IRC Chat : 2008-04-05 - OpenMRS

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06:31:41 <kye> hi
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10:49:46 <sara> hi
10:50:22 <sara> !list
10:50:22 <OpenMRSBot> sara: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Factoids, Herald, Karma, Misc, NickCapture, Owner, RSS, Reply, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, and User
10:50:28 <Keelhaul> hi
10:52:02 <sara> looks like a neat project
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10:52:32 <Keelhaul> yep
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10:55:33 <_sara> i'm just checking out the demo :D
10:56:12 <Keelhaul> =)
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11:02:51 <_sara> i have to reformat some data
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11:04:23 <Keelhaul> reformat?
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12:07:51 <OpenMRSBot> maveriick: Highest karma: "burke" (3), "me" (3), and "docpaul" (2). Lowest karma: "scriptlets" (-1), "emacs" (-1), and "--- demo.openmrs.org ping statistics -" (-1).
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13:01:04 <bwolfe> atomicturtle: whats our status on getting the wiki to the new server
13:18:22 <jmiranda> bwolfe: awhile back i saw your comment about ticket #624
13:18:27 <jmiranda> !ticket 624
13:18:27 <OpenMRSBot> jmiranda: Ticket #624: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/624
13:18:47 <bwolfe> yessir
13:18:54 <jmiranda> and you mentioned that we should be using permissions for that, instead of roles
13:19:06 <bwolfe> (where permissions=privileges)
13:19:38 <jmiranda> iyes
13:20:25 <jmiranda> i'm going to merge the version with roles anyway
13:20:41 <Keelhaul> hm
13:20:49 <jmiranda> and go back and work on a version that uses the hasPrivilege() method
13:21:09 <jmiranda> you ok with scriptlets in those jsp's
13:21:11 <Keelhaul> is it possible to make the forum rss feed not fetch a new item for every post in the thread every time a new post comes in?
13:23:22 <bwolfe> jmiranda: its fine as a temporary thing...
13:23:34 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: which rss feed are you going off of ?
13:24:02 <bwolfe> http://feed.openmrs.org/rss?notag=forum or something like that will give you rss of /everything/ but forum stuff
13:25:32 <bwolfe> jmiranda: bah, its a 2 min fix to switch to privileges
13:25:49 <bwolfe> I'd rather have the right code in there than having people using roles in their system
13:26:06 <bwolfe> right now you'd just have to give james a script to switch to privileges and be done with it
13:26:08 <jmiranda> with another few days of back-and-forth testing with james
13:26:55 <Keelhaul> bwolfe: the comprehensive one
13:26:59 <Keelhaul> with all in it
13:27:31 <bwolfe> !config list rss
13:27:31 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: Error: 'supybot.rss' is not a valid configuration variable.
13:27:40 <bwolfe> !config search openmrs
13:27:40 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: supybot.plugins.RSS.feeds.openmrs and supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ.password.OpenMRSBot
13:27:53 <bwolfe> !config supybot.plugins.rss.feeds.openmrs
13:27:53 <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: http://feed.openmrs.org/rss?notag=wiki&notag=forum&notag=list&notag=listserv
13:28:05 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: thats the comprehensive one that the bot uses to post into here
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13:29:38 <Keelhaul> hhm this one doesnt seem to have forum updates though
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14:02:03 <jmiranda> bwolfe_away: i agree
14:02:26 <jmiranda> bwolfe_away: i made the change and will test with james this week
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15:13:57 <bwolfe_away> jmiranda: thanks...I knew you'd come around :-)
15:14:07 <bwolfe_away> Keelhaul: no, that one has zero forum rss notes
15:14:08 <jmiranda> :)
15:14:22 <bwolfe_away> Keelhaul: are the forum rss elements tag with multiple tags?
15:14:32 <bwolfe_away> if so, you could do a notag on those
15:25:10 * r0bby looks around
15:25:51 <Keelhaul> mine has no params at all
15:25:52 <Keelhaul> http://feed.openmrs.org/rss
15:34:37 <Keelhaul> i do want to get forum notifications via rss but
15:34:44 <Keelhaul> lets say a thread has n posts
15:34:56 <Keelhaul> someone posts the n+1st answer
15:35:03 <Keelhaul> and my rss feed gets n+1 new messages
15:35:10 <Keelhaul> one for every post in that thread
15:35:15 <Keelhaul> instead of just one for the latest
15:35:29 <bwolfe_away> Keelhaul: that seems wrong
15:35:34 <bwolfe_away> like its a bug in the forum rss
15:35:38 <Keelhaul> hm
15:35:52 <Keelhaul> does the forum run on phpbb?
15:36:08 <bwolfe_away> Keelhaul: you could always just subscribe to the forum (and get emails) and just ignore the forum part of rss
15:36:13 <bwolfe_away> yeah, phpbb3
15:36:19 <Keelhaul> yea i know
15:36:25 <Keelhaul> but i'd prefer to have those in the feed
15:36:28 <Keelhaul> because i dont have to clean it
15:36:36 <Keelhaul> i like to keep the mailbox as small as possible
15:36:49 <Keelhaul> i know guys who run phpbb with rss and they dont have that prob
15:36:52 <Keelhaul> maybe i coudl ask them
15:37:52 <bwolfe_away> yeah
15:38:09 <bwolfe_away> see if you can get their rss module, because I don't think its built in
15:38:18 <bwolfe_away> ours must be bung somehow
15:38:51 <Keelhaul> which one do you use
15:39:36 <r0bby> i dont follow the forum
15:39:39 <r0bby> mailing list is sufficient
15:39:49 <r0bby> in addition to the rest of the stuff :)
15:40:02 <Keelhaul> forums are rarely in use
15:41:26 <bwolfe_away> Keelhaul: @version $Id: syndication.php,v 1.0 2006/11/27 22:29:16 angelside Exp $
15:41:46 <Keelhaul> ok
15:43:33 <Keelhaul> http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=349668
15:43:34 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1mJy> (at www.phpbb.com)
15:43:34 <Keelhaul> this one?
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15:55:43 <burke_away> Keelhaul: we lost the forum from our feed aggregator a while ago, I added it back yesterday, but it was putting a session ID in every entry
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15:56:00 <r0bby> o/ burke
15:56:12 <r0bby> I finally got all my books :D
15:56:13 <burke> I fixed it earlier today.
15:56:23 <burke> r0bby: cule.
15:56:34 <r0bby> burke: Groovy Recipes: Greasing the wheels of java is pretty neat
15:56:58 <r0bby> it has all the neat tricks groovy can do explained in plain english
15:57:45 <r0bby> ;po/jj
15:57:46 <r0bby> er
15:58:11 <burke> :-)
15:58:14 <Keelhaul> burke: ah cool
15:58:30 <burke> if you find some fun stuff, please blog
15:58:48 <burke> Keelhaul: yes. forum in rss should be much better behaved now
15:58:53 <burke> it was bugging me too.
15:59:07 <r0bby> erm oops
15:59:08 <burke> bug we need it in the feed, b/c it's easy to miss forum posts o/w
15:59:26 <r0bby> my grails book fell on my laptop's kb and i lost my zero key :(
16:00:54 <burke> r0bby: then how will you ever type your name?
16:01:08 <burke> time to move up to r1bby?
16:01:10 <r0bby> no need :)
16:01:21 <r0bby> or emotes for that matter :(
16:01:28 <burke> or rzerobby?
16:01:33 <r0bby> no :)
16:01:47 <r0bby> i can still get at it
16:01:55 <burke> alt key? :p
16:02:15 <r0bby> no
16:02:26 <r0bby> there's like a rubber button underneath the keys
16:02:36 <r0bby> if that breaks then im scdreed
16:03:44 <r0bby> zero is needed when doing hex literals
16:05:25 <burke> it will be hard to noop to make warez w/o 0 :p
16:08:07 <r0bby> heh :P
16:09:29 <r0bby> dual monitors++
16:09:30 <r0bby> "D
16:09:40 <r0bby> dell on laptop :D
16:10:53 <Keelhaul> what
16:11:00 <Keelhaul> different size monitors? D=
16:11:12 <r0bby> 20"
16:11:14 <r0bby> damn it
16:11:25 <r0bby> i hate typing zero's now
16:11:34 <Keelhaul> how did you get a second output
16:11:39 <Keelhaul> oh a laptop
16:12:20 <r0bby> LMFAO
16:12:27 <r0bby> "May I place the chat on hold"
16:12:29 <Keelhaul> oh = on
16:12:29 <r0bby> wtf
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16:13:09 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3840]: updated RemoveGroupMember per the code review TODO list <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3840> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3839]: changed encounter.getObs() to recurse ObsGroup heirarchies and return all … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3839> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3838]: Deleting the tribe_permission branch. The code has been merged into … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3838> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3837]: Fixed tribe permission issue - #624 <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3837> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3836]: updated the getRelatedObservations method, and comment <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3836> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3835]: added new voidObs and unvoidObs methods for obsGroup cascading <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3835> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3834]: Cleaned up ObsServiceTest and added a method that checks update, save, … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3834> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3833]: adds obsGroup awareness with replacement of encounter.getObs with … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3833> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3832]: changes encounter.getObs() to encounter.getObsAtTopLevel() in … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3832> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3831]: adds obsGroup awareness to getObs(), getObsAtTopLevel(boolean … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3831> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3830]: added testGetRelatedObservations() to test getRelatedObservations() Obs … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3830> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3829]: added an EncounterTest to the j-unit tests to test the three new … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3829> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3828]: small change to css: changed line 5 to level*4em <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3828>
16:13:26 <burke> place the chat on hold? :-/
16:13:55 <r0bby> they asked how it happened
16:16:12 <r0bby> I love dell's online tech support :-)
16:16:25 <farhat> Hello all,
16:16:29 <r0bby> I cant even emote LOL
16:17:18 <farhat> I am a perspective gsoc 2008 student.I have looked up project ideas and I am interested in Boolean Concepts project.I need help getting familiarized with the code and the overall design to put my proposal together..Can someone help me?
16:17:35 <burke> farhat: sure
16:18:16 <farhat> ok great
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16:18:21 <r0bby> I really gotta code more
16:18:23 <r0bby> :(
16:18:34 * r0bby writes a small shell script to make burke taller
16:18:36 * r0bby runs
16:18:44 <r0bby> s/shell/groovy/
16:18:57 <r0bby> wait..he's my height
16:19:01 <r0bby> better write one for me too
16:19:14 <r0bby> :>
16:19:19 <r0bby> that'll work
16:19:28 <r0bby> I cant even code java really
16:19:34 <r0bby> no parenthesis :|
16:19:46 <r0bby> closing anyways
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16:21:37 <r0bby> he's gonna kill me
16:21:44 * r0bby hides behind Keelhaul
16:21:53 <r0bby> last time i called him old he kicked me :<
16:22:23 <r0bby> and this groovy recipe for parsing CSV files is broken
16:22:27 <r0bby> slightly
16:22:55 <r0bby> it breaks if the CSV file is malformed (such as if there's a comma at the end or nested commas etc
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16:26:51 <farhat> BURKE > my modem got a hickup i hope I didnt miss your reply
16:27:24 <burke> farhat: I'm happy to answer any questions you have
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16:28:19 <farhat> are there any more details around it (requirements)
16:28:34 <farhat> any links
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16:30:20 <burke> hmmm...let me look
16:30:40 <farhat> also the minimum OUTCOME expected at the end of the project
16:31:43 <burke> yeah, farhat. that project didn't get the attention like the others...
16:33:01 <farhat> well from what I understand,it my be quintessential.
16:33:06 <farhat> your take?
16:34:30 <burke> well, we've needed that ticket for a while.
16:35:16 <burke> let me edit the project page...
16:35:29 <farhat> Do you think my proposal will hold water...I know its not on the top the list but I wll be more than happy to start and finish it..
16:36:11 <burke> farhat, we will be pushing all projects hard to ensure they have deliverables this summer.
16:36:19 <farhat> great
16:36:23 <burke> i.e., last year we aimed a bit too high
16:37:03 <farhat> I need links to download the code and give it a glance
16:37:45 <burke> farhat, do you have java and sql/database experience?
16:38:10 <farhat> extensive exp.
16:40:38 <farhat> I know swing petty well too.
16:40:54 <burke> then it might make help to offer to take on a couple of the projects (like tribe to person attribute) as well
16:41:08 <farhat> what is that?
16:41:20 <burke> also consider taking a look at trivial tickets and see if you can submit a patch
16:41:23 <burke> !trivial
16:41:23 <OpenMRSBot> burke: "trivial" --- Looking for a trivial ticket to tackle for OpenMRS? http://tinyurl.com/5jozcz
16:42:37 <burke> we started with "tribe" as an attribute of the patient table and have evolved to have person as the root (for both patient and users) and would like to remove tribe from the data model (since many implementations don't want it)
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16:44:59 <farhat> how is the object model laid out
16:47:29 <burke> !datamodel
16:47:29 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "datamodel" is not a valid command.
16:47:32 <burke> !model
16:47:32 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "model" is not a valid command.
16:47:36 <burke> arrgh
16:48:38 <farhat> the the java classes a true refelction of the data model
16:49:20 <farhat> i do see the word DAO in the threads,so is it a servlet > fatory > dao > db kind of a layout
16:49:33 <burke> !learn model as http://openmrs.org/wiki/Data_Model
16:49:33 <OpenMRSBot> burke: The operation succeeded.
16:49:47 <burke> !refer farhat [model]
16:49:47 * OpenMRSBot refers farhat to "model" --- http://openmrs.org/wiki/Data_Model
16:55:26 <farhat> i dont see tribe as an attribute in the patient table..hhmm..am i missing something
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17:04:35 <farhat> burke > I think I can handle Move Tribe to a Person Attribute Type and this project and Boolean Concepts together with the bonus ticket ticket:624.I need advise on how to put up a proposal.Will google allow me putting these seperate projects as ONE proposal.
17:06:17 <burke> farhat: actually, I think the tribe to person_attribute, including building a module, would be a decent-sized project. you could simply add that you'd be happy to take on the boolean project if time is available
17:06:47 <burke> farhat: you need to demonstrate both the ability and eagerness to code to have the best chances
17:06:57 <farhat> how do I do that
17:07:13 <burke> ability can be shown by listing your experience in your application, pointing us to any code you've done, etc.
17:07:40 <burke> both ability and eagerness can be demonstrated by tackling one or more trivial tickets
17:10:43 <burke> if you submit a stellar application (showing that you can write, you have thought about potential solutions, have a rough timeline, answer questions we ask for in an application -- on wiki), we still may not have the mentoring bandwidth to take on all apps...but if you have engaged the community and shown your eagerness through action, then chances are better
17:10:51 <burke> !apply
17:10:51 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "apply" is not a valid command.
17:10:55 <burke> !application
17:10:55 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "application" is not a valid command.
17:10:59 <burke> :x
17:11:16 <burke> !gsocapp
17:11:16 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "gsocapp" is not a valid command.
17:11:37 <farhat> burke i have been coding for 15 years now,should i mention that
17:11:46 <burke> yes. definitely.
17:12:11 <burke> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Summer_Of_Code_2008_Application
17:12:11 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jCl> (at openmrs.org)
17:13:00 <burke> state which project you're interested in, provide a rough plan and timeline for a solution, then make sure to answer the questions on the page I've just linked
17:14:14 <farhat> how high level shall my application from a technical standpoint.Do u suggest my mentioning explicit class and functions names etc
17:17:58 <burke> you don't have to go into great detail. just showing that you've thought about the problem and a potential solution is enough
17:18:48 <burke> honestly, tacking one or two existing trivial tickets can say much more than the best worded application :)
17:19:34 <burke> because it shows not only that you have the ability, but have demonstrated the willingness to put it into action
17:19:57 <burke> if you would like me to review your application, email to burke at openmrs.org. I'd be happy to provide feedback if you wish
17:20:20 <farhat> great.I looked up the trivial tickets,I think I can address this Ticket #498 (new enhancement)
17:23:05 <burke> !ticket 498
17:23:05 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Ticket #498: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/498
17:23:26 <burke> oh hehe. glad I looked at that.
17:23:53 <burke> we're actually in the midst of a large refactoring of our API. so #498 would be badly timed.
17:25:10 <farhat> ok
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17:26:25 <burke> probably good idea (given that example) to pick a ticket and run it by us to make sure there aren't other issues
17:30:24 <farhat> i can fix this defect > ticket 399,is it still open or closed
17:37:19 <burke> !ticket 399
17:37:19 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Ticket #399: http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/399
17:39:07 <burke> hmmm. depends if it is reproducible
17:48:41 <farhat> i just sent u an email..did u get it
17:52:19 <burke> hmm. unfortunately my work e-mail appears to be on the fritz
17:53:08 <burke> farhat: i sent you an alternate e-mail in a pm
17:55:25 <farhat> got it,email is on its way
18:02:06 <burke> got it.
18:06:19 <farhat> i am writing the porposal and will email it to you in the next few hours.
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18:10:31 <burke> farhat: sounds good. i will get some feedback to you asap. if not tonight, then in the morning (i'm on East Coast USA, UTC-4, btw)
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18:20:43 <farhat> i m in nj as well
18:21:29 <burke> farhat: oh good. i may not get to it tonight, but will get to it asap tomorrow. i know the deadline is looming. :-)
18:21:58 <farhat> great
18:22:51 <burke> !trivial
18:22:51 <OpenMRSBot> burke: "trivial" --- Looking for a trivial ticket to tackle for OpenMRS? http://tinyurl.com/5jozcz
18:22:56 <burke> !unlearn trivial
18:22:56 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command.
18:23:05 <burke> !list
18:23:05 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Factoids, Herald, Karma, Misc, NickCapture, Owner, RSS, Reply, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, and User
18:23:30 <burke> !help misc
18:23:30 <OpenMRSBot> burke: Error: There is no command "misc".
18:23:36 <burke> !list misc
18:23:36 <OpenMRSBot> burke: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
18:24:46 <burke> !forget trivial
18:24:46 <OpenMRSBot> burke: The operation succeeded.
18:25:18 <burke> !learn trivial as Looking for a trivial ticket to tackle for OpenMRS? http://dev.openmrs.org/report/16
18:25:18 <OpenMRSBot> burke: The operation succeeded.
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19:19:29 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #399 (task closed): defined role cannot view patient dashboard without certain (seemingly unrelated) privileges <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/399#comment:3>
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19:43:23 <burke> bbl
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19:59:26 <r0bby> :D
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20:12:37 <farhat> burke are you there?
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20:17:37 <r0bby> I'm getting so bored w/ facebook
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20:22:53 <r0bby> :)
20:22:58 <r0bby> regular kb :D
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20:50:34 <r0bby> o/ Keelhaul
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