in the morning is going to be sooooo badno coursework for this.... just stupid 2 hour exam :(
18:39:27 <[OmegentooX]> Ack
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19:15:56 <r0bby> mshanks: have fun
19:16:04 <r0bby> I haven't had to take Operating Systems :x
19:16:25 <mshanks> lucky git
19:16:27 <mshanks> i hate it :S
19:16:45 <mshanks> the mem management i can deal with to an extent... but the file systems and process stuff is just dull
19:17:14 <mshanks> hmm
19:17:22 <mshanks> I'm gonna need more coffee and a bigger ash tray to get through tonight ¬.¬
19:20:34 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Forum: Re: Please send me developer photos <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=375#p1227> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4265]: complex_obs branch: Added ability to override handlers via Spring. Added … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4265>
19:24:58 <mshanks> got bored a couple days ago http://www.evilstudios.net/ lol
20:13:55 <bwolfe> mshanks: does one of them ever win? :-p
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20:50:54 <docpaul> hello! :)
20:51:01 <docpaul> hmm
20:51:19 <docpaul> can you all see my text?
20:51:57 <bwolfe> yes docpaul
20:52:21 <bwolfe> is there a reason we wouldn't be able to ?
20:56:55 <bwolfe> hmm, if you're talking now docpaul, your text is invisible. :-p
20:57:05 <docpaul> odd
20:57:53 <docpaul> jjjjjjj
20:58:15 <bwolfe> yeah, you seem to be back now...except with only one letter working ;-)
20:58:17 <docpaul> schnogenlocker
20:58:36 <pearlbear> hi docpaul
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20:59:55 <bwolfe> heh
20:59:56 <docpaul> hmm
21:00:00 <bwolfe> back?
21:00:02 <docpaul> now it's working
21:00:04 <docpaul> wierd!
21:00:16 <docpaul> i couldnt see anything in this channel
21:00:21 <docpaul> sorry to all
21:00:23 <docpaul> hello!
21:00:24 <pearlbear> rehi docpaul
21:00:35 <bwolfe> you missed pearlbear's greeting to you...and me mocking you. but thats it :-)
21:00:39 <docpaul> heya michelle. :)
21:00:44 <docpaul> you're the reason i came online
21:00:59 <docpaul> do you have a few mins to talk through your email?
21:01:32 <pearlbear> yup
21:01:37 <docpaul> so, on point #1
21:01:52 <docpaul> yes, i think it's good and reasonable to stay with mediawiki right now... with a small caveat
21:02:03 <docpaul> i think the main task is to organize the content we have to start with
21:02:26 <docpaul> and a mediawiki swap at this point might provide too many distractions
21:02:28 <docpaul> that being said...
21:02:29 <docpaul> :)
21:02:39 <docpaul> we are starting to fall in love with confluence
21:02:42 <docpaul> :)
21:02:48 <pearlbear> I rather like confluence, actually
21:03:05 <docpaul> it provides for some notion of hierarchies
21:03:09 <pearlbear> did you get a chance to look at the new structure I proposed?
21:03:12 <docpaul> which is actually quite powerful
21:03:16 <docpaul> yes
21:03:31 <docpaul> let me work through your email, and we can talk about that
21:03:48 <pearlbear> OKies
21:03:50 <r0bby> docpaul!
21:03:56 <docpaul> so, that's the first phase of your project... stick with mediawiki, with an eye towards confluence
21:04:10 <docpaul> heya robbo... i heard you having a hardy conversation with burke today
21:04:17 <pearlbear> ah, the eye toward confluence - OK, a new twist
21:04:32 <r0bby> docpaul: indeed
21:04:57 <docpaul> i like the categories as a starting point
21:05:11 <docpaul> and i also like your notions of the gap analysis
21:05:14 <r0bby> docpaul: move towards jira too :)
21:05:30 <docpaul> i'm not fully convinced on jira yet... that's a bigger deal
21:05:47 <docpaul> style guide is super key
21:05:51 <pearlbear> agreed
21:06:04 <docpaul> so, that being said...
21:06:05 <r0bby> I did post my blog post which is a general project plan
21:06:28 <r0bby> docpaul you listened in on my conversation?!?!?!
21:06:29 <docpaul> how would you feel about taking the existing wiki and starting (with Matt's help) to hang all the existing work onto that architecture
21:06:32 <r0bby> I feel so violated
21:06:51 <docpaul> no, i heard burke talking to you, and i went and was productive on something else. :)
21:06:52 <r0bby> j/k :)
21:07:28 <r0bby> I would DEFINATELY like to work on the groovyforms module past soc
21:07:31 <docpaul> but of course, remember that we could fairly easily use a mediawiki->confluence importer
21:07:49 <docpaul> so, just be thoughtful of the hierarchy potential
21:08:09 <docpaul> r0bby: cool. Burke is a good mentor, eh?
21:08:13 <pearlbear> docpaul: back up a sec: the existing work on which architecture? Confluence? Or proposed new structure?
21:08:13 <r0bby> yeh
21:08:30 <docpaul> so, there's a heck of a lot of existing wiki pages
21:08:31 <r0bby> I have a bad need to use ajax to pass form data
21:08:39 <r0bby> it's calling me
21:08:45 <pearlbear> docpaul: yes, indeed thereare
21:08:54 <docpaul> use your proposed structure, and see if the existing pages hang nicely off of it
21:08:57 <docpaul> make sense?
21:09:25 <pearlbear> actually, the proposed structure already includes lots of the existing pages - so sure, makes lots of sense
21:09:39 <docpaul> how many total pages are there now?
21:09:41 <docpaul> do you know?
21:09:46 <docpaul> on openmrs.org that is
21:10:03 <pearlbear> of just developer docs ... lemme check
21:10:14 <docpaul> no, of the entire site... if you have that, that is
21:11:07 <r0bby> I make sure encoding doesn't get screwy
21:11:32 <r0bby> I may have to go and hurt somebody if it does, and I'd hate to have to slaughter some innocents
21:12:01 <pearlbear> way more than 300
21:12:16 <r0bby> sweet leaping jesus
21:12:28 <pearlbear> the index has 3 columns with about 150 page names in each column
21:12:49 <r0bby> pearlbear: are you getting paid for this or volunteer?
21:13:02 <docpaul> a hybrid of both. :)
21:13:15 <pearlbear> lots of them, though are things like conference call notes
21:13:27 <pearlbear> :-)
21:13:28 <docpaul> so there's around 450?
21:13:35 <pearlbear> that's a good ballpark
21:13:43 <docpaul> hrmph
21:13:45 <pearlbear> 450-500
21:14:06 <docpaul> how did you decide if a page related to developers?
21:14:44 <pearlbear> Initially, I used the current navigation structure, and the pages that were off of them, and what linked to them.
21:14:47 <docpaul> whoa... google health has launched
21:15:02 <pearlbear> but 've added some as time has gone on that I've just happened to come across. :-)
21:15:08 <docpaul> ok, so we
21:15:13 <docpaul> ve got some work there. :)
21:15:26 <pearlbear> indeed!
21:15:39 <docpaul> i wonder if there's a tool that allows you to rapdily label each page
21:15:47 <docpaul> so someone like me could go through them all
21:15:53 <docpaul> and give them a high level label
21:16:14 <pearlbear> hmmm, I'll see if I can find anything.
21:16:28 <docpaul> i bet there are an asston of orphaned pages not hooked up to that hierarchy
21:16:32 <pearlbear> and, of course, there are a lot of pages that are applicable to both developers and implementors
21:16:32 <r0bby> docpaul: do mentors get +v here?
21:16:49 <pearlbear> docpaul: indeed, there are, I can see them now in the index. Sigh
21:16:50 <docpaul> actually, all gsoc, mentors, etc should get them
21:17:05 <docpaul> that relate to developers
21:17:44 <r0bby> you own the chan with burke being alternate
21:17:48 <docpaul> yep, i do
21:18:09 <docpaul> come back into the channel robbo
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21:18:26 <r0bby> heh
21:18:33 <r0bby> mshanks should get it too :P
21:18:35 <r0bby> aka napi :P
21:18:48 <r0bby> aka Matt Shanks
21:18:56 <r0bby> he's hiding shanks under his bed
21:18:59 <docpaul> of course, my intern
21:19:03 * r0bby shakes mshanks down
21:19:16 <docpaul> done
21:19:22 <pearlbear> OK, so here's the plan so far: 1) use the new structure on mediawiki to set up the framework, thinking about conflunence in the process. 2) Find orphaned pages to hang onto the structure as well.
21:19:47 <docpaul> right... I'm willing to help with #2, if you can find an efficient way to do it
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21:19:59 <docpaul> i'll get burke to help too
21:20:24 <pearlbear> If I have to, I'll make a spreadsheet
21:20:39 <pearlbear> but hopefully, I'll find something cool and mediawiki-ish
21:21:10 <docpaul> ok. :)
21:21:31 <docpaul> so, i guess the point is... let's make sure the reality of what people are creating matches your ideas
21:21:52 <pearlbear> that makes sense
21:21:55 <docpaul> i think it will, but we need to make sure... at some level, orphaned pages might be because we don't have the right structure
21:22:35 <pearlbear> gotcha
21:22:46 <docpaul> orphaned pages, from my perspective are problematic... as you need to know how to correctly search to find tem
21:22:51 <docpaul> we're not large enough to rely on that
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21:23:00 <docpaul> therefore, you need robust structure
21:23:21 <pearlbear> btw, Matt gets done next week, which is perfect
21:23:44 <docpaul> awesome
21:24:14 <r0bby> what about his soc project :P
21:24:21 <docpaul> we'll get there... we don't expect you to do it all... just help lead the change
21:24:22 <pearlbear> so ... what about the reversal in timeline? With the developer doc sprint later instead of earlier?
21:24:24 <docpaul> er, charge
21:24:36 <pearlbear> gotcha
21:24:53 <r0bby> pearlbear: i could sorta help
21:25:12 <r0bby> not now of course I have a shitload to do that i'm procrastinating :)
21:25:26 <docpaul> i think that makes sense, given your expertise michelle
21:25:36 <pearlbear> r0bby: were you *really* sarcastic about the mysql schema update being common sense? If so, then sure. :-)
21:25:52 <r0bby> pearlbear: kinda sorta
21:26:03 * r0bby ducks
21:26:36 <r0bby> my brother took all the left over london broil :|
21:26:41 <pearlbear> r0bby: I think you need to write "even things I think are common sense need documentation" 50 times in chalk on a chalkboard somewhere. :-P
21:27:26 <r0bby> pearlbear: I have a whiteboard
21:27:33 <r0bby> but i aint gonna do that
21:27:34 <pearlbear> docpaul: cool. I feel like I really want to grok the innards - and that will take me a bit.
21:27:46 <pearlbear> r0bby: get out that marker, now! :-)
21:27:51 <docpaul> yep, i respect that. :)
21:27:53 <r0bby> make me.
21:28:08 * r0bby can be difficult when he wants to be
21:28:30 <r0bby> this is the part of soc i hate -- planning
21:29:02 <r0bby> I sorta know how i want to do this
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21:44:33 <pearlbear> ugh. I was a little off on my estimate. 646 pages.
21:44:36 <pearlbear> Sigh.
21:47:43 <[OmegentooX]> Oh, hai there
21:47:50 <[OmegentooX]> d'oh, I missed the good conversation
21:50:42 <pearlbear> it's OK. We didn't take your name in vain too much. :-)
21:50:52 <pearlbear> but we do have our marching orders...
21:50:56 <pearlbear> ;-)
21:51:08 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Kevin Peters: Trying Out Last Year's GSOC OpenMRS ODA <http://openmrs-birt-oda.blogspot.com/2008/05/trying-out-last-years-gsoc-openmrs-oda.html>
21:52:42 <r0bby> I must blog
21:52:47 * r0bby needs to blog
21:52:57 * r0bby needs to shut the .. up
21:53:08 * r0bby needs to lay off the coffee
21:53:21 * [OmegentooX] will scroll up and read the conversation once the sleepniess wears off
21:54:57 <pearlbear> ok, I gotta go. Let's reconnect next week when your dust settles ...
21:55:15 * r0bby is around
21:55:20 <r0bby> always :P
21:55:34 <r0bby> I could use a distraction sometimes
21:57:34 <[OmegentooX]> pearlbear, mosdef
21:57:47 <[OmegentooX]> r0bby, read your book from Google
21:57:50 <[OmegentooX]> Oh, wait, you can't yet ;)
21:58:48 <r0bby> excuse my french here
21:58:52 <r0bby> FUCK YOU
21:59:11 * [OmegentooX] administers valium
22:04:45 <pearlbear> r0bby: remember, this is logged, for all to see...
22:05:03 <r0bby> pearlbear: I've said worse
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23:38:16 <r0bby> james_regen: you alive?
23:57:07 <r0bby> unp[ing
23:59:53 <r0bby> I gotta stop trying to update the jars :|
23:59:59 <r0bby> it always fails :|