IRC Chat : 2008-04-16 - OpenMRS

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01:17:08 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3927]: xformsorbeon module: setting build=ignore <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3927> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3926]: xformsorbeon module: trying to fix svn <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3926> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3925]: xformsorbeon module: removing stray target folder <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3925>
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05:18:17 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3928]: XForms Module: Allowing deletion of problem list items. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3928>
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07:18:50 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3929]: in patientmatching module, added commons-math jar for its percentile … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3929>
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08:49:09 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3930]: -- sockethl7listener * closed file input streams <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3930>
08:53:41 <napi> any decent c++ coders bored and fancy doing some work for me? :D
08:56:26 <udai> ??
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11:32:11 <napi> real quiet in here these days
11:32:33 <nribeka> i think everybody is busy napi hehe ...
11:32:39 <napi> aye
11:32:40 <nribeka> final week here :D
11:32:48 <napi> i am too... but desperately looking for distractions from coursework
11:32:53 <napi> so sick of trying to build a gui in c++ :(
11:33:00 <nribeka> haha ...
11:33:27 <nribeka> i have two project due next week ...
11:33:30 <nribeka> :P
11:33:35 <napi> i win
11:33:48 <napi> one in for end of this week, dissertation for next week, another for week after, then 2 exams 2 weeks later
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11:34:26 <nribeka> wow ...
11:34:37 <napi> worst. month. ever.
11:34:38 <nribeka> i only have two project
11:34:47 <nribeka> one presentation
11:35:02 <nribeka> and one paper :D
11:35:12 <nribeka> you still win napi :D
11:35:14 <napi> ah oh yeah - gotta do a dissertation demonstration aswell to head of the department, my tutor, and the module convenor
11:35:28 <napi> know c++ there's plenty to go around :p
11:35:34 <napi> got some java that needs doing too if you game haha
11:36:22 <nribeka> haha :D
11:36:32 <nribeka> c++ is tough
11:36:38 <nribeka> segmentation fault
11:36:43 <nribeka> stack overflow
11:36:46 <nribeka> :P
11:37:02 <napi> http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~nxk/TEACHING/G53BIO/Coursework2007-2008.htm <-- java .. feel free to have a go :p
11:37:03 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jdX> (at www.cs.nott.ac.uk)
11:40:02 <nribeka> hehe ... :P
11:40:25 <nribeka> have you tried prefuse?
11:40:56 <napi> never heard of it lol
11:41:30 <nribeka> hehe ... it's visualization lib too
11:41:47 <nribeka> but i think the project is discontinued :D
11:42:09 <nribeka> i think it's similar to jung :D
11:42:15 <napi> was just typing that
11:42:19 <napi> lol
11:42:26 <nribeka> lolz :)
11:42:41 <nribeka> lolz ...
11:42:47 <napi> :p
11:44:31 <nribeka> everybody is busy :D
11:44:45 * nribeka is calling his hitmen
11:44:55 <napi> lol
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11:45:14 <nribeka> lolz ...
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12:14:20 <r0bby> ...scheme isn't that ugly im realizing :)
12:17:01 <napi> r0bby my man, you love java... fancy doing some visualization? :p
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12:21:39 <r0bby> napi: no...thank you :P
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12:29:40 <r0bby> burke_away!
12:30:12 <burke_away> heya r0bby
12:31:37 <r0bby> how goes
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12:42:22 <burke_away> sorry...in an all-day mtg.
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12:44:17 <pearlbear> hey, has anyone here used freemind?
12:44:47 <burke_meeting> nope
12:46:26 <pearlbear> it's pretty cool. Open source mind mapping software
12:46:36 <pearlbear> I'm going to use it to map the docs as they are
12:47:27 <bmckown> Hmm. Sounds cool. I've looked at freemind briefly before (as in downloaded it), but never really used it.
12:48:20 <r0bby> pearlbear: the docs should all be neatly put into a pdf
12:49:01 <bmckown> Makes me think of Mooter.org search engine. Works by clustering.
12:49:13 <bmckown> oops. Mooter.com
12:50:43 <r0bby> you know if that M is changed to an H it's obscene :P
12:51:01 <bmckown> Hey, wow: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FreeMind
12:51:06 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1oPl> (at www.mediawiki.org)
12:51:39 <bmckown> r0bby, you're a sick man.
12:52:13 <r0bby> nonsense
12:52:17 <bmckown> but you're welcome to go to the 'other' page if you 'want'
12:52:20 <bmckown> hehe
12:52:39 <r0bby> heh i'm a sick intelligent (sort of) man :P
12:52:56 <r0bby> peach snapple++
12:53:03 <r0bby> !karma peach snapple
12:53:03 <OpenMRSBot> r0bby: I didn't know the karma for any of those things.
12:53:11 <r0bby> stupid bot
12:53:35 <pearlbear> r0bby: indeed, that's the idea.
12:53:41 <pearlbear> freemind has great export tools
12:53:49 <pearlbear> r0bby: oh, sorry
12:53:57 <pearlbear> you meant all of the documentation?
12:54:59 <r0bby> yeh
12:55:01 <pearlbear> bmckown: wow, that is cool
12:55:07 <r0bby> the openmrs docs are scattered
12:55:16 <r0bby> I'd rather have it all on one page
12:55:18 <r0bby> or in a pdf
12:55:24 <bmckown> I guess it just allows you to display the freemind map in mediawiki.
12:55:26 <r0bby> where i just hit page down :)
12:55:47 <r0bby> Confluence allows you to export to PDF
12:56:09 <pearlbear> Confluence is a rather good wiki
12:56:40 <r0bby> I managed to bring down antlr's wiki
12:56:47 <r0bby> by generating pdfs like mad :x
12:57:00 <r0bby> it was an accident -- it ran out of PermGen space
12:57:05 <bmckown> hmm.
12:57:28 <bmckown> what's your user name on our openmrs site, r0bby ? we might have to 'watch' that.
12:57:31 <r0bby> see -- i have a problem -- I tend to collect as much documentation (books etc)
12:57:43 <r0bby> bmckown: same here :P
12:57:48 <r0bby> bmckown: I don't do it there!
12:58:03 <r0bby> i think it's r0bby
12:58:14 <r0bby> bmckown: I rarely edit
12:58:16 <bmckown> Let me go see if there's a "don't let r0bby mess up our web site" permission.
12:58:25 <bmckown> hehe
12:59:16 <r0bby> honestly, i don't think it was all me
12:59:21 <bmckown> sure
12:59:49 <r0bby> you think i INTENTIONALLY brought down a site i was using to learn how to use a tool?
13:00:14 <bmckown> it was you. admit it. now we get to know the real r0bby.
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13:00:37 <r0bby> Don't make me call my sloppy hitman :)
13:00:43 <bmckown> hehe.
13:00:52 <bmckown> brb
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13:01:06 <r0bby> im gonna have a ball working on this projecy
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13:07:26 <r0bby> welcome back
13:08:21 <bmckown> Thanks. It was weird. Processor running at 100% for some display processes.
13:08:42 <bmckown> rebooted.
13:10:03 <r0bby> just kill the process :)
13:10:10 <r0bby> ... I have to rebooot my laptop :x
13:10:18 * r0bby ponders rebooting remotely
13:10:29 <bmckown> hehe
13:11:15 <bmckown> killing that process probably would have ended the session anyway.
13:48:22 <pearlbear> here's the map ... http://openmrs.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation_Analysis
13:48:24 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1oQN> (at openmrs.org)
13:48:45 <bmckown> I was just looking at it. That's, cool pearlbear
13:49:44 <pearlbear> freemind is such a cool tool. It didn't take me that long to do
13:50:29 <bmckown> Very nicely organized I think.
13:51:02 <r0bby> oh you're using xchat bmckown =)
13:51:14 <r0bby> I could lose my x session and still keep irc running :)
13:51:30 <bmckown> ? Ah, that's right you use 'that' client.
13:51:56 <bmckown> In fact, why are you in x-windows at all?
13:52:00 <bmckown> hehe
13:52:03 <r0bby> yes -- in fact i can connect to it from anywhere w/ an intarweb connection :)
13:52:18 <r0bby> bmckown: because i still use gui apps :)
13:52:30 <bmckown> gui apps are over rated.
13:52:31 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3936]: -- atd * made some rule changes and added a utility class <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3936> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3935]: -- sockethl7listener * continuation of previous commit <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3935> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3934]: -- sockethl7listener * made changes to support custom HL7PatientHandler <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3934> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3933]: XForms Module: Preventing deletion of last problem list item. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3933> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3932]: -- sockethl7listener * continuation of previous commit <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3932> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3931]: -- sockethl7listener * removed unused imports <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3931>
13:52:38 <r0bby> says the man using xchat.
13:52:54 <bmckown> because the man using xchat is not being serious.
13:52:59 <bmckown> :-)
13:53:17 <r0bby> I use x because i need it for IDEA
13:53:22 <r0bby> =)
13:53:30 <r0bby> but I wouldn't be completely lost w/o it :)
13:53:38 * r0bby fondles vim
13:53:38 <bmckown> I need it for eclipse.
13:53:48 <bmckown> I like vim.
13:54:04 <r0bby> I'm contemplating trying out emacs
13:54:19 <bmckown> :%s/emacs/vim/g
13:54:21 <r0bby> w/ the vim plugin to get around the horrid keymapping
13:54:32 <r0bby> primarily for the lisp features =)
13:54:43 <r0bby> and maybe scala :)
13:55:22 <r0bby> lisp isn't that scary it only looks it :)
13:55:38 <r0bby> i believe lisp closures are lambda functions
13:56:21 <bmckown> lisp, guile, scheme stuff is nice. I've done a little bit with it.
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14:12:31 <r0bby> scheme has no practical use
14:12:34 <r0bby> but it's nice
14:12:42 <r0bby> it's expressive
14:12:58 <r0bby> everything is written in prefix notation
14:13:28 <r0bby> jscheme is kickass.
14:13:33 <r0bby> http://jscheme.sourceforge.net/jscheme/doc/literals.html
14:13:34 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1oQf> (at jscheme.sourceforge.net)
14:13:37 <r0bby> can cheat =D
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14:14:14 <r0bby> I think my groovy skills are sufficient enough to get by =)if not - I bought groovy in action for a reason :)
14:26:00 <bwolfe> pearlbear: did you look at deki wiki at all in your analyzing of alternate software ?
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15:54:58 <eray> bwolfe: hi bwolfe, have you had a chance to have a look at the patch :)
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15:57:50 <bwolfe> eray: number?
15:57:59 <eray> 499
15:58:04 <bwolfe> !ticket 499
15:58:04 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: Ticket #499: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/499
15:58:40 <eray> I have submitted this version 3 days ago :D
15:59:06 <bwolfe> ah, cool
15:59:20 <bwolfe> it doens't send notifications when just the attachments are added or changed
15:59:31 <bwolfe> did you not have to do anything on the java side ?
16:00:28 <eray> I haven't do anyhing on java side yet
16:00:35 <eray> because of my exams
16:00:52 <eray> I need some time to examine all the code related to calendar widget
16:01:46 <eray> it seems a lot of part of code is not compatible with the new calendar
16:02:42 <bwolfe> eray: a lot is not compatible?? :-/
16:02:44 <bwolfe> thats no good
16:03:08 <bwolfe> it would be nice to pull the month abbreviations from java somehow
16:03:13 <bwolfe> instead of hardcoding into the javascript
16:05:47 <bwolfe> eray: would be nice to write a taglib for the scriptlet you have on line 20
16:05:51 <bwolfe> looks good otherwise :_)
16:05:52 <bwolfe> :-)
16:07:38 <eray> ok
16:08:24 <eray> I can do whatever needed
16:08:46 <pearlbear> bwolfe: I haven't looked at deki wiki. What do you like about it in particular?
16:09:31 <eray> I will get month abbreviations from JAVA
16:09:33 <bwolfe> pearlbear: their booth is a few down from ours here at the mysql conf
16:09:59 <bwolfe> they forked mediawiki a few years ago and "fixed the problems with it".
16:10:23 <bwolfe> they have things like wysiwyg editing and "better" plugins
16:10:23 <eray> bwolfe: however I have looked at the dictionary for month names of all languages :):):)
16:11:07 <eray> it was a detailed job :P
16:11:29 <bwolfe> eray: added the comments to the ticket for (double) posterity
16:11:49 <bwolfe> eray: yeah, I was wondering if you didn't just know all of those languages. :_)
16:11:51 <bwolfe> :-)
16:12:14 <eray> euheuheueh
16:12:26 <bwolfe> pearlbear: I don't really see any compelling reason to switch to deki, was just wondering what your stance was
16:12:27 <eray> I know English
16:13:02 <bwolfe> eray: eventually it would be nice for openmrs not to hardcode the available languages
16:13:10 <eray> y un poco espanol
16:13:11 <eray> :)
16:13:13 <bwolfe> so then we wouldn't want them hardcoded into javascript either
16:14:08 <eray> ok ok, I can arrange the code
16:14:34 <eray> I did not think I could get the abbreviations from Java side :S
16:14:45 <eray> it would be cool
16:19:13 <pearlbear> bwolfe: hmmm, well, if it were really better for documentation, it might be worth thinking about - one would think that the migration would be not a big deal
16:19:38 <bwolfe> pearlbear: yeah, they said they have a converter
16:19:52 <bwolfe> they store everything as normal html, so its fairly trivial I think
16:22:20 <r0bby> eh -> http://www.springframework.org/node/627
16:23:37 <bwolfe> r0bby: yeah, would be nice to use that instead of our hacked in custom authentication
16:23:51 <bwolfe> ...we use everthing else "spring", so why not security too? :-p
16:25:52 <pearlbear> http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/DekiWiki+DokuWiki+MediaWiki
16:25:54 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1oRV> (at www.wikimatrix.org)
16:30:46 <bwolfe> wow, thats a lot of wiki comparisons
16:30:55 <bwolfe> the only big difference is the html editing
16:30:56 <r0bby> wow i like this dude's blog
16:31:00 <bwolfe> (wysiwig editing)
16:31:03 <r0bby> he modeled the entire layout after vim
16:31:36 <bwolfe> r0bby: which dude?
16:31:43 <pearlbear> yeah, it seems that the major diff betw mediawiki and deki wiki is the wsywig editing. And, weirdly, the Mono requirement
16:32:10 <r0bby> http://www.sudovi.com/blog/
16:32:30 <r0bby> I saw one blog that pretty much stated the obvious
16:33:02 <bwolfe> odd
16:33:12 <r0bby> it's unique to say the least
16:33:26 <r0bby> i think i'll install my new keyboard
16:34:44 <r0bby> mm
16:34:48 <r0bby> 5 minites
16:35:13 <r0bby> make that 15
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17:34:32 <nribeka> lolz ...
17:35:34 <r0bby> god
17:35:41 <r0bby> dual monitors WERE working
17:35:49 <r0bby> til i installed the new keyboard
17:36:01 <bwolfe> haha
17:36:08 <bwolfe> reverted your xorg.conf file r0bby ?
17:37:52 <r0bby> yes
17:37:57 <r0bby> im setting up the screens now
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17:38:57 <r0bby> it fails
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17:41:11 <bwolfe> r0bby: wouldn't it be easier to just revert to your old xorg.conf adding in whats new for the keyboard from the new xorg? :-p
17:41:35 <r0bby> :P
17:43:35 <bmckown> :P
18:03:06 <Keelhaul> um
18:03:07 <Keelhaul> :P
18:03:14 <Keelhaul> did i do it right?
18:10:59 <r0bby> sigh
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18:24:06 <Keelhaul> i have a question about the api
18:24:08 <Keelhaul> http://rafb.net/p/33qssF81.html
18:24:17 <Keelhaul> what are the first two lines for
18:24:26 <Keelhaul> they dont seem to be in any other update methods
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18:33:37 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Ben Wolfe: Bending Connector/J to Our Liking <http://eflow.org/blog/archives/28>
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19:03:58 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Ben Wolfe: OpenMRS Replication for Dummies <http://eflow.org/blog/archives/30>
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19:17:05 <Keelhaul> wasnt there a discussion recently about getting rid of AdministrationService or something?
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19:17:06 <Keelhaul> i forgot
19:17:13 <Keelhaul> hi
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20:03:18 <bwolfe> hey, is that really docpaul, or is that just docpaul's computer signing him on??
20:04:26 <Keelhaul> hm
20:04:34 <Keelhaul> the computer usually wouldnt join and leave channels
20:04:38 <Keelhaul> only connect/disconnect
20:04:50 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3937]: xformsorbeon module: extensive cleanup, constant fixing, todo completion <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3937>
20:05:46 <bwolfe> if his is set up to auto-join #openmrs on startup (as mine is)...and to auto connect to freenode...and to start icechat on startup...
20:05:47 <bwolfe> :-)
20:05:54 <bwolfe> its possible..
20:06:26 <Keelhaul> sure
20:06:28 <Keelhaul> but not leave
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20:06:43 <Keelhaul> if the computer disconnects, you dont see a leaving message
20:06:47 <Keelhaul> you see a quit message
20:06:50 <Keelhaul> [01:44:31] * @bwolfe (n=ben@sccc-66-78-236-235.smartcity.com) Quit ("...and I'm out")
20:06:52 <Keelhaul> like this
20:07:41 <Keelhaul> blue, not green (at least with most irc clients i know)
20:07:44 <bwolfe> odd, I thought it was the other way around
20:08:00 <Keelhaul> "hasl left" is when the person does /part
20:08:08 <Keelhaul> i have a question
20:08:11 <Keelhaul> or two
20:08:14 <Keelhaul> not long
20:08:24 <bwolfe> sure
20:08:41 <Keelhaul> first of all, the api has lots of methods like "getObsByEncounter()"
20:08:53 <bwolfe> there's about 30 mins of train ride left, so they can be medium questions :-)
20:09:14 <Keelhaul> are methods like that really needed, since hibernate automatically gets all obs for the encounter object
20:09:18 <bwolfe> right
20:09:29 <Keelhaul> i had them before
20:09:33 <Keelhaul> and deleted them all at some point
20:10:16 <bwolfe> those kind of methods should be removed in the new api refactoring
20:10:32 <Keelhaul> ok
20:10:35 <Keelhaul> and another one
20:10:36 <bwolfe> if the object has the set of objects on it, we don't need to duplicate that in the api...you are 100% correct
20:10:46 <Keelhaul> good
20:10:50 <Keelhaul> saves me some lines =)
20:10:52 <Keelhaul> i hate scrolling..
20:11:21 <Keelhaul> if you create an obs, and assign it to an encounter
20:11:29 <Keelhaul> lets say manually in some random web app
20:11:39 <Keelhaul> e.addObs(o);
20:12:01 <Keelhaul> at what point does o get e assigned as its parent encounter?
20:12:14 <Keelhaul> does it happen automatically somewhere or do i have to call o.setEncounter(e);
20:12:34 <bwolfe> the addObs method should do that. does it not do that now ?
20:14:59 <Keelhaul> http://rafb.net/p/mWVSgQ33.html
20:15:12 <Keelhaul> yep
20:15:13 <Keelhaul> heh
20:15:14 <Keelhaul> it does
20:15:31 <Keelhaul> ok then, i wasnt sure where to make it happen
20:17:49 <Keelhaul> there doesnt seem to be a call to save the obs though
20:18:07 <Keelhaul> unless it cascades
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21:38:22 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3938]: xformsorbeon module: more cleanup, ran findbugs and fixing odd nullPinnter … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3938>
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