IRC Chat : 2008-05-02 - OpenMRS

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03:52:30 <cancer> is anyone there
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03:56:05 <cancer> !list
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07:35:22 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4085]: -- openmrs report-api-refactoring * replaced instanceof checks of … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4085> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Installation trouble when starting OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=368#p1196>
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08:39:22 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4086]: -- openmrs report-api-refactoring * removed improperly used override … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4086>
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09:09:30 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4089]: Applying patch for letting users set their default location - #721 Author: … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4089> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4088]: Adding extension points to patient dashboard - #722 Author: jacobb <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4088> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #722 (task closed): Add extension points in the patient header and the patient overview. <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/722#comment:1> || OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #682 (task closed): Creating Users from Existing Patients <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/682#comment:3> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4087]: Fixing creating user from existing patient - #682 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4087>
09:42:14 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #721 (task closed): User's Default Location should auto select a location when creating patients and encounters <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/721#comment:1>
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10:02:49 <burke> heya r0bby
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10:14:14 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4090]: api-refactoring: Fixing Obs Service method signatures <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4090> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Installation trouble when starting OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=368#p1198> || OpenMRS Forum: Re: Installation trouble when starting OpenMRS <http://forum.openmrs.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=368#p1197>
10:30:57 * r0bby yawbs
10:31:40 <burke> yawbs?
10:31:49 <r0bby> yawns
10:31:58 <r0bby> i *LITERALLY* just woke up
10:31:59 <burke> did you cover your mouth?
10:32:11 <r0bby> of course :P
10:32:22 <mshanks> lol
10:32:30 <mshanks> hmm very odd
10:32:43 <mshanks> I changed the text size in firefox, and it seems to have changed size+font of other applications.
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10:32:48 <mshanks> mIRC looks very odd right now ¬.¬
10:33:14 <burke> mshanks: yeah. your text is a lot smaller than usual
10:33:23 <mshanks> :p
10:33:27 <mshanks> you can tell?! :p
10:33:33 <burke> i can hardly read it.
10:33:39 <mshanks> lol
10:33:41 <r0bby> So yeah -- 1st thing i screwed up the module the form won't even load; secondly code-wise i'm stuck at how to start
10:33:49 <burke> and put your glasses on! I feel blurry.
10:33:57 <r0bby> Last night i was thinking of using AOP :X
10:34:03 <r0bby> which is probably extreme overklill
10:34:09 <burke> yes.
10:34:10 <mshanks> aop = ?
10:34:17 <r0bby> Aspect Oriented Programming
10:34:33 <r0bby> it's what Modules use to interact w/ openmrs
10:34:39 <r0bby> aka Extention points
10:34:45 <r0bby> Advice and such
10:34:50 <burke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect-oriented_programming
10:34:52 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1qPC> (at en.wikipedia.org)
10:35:01 <mshanks> aye know what it is, just didn't know the abreviation
10:35:17 <r0bby> you never heard of Spring AOP ;)
10:35:21 <burke> pretty soon, we'll just use "a"
10:35:52 <burke> and, r0bby, you're correct. AOP is overkill for the groovyforms module
10:36:42 <burke> i think we should create a simple use case, story board it (make a mock up of the screens a user should see and what they do on each), then build that and iterate
10:37:19 <r0bby> I already kinda have a mock up in my head
10:37:37 <burke> Have you read the Story of the Floss? (http://openmrs.org/wiki/The_Story_of_the_Floss)
10:38:00 <r0bby> no, i didnt know it existed
10:38:07 <burke> so, we need to get that out of your head. b/c i'm betting that there are differences b/w our mockups.
10:39:31 <r0bby> it's your form with two added buttons
10:39:54 <r0bby> I basically described workflow sort of
10:43:30 <burke> r0bby: fyi ... i just moved your module page and added the module documentation category to it ... to follow the prevailing convention for module documentation. we may move these into a /Module/ or /Modules/ pseudo-folder at some point. But we've tended to favor categories over psuedo-folders on the wiki so far. hope you don't hate me for doing this.
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10:44:18 <r0bby> I had it there?
10:44:20 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #723 (task created): Module .lock file sticking around <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/723> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4091]: api-refactoring: Fixing api method signatures <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4091>
10:44:22 <burke> I think we can break the workflow down into steps
10:44:53 <burke> let me lay out some steps on the module page... just a sec.
10:48:04 <r0bby> burke: i had them in a pseudo-folder :P
10:48:52 <burke> yeah. so far, we've been using "FooBar Module" for module documentation pages & adding the wiki category "Module Documentation" to these pages
10:49:44 <burke> arrgh. i was trying to go to the demo site and it just went down. :x
10:52:07 <r0bby> also
10:52:11 <r0bby> he page "/openmrs/module/groovy/groovyForm.form" cannot be found. Check the link and try again.
10:52:16 <r0bby> i screwed it up a bit :X
10:52:27 <r0bby> and I don't know where
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10:53:54 <burke> ok. i've downloaded a local copy of the GroovyForms module... I'll take a look
10:55:45 <burke> GroovyActivator should become GroovyFormsActivator
10:55:53 <r0bby> yeh :x
10:56:00 <r0bby> you gonna make that change?
10:56:11 <r0bby> Should we still work with the services?
10:56:22 <r0bby> because we actually have access to the api
10:56:28 <r0bby> already i believe
10:56:43 <burke> if only I had an easy way to add comments to a code review...
10:57:34 <r0bby> burke: why not add them directly to the code?
10:57:40 <burke> at this stage, I'd rather be fairly hands-off and let you do the coding... just to make sure you know everything that's going on.
10:57:43 <r0bby> did you see my email to the dev@ list
10:57:52 <burke> yes. that's what I was referring to. :p
10:58:00 <r0bby> right now i *NEED* help
10:58:04 <burke> hehe
10:58:18 <burke> okay.
10:58:32 <burke> i'll make some changes and commit, then.
11:00:39 * r0bby snickers
11:01:00 <r0bby> I just turned your for each loop on the groovy module docs to 100.times { ... }
11:01:30 <r0bby> 100.times { c = concept.getConcept(it)
11:01:39 <r0bby> it does the same thing =) i checked.
11:08:28 <r0bby> burke: here's what i was thinking say a user selects a Patient as their property -- we should pull all the fields of Patient up and create a form accordingly
11:08:43 <r0bby> basically reflect :x
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11:13:23 <burke> actually, r0bby. we don't need to make it easy for people to edit our domain objects
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11:13:47 <burke> if someone includes a Patient as a property in their form model, then we'd want to render a patient selector
11:14:02 <r0bby> ah like a checkbox?
11:14:07 <r0bby> erm drop-down
11:14:15 <burke> our standard patient picker
11:14:35 <r0bby> << hasn't dug into the other modules
11:16:40 <r0bby> yes -- but what if they want to create a patient? :x I'd assume they'd read the javadocs and see what kind of information the domain object asks for
11:19:50 <burke> okay. i'm close to having it working.
11:20:32 <burke> if they want to create a patient, then they'll need to include the pieces required for a patient (names, birthdate, etc.) as parts of their form and then call the API in their form controller to create the patient
11:20:59 <r0bby> ah ok
11:21:13 <r0bby> I actually really wanna get this working :X
11:21:28 <r0bby> Now that implementors know its coming :x
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11:27:41 <burke> r0bby: commits are going in now
11:29:12 <r0bby> the patient selecter -- that's a drop-down box of some sort right :x
11:30:57 <burke> it's a field combined with some ajax magic
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11:31:53 <cancer> hi bmckown ru there??
11:32:07 <bmckown> Hi, cancer, How are you?
11:32:09 <r0bby> I'm gonna be knee-deep in stuff I never wanted to touch in my life :D
11:32:17 <burke> r0bby: take a look at the location management (http://demo.openmrs.org/openmrs/admin/encounters/location.list)
11:32:19 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1qPk> (at demo.openmrs.org)
11:33:15 * r0bby will use his local instance
11:34:55 <burke> ideally, you'd click on the Mange GroovyForms link from the admin page and get an overview of existing groovy forms along with a link to create a new one (you'd also be able to edit or delete groovyforms from there)
11:35:04 <cancer> yep fine... i faced few problems today... i deployed openmrs successfully in my system few days back but today suddenly the column for find patient disappeared i mean the top column so i reverted the proj and rebuilt it... but now my server doesnt start this particular application... i need ur healp
11:35:19 <r0bby> NICE!!!!
11:36:02 <r0bby> and we're storing these on the FS -- sounds reasonable no need to dig into the database
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11:37:25 <cancer> so robby how's your project going on?? i see u posting threads in the morning and in the irc channel in the night... then when will u sleep??
11:37:58 <burke> r0bby: yeah. we'll need to establish a home directory for groovy forms (as a global property or a runtime property)...i'll look for an example for you.
11:38:36 <r0bby> I havent started
11:39:56 <cancer> bmckown: u there?
11:40:02 <r0bby> jesus christ ]
11:40:11 <bmckown> yes, cancer. How are you?
11:40:12 <r0bby> I advertise my list and the shit hits the fan
11:40:16 <burke> r0bby: the FormEntry module is a behemoth, but it uses global properties to set file system directories for storing its files, we can use that as an example
11:40:19 <r0bby> now it turns into a week-long thread :)
11:40:33 * r0bby will load that into his workspace
11:40:34 <bmckown> r0bby, burke Am i /really/ here?
11:40:42 <r0bby> bmckown: no
11:40:59 <r0bby> you're figments of uhm... our...your? imagination
11:41:04 <bmckown> Well, I'm never /really/ here I guess.
11:41:10 * burke codes, therefore he is
11:41:16 <cancer> haha... i asked for ur help... i think u dint notice it...
11:41:22 <r0bby> i canb argue none of you really exist :)
11:41:38 <burke> it looks like the new bmckown bot is working out well :p
11:41:41 <r0bby> I just magically get help from little goblins :)
11:41:45 <bmckown> Hi, cancer. Sure I can help.
11:42:09 <bmckown> burke is a great man ... dat dat dat
11:42:32 <burke> okay, r0bby. gotta run for a bit. i'll check back later. I'll also finish typing out a proposed workflow for you.
11:43:20 <r0bby> i gotta go too
11:43:21 <burke> FYI - I'll be sending out something to the interns list either this weekend or early next week, to let everyone know what's expected for starting GSoC on May 26.
11:43:26 <burke> talk 2 ya later
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11:43:39 <r0bby> how many hours minimum do you expect etc etc
11:43:57 <r0bby> of course im obsessive so :x
11:44:28 <bmckown> cancer, what can I help with?
11:45:05 <cancer> bmckown...suddenly my findpatient column disappeared ie the top column all of a sudden... so i reverted my proj and rebuilt it but now tomcat server doesnt starts the particular application...
11:45:07 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4092]: groovyforms module: minor fixes to use "groovyforms" or "GroovyForms" … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4092>
11:45:34 <cancer> it installs it perfectly even then its not starting the application
11:46:11 <bmckown> Can you look in the tomcat directory to see if the openmrs.war file is there?
11:47:32 <r0bby> it could be a data source problem
11:48:07 <cancer> yeah i can see...
11:48:54 <bmckown> Can you either stop or kill tomcat? Then move everything out of the modules folder.
11:48:54 <cancer> do you ve any idea abt this prob?? i have never faced any prob like this before... tat too after building the project successfully this happens
11:49:09 <bmckown> It happens sometimes.
11:49:16 <bmckown> Did you have any modules installed?
11:49:22 <cancer> if the war is not there i can say somethin is wrong but the war file is there
11:49:48 <cancer> no nothing... i have no modules installed
11:49:53 <bmckown> ah okay.
11:50:05 <bmckown> and you killed or stopped Apache Tomcat?
11:50:27 <bmckown> If so, then go ahead and get the openmrs.war file out manually.
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11:51:05 <cancer> yeah i done that
11:51:51 <r0bby> burke_away: i probably will use groovlets for form generation if i can figure out how to do it :X -- but i'd like it in an AJAX manner that they see it working :x
11:51:53 <bmckown> Sometimes it likes things taken out of the tomcat/conf directory... but you can *try* to start tomcat now with no openmrs.
11:52:02 <bmckown> then see if tomcat will start.
11:54:54 <cancer> hurray its working
11:54:54 <cancer> thank you bmckown :)
11:55:07 <bmckown> openmrs is running now?
12:01:15 <cancer> yeah its running bmckown :)
12:01:49 <bmckown> Ah, cool. :-) Good work.
12:04:03 * r0bby adds to his IDEA openmrs workspace :)
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13:52:48 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4093]: -- openmrs report-api-refactoring * changed some comments/annotations? … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4093>
14:06:09 <mshanks> hmm. not seen paul around for a few days. where's he dissappeared to?
14:06:26 <r0bby> mshanks: email him
14:06:38 <r0bby> keep in mind paul is a practicing pediatrician
14:06:42 <r0bby> I spelled it wrong
14:06:52 <mshanks> heh I know
14:06:52 <mshanks> :p
14:07:00 <r0bby> so he doesnt have time :x
14:07:07 <r0bby> somehow I have to get started on my own
14:07:59 <mshanks> you worry far too much rob
14:08:11 <mshanks> technically we don't even start for another 3 weeks
14:08:16 <r0bby> I know :<
14:08:19 <r0bby> << crazy
14:08:23 <mshanks> heh
14:08:35 <mshanks> just relax and be patient. you're not expected to knock this thing out in a week or two
14:08:42 <r0bby> I know :(
14:08:50 <r0bby> but I have extra things i want to do
14:08:58 <r0bby> (AJAX wizard)
14:09:14 <mshanks> heh tell me about it. got a list the size of my arm of things to do this summer
14:09:18 <mshanks> but right at the top is gsoc
14:09:35 <r0bby> I just wanna get a list of tasks
14:09:52 <r0bby> so I see what needs to be done and can check em off as i go
14:09:59 <r0bby> my whiteboard is going to be insane
14:10:27 <mshanks> heh
14:10:45 <mshanks> I don't have the comfort of such an item. Got one here, but I moving out of this hole in 4-5 weeks
14:12:35 <r0bby> I have a *HUGE* one
14:13:12 <mshanks> heh
14:13:26 <r0bby> it's big enough :)
14:13:36 <r0bby> that i could work through an entire calc problem :)
14:23:12 <mshanks> lol
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15:35:04 <bwolfe> atomicturtle: hows the hdd recovery going ?
15:53:24 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [4094]: groovyforms module: set dist to svn:ignore <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/4094>
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16:33:26 <nribeka> have a great weekend everyone.
16:33:30 <nribeka> see you all tomorrow
16:33:31 <nribeka> :D
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16:53:39 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #618 (task closed): Get a jibx error through the webapp in the atd module <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/618#comment:8>
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17:47:36 <r0bby> bwolfe: you're my backup mentor
17:47:40 <r0bby> heh
17:47:47 <r0bby> you do know groovy right :P
17:48:07 <r0bby> (not that burke will go flakey on me :P)
17:54:14 <bwolfe> nope, I don't know any groovy r0bby :-)
17:54:25 <bwolfe> I'm just around for openmrs type of support
17:54:27 <bwolfe> hehe
17:54:44 <bwolfe> and hey, why haven't I been included on your documents and mailings?? bad burke!
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17:56:25 <burke> bwolfe: we've exchanged e-mails twice... both times to set up a time to talk (or irc). I can copy those to you if you want. :p
17:58:29 <zioalex> Hi Guys
17:59:15 <bwolfe> welcome zioalex
17:59:33 <bwolfe> burke: yes! I need those! ...especially after the fact :-p
17:59:34 <zioalex> Thank you
17:59:53 <bwolfe> what brings you our way?
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18:02:09 <r0bby> burke: when you refer to "we"
18:02:20 <r0bby> who is "we"
18:02:36 <burke> we is we
18:02:36 <r0bby> should i start CC'ing ben when i email?
18:02:40 <burke> sure
18:02:49 <r0bby> I found out via the socwiki :P
18:03:20 <burke> but the point is to include him when we're talking about technical stuff. which will mostly happen on dev or in here, I suspect. or on our wiki page
18:03:35 <r0bby> burke: did you happen to take notes the time i spoke to you in atlantic city (I had no place to actually sit down and write)
18:03:55 <r0bby> I remember most of it (as you saw it was more or less how to bind the data types
18:04:11 <zioalex> Some days/months agi I had an idea...I think a good idea for the people...And So I'm searching the web to see if somebody has done something similar to my idea...
18:04:13 <r0bby> storage -- flat filess
18:05:29 <r0bby> I basically paced :x
18:05:37 <burke> yeah. i was pacing too
18:06:06 <r0bby> I should at some point blog this
18:06:26 <burke> no requirements until May 26
18:07:15 <zioalex> So I try to show you my idea...perhaps you can give me some idea...
18:07:44 <r0bby> burke: i tried to change your loop for the 100 concepts example on the groovy module page but ran into a problem as ids aren't zero-based
18:07:49 <r0bby> 100.times goes from 0 to 99
18:08:08 <r0bby> :x
18:08:16 <r0bby> I learned that much ;x
18:09:40 <r0bby> burke: thanks for getting my mock-up of the entry form working
18:11:05 <r0bby> burke: i was thinking when the user goes to the form to generate a new Form -- on the top there would be a link "Manage Forms" which will contain a drop-down box containing all the forms in the system
18:11:24 <r0bby> s/link/drop-down/
18:11:31 <burke> that won't scale.
18:11:42 <r0bby> good point
18:11:46 <burke> if this flys, an implementation could have dozens or even hundreds of foms
18:11:51 <r0bby> 1000 forms and it gets insane
18:12:04 <r0bby> this will fly
18:12:10 <r0bby> I'll be damned if this doesn't
18:12:18 <r0bby> I will personally go and make people use it
18:12:22 <zioalex> I was thinking to do a personal Clinical Record system for all the people.
18:12:36 <r0bby> zioalex: use OpenMRS :)
18:12:53 <r0bby> Darius offered his help
18:12:58 <zioalex> I think to integrate it with current hospital and Government system
18:13:04 <zioalex> :-)
18:13:09 <r0bby> zioalex: developing nation?
18:13:17 <r0bby> if so this is what OpenMRS is for :)
18:13:20 <zioalex> not only...
18:13:26 <r0bby> :x
18:13:55 <zioalex> I know , for my personal experience, that in developed nation too the medical data could be very disorganized!
18:14:30 <r0bby> jesus -- zioalex: what do you think OpenMRS is for ;)
18:14:47 <r0bby> burke and docpaul have been to these places and saw it
18:15:03 <burke> our target is primarily developing countries. some have found some uses in the U.S. ... but that's not our focus/mission
18:15:20 <r0bby> burke: are you in Doctors w/o Borders? or some other org. that goes to these nations?
18:15:33 <burke> frankly, we're happy to be flying under the radar of the U.S. at this point
18:15:57 <burke> no. our connection is through the IU-Kenya program (http://iukenya.org)
18:15:58 <r0bby> I was talking w/ my mother after the call and she asked that -- i wasn't sure
18:16:18 <r0bby> ah okay :)
18:16:24 <r0bby> she seems to be impressed
18:17:21 <zioalex> Yes sure I've seen the demo...But my thought was to do something that can help the user primarly and the doctor...
18:17:22 <r0bby> burke -- i don't think i'll implement a DSL using BuilderSupport (when and if the time comes; i'll use ExpandoMetaClass)
18:18:21 <r0bby> if i write the system to read in XML and generate the form from that -- in some way caching these forms :X
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18:29:07 <zioalex> I was thinking to something like www.ihealthrecord.org but open... Somebody can give me any direction?
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18:38:17 <burke> zioalex: there are other open source medical record systems, e.g. Care2x
18:39:52 <burke> zioalex: http://openmrs.org/wiki/Open-Source_EMRs
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18:41:31 <zioalex> Thanks burke
18:42:30 <zioalex> A lot...Now I've to read...
18:49:14 <r0bby> zioalex: OpenMRS is the best cause =)
18:50:09 <zioalex> :-) I appreciate your work...But now I have another vocation :-)
18:50:50 <zioalex> Thanks Guys now I go to sleep. Byee Have a nice WE
18:51:25 <r0bby> sleep?!
18:51:32 <r0bby> mmm i think i will
18:52:27 <zioalex> Yes sometimes I'll do
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21:48:59 <r0bby> wow
21:49:06 <r0bby> NetBeans 6.1 is nice.
21:49:24 <r0bby> Re: Thomas's message on dev@
22:10:35 <r0bby> BOO!
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