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<bwolfe> atomicturtle: when can we do this server move?
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<atomicturtle> migrate, and then change the DNS, thats about it
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<nribeka> another conf call done today :D
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<Halos> afternoon all, I have a couple of quick questions that I did not find in the top level FAQ and I will be up front that I have not dugg through the archives
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<Halos> For areas of the world were web connectivity is sparse as well as power, would be be recommended that this all be run on a single machine (laptop) and then somehow synced up to a central server once the physician is state side or can obtain internet access?
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<Halos> we are just starting to look at this for a small medical mission clinit in Haiti
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<Nzeyi> Hi folks
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<nribeka> Halos: probably you need to mention some names such as bmckown or bwolfe to get their attention :P
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<bmckown> nribeka loves doing that.
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<nribeka> haha :D hi bmckown
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<bmckown> Hi, nribeka :-D
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<bmckown> just a sec...
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<nribeka> i don't know whether Halos is still here or not though :P
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<bmckown> okay I'm back
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<bmckown> Halos left?
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<bmckown> And you didn't help, nribeka ?
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<bmckown> :-O
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<nribeka> i just notice that :
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<bmckown> hehe
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<bmckown> Please keep the nachos off of the laptop, nribeka .
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<nribeka> lolz ...
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<nribeka> how do you know that i eat nachos bmckown?
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<nribeka> lol
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<bmckown> PIH actually runs a server state side and serves the web app to their implementation.
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<bmckown> Regenstrief supports AMRS in Kenya. We keep the server over there and access it from Remote Desktop.
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<bmckown> We're still working on solutions for disconnected syncing.
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<bmckown> I mean, syncing when the connection is not constant.
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<bmckown> nribeka has orange colored keys on his laptop.
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<bmckown> hehe
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<nribeka> haha ...
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<nribeka> bmckown have a psychic power
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<nribeka> where is Halos
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<bmckown> mwahahaha
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<nribeka> i don't think he use XChat or mibbit
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<nribeka> because we already mention his name many times :P
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<nribeka> bmckown teach me some of your psychic power during the SoC
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<bmckown> uh, right. (:-o
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<Nzeyi> nribeka,bmckown
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<Nzeyi> Hi folks
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<bmckown> Hi, Nz
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<nribeka> haha cool. by the end of SoC, I would be able to tell what is in front of my friends laptop
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<nribeka> hi Nzeyi
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<bmckown> tab complete, man
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<bmckown> Hi, Nzeyi
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<nribeka> haha lol ...
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<Nzeyi> Hi,bmckown
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<Nzeyi> I am in exam period , so I chat here maybe rarely
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<nribeka> hi Halos
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<bmckown> Best of luck, do well, on your exams!
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<Nzeyi> thanks
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<nribeka> yeah Nzeyi, best of luck with the exams :D
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<Nzeyi> Here exams are not too diff
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<Nzeyi> I got an error when deploying a branche code of openmrs, so I need a help hand
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<Nzeyi> it was the sync branche
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<bmckown> Hmm. I've never used the sync branch. I think Justin, Christian, Maros, Darius have. Unfortunately they are not on irc right now.
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<bmckown> What happened?
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<bmckown> What error?
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<nribeka> i think you can reach Maros through his skype
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<Nzeyi> I am trying to repport to Maros, but I think he still away
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<Nzeyi> I thing there was error with the database
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<Halos> sorry, glanced away
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<nribeka> aha Halos, bmckown already answer your questions :D
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<Halos> I see that in reading back
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<bmckown> Halos there are OpenMRS implemenations in Haiti.
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<Nzeyi> I deployed the code in sync branch successifully and when starting the webapp there was an error about the Anonymous database that appeared in a printTrace() log
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<bmckown> If you subscribe to the implementers list, James Arbaugh is an active implementer in Haiti.
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<Halos> I shall do that
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<Nzeyi> I hope my mentors are gona help me on this
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<Nzeyi> Ok, I have do that
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<bmckown> Nzeyi, is your database name Anonymous?
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<Nzeyi> no
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<bmckown> Does the sync openmrs even start up for you?
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<Nzeyi> it's openmrs as created by teh .sql sources
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<Nzeyi> No, I just get the error lo
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<Nzeyi> log
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<bmckown> okay. And the web application starts. No? Okay.
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<bmckown> Did you run the .sql 's from trunk and then later from sync branch?
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<bmckown> (I don't recommend that)
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<Nzeyi> With the trunk code or other branches, it's Okay
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<Halos> the current physicains that we have working with Halos are looking for a method in which they data will be available while there are on the ground as well as back in the states
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<bmckown> There have been a few data model changes. I don't think the sync database might work with openmrs trunk
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<Nzeyi> Before deploying the new version, I uninstall teh database then deploy a new related one
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<Halos> they have some part time staff that are always on the ground and will fill in some vitails in between mission trips (monthly), but need access to the data on a continual basis
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<Nzeyi> No, I know the changes made in the sync project
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<bmckown> Halos, as a web applicaiton, is it possible to have 1 database either in Haiti or in the US that is accessible by both?
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<Nzeyi> so i use tehir model
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<Nzeyi> their related model
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<bmckown> PIH uses 1 database in Boston where implemenations can access from their OpenMRS in their country.
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<Halos> understood, and then I guess they would have to just paper chart while they are on the ground and w/o power or a connection
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<bmckown> Whereas Regenstrief uses 1 database in Kenya. When we need to access the data we do so from Remote Desktop.
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<bmckown> The patient visit is via paper transaction and then subsequently data assistents enter the forms into OpenMRS using Infopath.
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<bmckown> for us.
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<bmckown> Sorry, Nzeyi I do not know what the Anonymous database is. It sounds specific to sync branch. I 'might' be able to answer if it were openmrs trunk related problem.
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<Halos> sounds like a great solution for us, we have one physician that is using a EMR on his laptop and was proposing that, the data replication is the main issue with that EMR, it is local only then
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<bmckown> I just implemented a MySQL database replication in Kenya a few weeks ago.
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<bmckown> But that is on Local Area Network replicating to a backup computer where we can do research and run heavy sql queries without affecting the main production database.
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<bmckown> However, mysql replication is not recommended if there is not a pretty constant connection.
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<bmckown> Can the physician with the emr on his laptop put the database onto a server in Haiti and then access it from Interenet?
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<bmckown> Otherwise, Ben is working on Remote FormEntry module where syncing is done once a week.
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<bmckown> We're still testing that in Kenya and hope to be using it in another month or so.
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<Nzeyi> bmckown,no problem , I hope I can get more understanding from the synch mentors
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<bmckown> Sorry about that Nzeyi. If the tomcat logs are giving a lot of sync related errors, I wouldn't know off the top of my head.
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<Halos> I will have to go back and get a few more answers and more questions, we will get on the Implementers alias as well
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<bmckown> Okay. James Arbaugh could be a good person to contact on the Implementers list.
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<bmckown> He has possibly the largest openmrs database being implemented.
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<Halos> wonderful, thanks all for the help so far
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<bmckown> sure.
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<Nzeyi> bmckown, I think I would be better if there were some instructions about the database setup in a new data-model modified version/branch
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<bmckown> Ben just changed that in trunk this week.
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<Nzeyi> like it's clear in the trunk code
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<bmckown> There is a readme.txt file in that folder with instructions on which sql file to run.
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<Nzeyi> really, maybe I didn't check it
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<bmckown> just this week.
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<bmckown> http://dev.openmrs.org/browser/openmrs/trunk/metadata/model
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1rXP> (at dev.openmrs.org)
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<Nzeyi> Ok, I ll have to retry
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<Nzeyi> I see I have to retry
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<Nzeyi> maybe my checked-out codes are too old
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<Nzeyi> I was using the 1.2 versions
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<bmckown> Nzeyi, but you said you were using sync?
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<bmckown> You might not be able to use the same database.
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<bmckown> If the hibernate mappings are different for sync and trunk then the databases may not be able to be the same.
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<bmckown> Or you would need to either change some tables or change the mappings.
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<bmckown> For example, many of the developers run separate databases and adjust the OPENMRS-runtime.properties file in order to run the database for a specific branch that has altered hibernate mappings.
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<bmckown> Essentially, if a table or table column exists in the database, but is not mapped in hibernate it may be okay.
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<bmckown> But if hibernate has a mapping for a table or row that does not exist, there will be errors.
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<bmckown> Sync has mappings for guid I imagine. Openmrs database tables do not yet have guid everywhere.
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<bmckown> that would cause an error.
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<bwolfe> Nzeyi: is the error something like "Anonymous role not found" ?
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<bwolfe> if so, you probably just need some of the basic data
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<bwolfe> that data is in one of the sql scripts for 1.2
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<bwolfe> atomicturtle: great! so because you have the prelim work done, how long would it take?
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<bwolfe> atomicturtle: 1) we make openmrs.org readonly. 2) move the latest vm 3) move ip address pointers 4) make new vm read/write
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<nribeka> sgrannis and james_regen: got your notes
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<nribeka> how was the statistician?
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<sgrannis> i haven't talked with them yet...
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<nribeka> ah, sgrannis what software did you use for the speech to text?
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<nribeka> i'm curious :P
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<sgrannis> I like where we left it -- if the user wants a tighter confidence interval, they can increase the sample size ...
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<sgrannis> dragon 9.0
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<sgrannis> no ....
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<nribeka> arggh :(
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<sgrannis> i hear that win xp and win vsita's voice capabuiltie aren't bad...
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<sgrannis> capabilities, that is
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<nribeka> don't like both of them. so slow on my laptop
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<sgrannis> I check every few months -- seems there is no good OSS speech recog
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<nribeka> i hope one day there will be one
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<sgrannis> re: slow -- agree that vista is a resource hog, XP seems to be reasonbale. (and trust me, I'm a Linux fan-boy)
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<nribeka> re on what to do next: i think i will work on combining the output log first
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<nribeka> vista is taking every resources but not giving anything :P
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<nribeka> took 15 minutes to start everything in my laptop using vista
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<nribeka> less than 5 mins using ubuntu haha
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<nribeka> wow ... $200 for dragon
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<sgrannis> ... had a quik meeting ... yeah, dragon is not cheap
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<sgrannis> re: combining the output log first -- sounds reasonable
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<sgrannis> let me know if my notes need clarification -- happy to answer any questions
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<nribeka> sgrannis: ok, i will email or shoot it out here if i see you online :D
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<sgrannis> sounds good ;)
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<nribeka> ok
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<r0bby> I hate typing resumes
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<bmckown> I agree.
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<r0bby> http://mybawx.org/rob_resume.pdf
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<r0bby> I have a job i've yet to quit
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<r0bby> retroactively i put SoC stuff.
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<bmckown> ?
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<r0bby> how's it look :x
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<r0bby> resume
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<bmckown> May I comment?
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<r0bby> that bad?
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<bmckown> What do you want to do?
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<r0bby> after soc i *MAY* have a job lined up
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<r0bby> likelihood i'd get it? nil.
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<bmckown> Employer's first response - I don't know what job they are looking for.
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<bmckown> If you have a job lined up...
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<r0bby> sort of
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<bmckown> then write your resume for that one job.
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<bmckown> for that one company.
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<r0bby> I'
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<r0bby> d LOVE to work on openMRS full time
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<r0bby> OpenMRS*
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<bmckown> Tune the objective to fit that.
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<r0bby> it
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<r0bby> 's hard to write a generic resume :(
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<bmckown> If you were planning to work for OpenMRS, your resume doesn't tell me that.
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<bmckown> It is hard to write a resume I agree.
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<bmckown> You can emphasize your knowledge of software.
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<r0bby> my skills are subpar :(
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<bmckown> All that you have done for software and where is it on your resume?
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<r0bby> I know 2 languages (javascript i probably will learn
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<bmckown> You have skills, just need to emphasize them in your resume. That's hard.
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<bmckown> Libarary has books on resume writing... I have one.... where is it?
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<r0bby> I have never needed to write one
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<bmckown> Anyway if I'm a software company, what I like is that you've been at one company working for them for the time you have.
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<r0bby> things seemed to fall into my lap
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<bmckown> That is great
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<bmckown> i meant GREAT.
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<r0bby> it was part time and it's a joke
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<r0bby> that's the reason i'm leaving
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<r0bby> 6 fucking hrs one day a week i sit and do zilch
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<bmckown> But that does not look like software. Who care's if it was part time.
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<bmckown> That's okay.
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<bmckown> But emphasize skills
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<bmckown> Put your skills at the top.
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<r0bby> I know Excel, MS Word, Access :X
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<r0bby> mySQL,Linux (Ubuntu, Slack, SuSE)
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<r0bby> postgres, etc etc
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<r0bby> :x
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<r0bby> :<
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<bmckown> Look up some of those resumes that are functional/chronological.
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* r0bby sighs
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<bmckown> What you are typing in IRC is what I would want to see in your resume
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<r0bby> how the hell i managed to impress paul and burke i have no idea
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<bmckown> If you have to just ... just bitch it all out on a piece of paper how good you are at software.
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<bmckown> then go back and organize it.
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<bmckown> :-)
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<r0bby> I'm using OpenOffice -- and i *HATE* clerical work
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<r0bby> I have to go in at one pt, my leave officially expires on Thursday
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<bmckown> Also, What problem did you solve?
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<r0bby> where?
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<bmckown> Anywhere.
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<r0bby> where I worked? I didn't do shit
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<bmckown> Companies care about time and money.
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<r0bby> I have no noteable acgievements
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<bmckown> You *did* you just don't remember right now.
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<bmckown> Yes. Put all that on the *other* piece of paper... the one you throw away.
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<r0bby> I *DID* enter about a bajillion records into a database lol
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<bmckown> Great. make me understand it and put it on paper.. that's good.
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<r0bby> and type in ~500+ addresses into an excel spreadsheet
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<r0bby> god i hated it
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<r0bby> I learned to memorize some zip codes...
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<bmckown> How about what do you know how to do with excel?
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<bmckown> What about what you know for openmrs?
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<bmckown> You have already contributed on trac.
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* r0bby sighs
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* bmckown sighs
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<r0bby> :/
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<bmckown> okay back to work!
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<bmckown> Do you have an interview soon?
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<r0bby> I seem to have a passion for learning new things -- enthusiasm to help people (probably the only reason i'm not permbanned from ##java)
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<r0bby> they seem to see some potential in me
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<bmckown> Boom! On the resume!
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<r0bby> except uhm... I'm a loose cannon :P
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<bmckown> What you help people on ##java and that is /not/ on your resume?
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<bmckown> weakness. don't worry about it right now.
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<r0bby> oh yeh
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<r0bby> -- he helps on IRC -- oh whoopty-doo
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<bmckown> I meant to say.. only worry about it when you are in the #openmrs channel.
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<bmckown> just kidding.
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<r0bby> Summer of Code may downplay the fact i have no degree :)
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<bmckown> No, you help people.
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<bmckown> There are people on IRC.
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<r0bby> with downright wrong information :s
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<bmckown> You do consulting.
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<bmckown> bwolfe, help me encourage r0bby
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<bmckown> he's being too hard on himself today.
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<r0bby> :x
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<bmckown> I know.... it's that pre-GSoC start date butterflies in the stomach.
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<bmckown> Normal
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<bwolfe> why is it our job to make the gsoc students happy? crack the whip and send them back to coding!
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<bwolfe> :-p
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* bmckown cracks whip.
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* bmckown is not good at cracking whip.
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<r0bby> Technically, i dont have to code
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<bmckown> Hmm. Don't have to but do.
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<bmckown> Because you like it.
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<r0bby> not righjt now =)
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<bmckown> You already did. Can't take that back
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<r0bby> I haven't written a lick of code right now
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<bmckown> I see your user name on trac
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<r0bby> lately :X
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<r0bby> .project file changes
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<bmckown> That's okay. You committed.
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<bmckown> Did Ben send you a nasti-gram after you committed?
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<bmckown> Well you still committed.
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<r0bby> i did -- I actually updated to 1.3.0.* then decided to downgrade back :x
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<bmckown> Don't follow the status quo on your resume. There are good books on how to write them. Emphasize your skills. If you have to do it on a scratch piece of paper. Talk about how you solved problems for other people. Worry about organizing it later.
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<bmckown> If you did *not* receive a nast-gram after a commit... Then you followed instructions that you found (God knows somehow) on the wiki and did them right.
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<r0bby> yeh
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<r0bby> lol
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<r0bby> that wiki is a waste-land
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<bmckown> We're working on it.
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<r0bby> I'm just gonna consider AOP to be black magic
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<bwolfe> why would he get a nasty gram bmckown ? I see nothing bad in his commits
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<r0bby> do you guys use Spring AOP?
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<bwolfe> yeah
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<r0bby> ah =)
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<bmckown> See, r0bby my point exactly
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<bmckown> you did good.
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* bmckown did not really send r0bby a nasti-gram (probably spelled nasty gram)
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<r0bby> I hate having to maintain eclipse *AND* IDEA project files :(
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<r0bby> so long as ant compiles fine for me i dont care
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<r0bby> http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1015
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<r0bby> me
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<bmckown> Actually, I think I need to get going. I need to go do what nribeka_ 's blog says to do.
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<bmckown> wait... that's scary, r0bby
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<bmckown> I can relate.
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<bmckown> Okay. bye.
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<r0bby> http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN1232739420080513?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews
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<OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1rZY> (at www.reuters.com)
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<r0bby> jesus christ
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