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| 00:05:45 | <wanderingwill> NickCapture |
| 00:05:55 | <wanderingwill> how do i register my nickname? |
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| 00:08:28 | <wanderingwill> hello, my name is will. i'm thinking about apply for the google summer of code with openmrs |
| 00:11:19 | <nribeka> hi will |
| 00:11:27 | <nribeka> i think everybody is out already |
| 00:11:40 | <nribeka> you can check this to register |
| 00:11:41 | <nribeka> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 00:11:42 | <wanderingwill> yeah. it's kind of late here in atlanta |
| 00:11:47 | <wanderingwill> oh thanks |
| 00:12:12 | <nribeka> yeah, it's late too here in pittsburgh hehe :-) |
| 00:12:44 | <wanderingwill> how are you involved with openmrs? |
| 00:13:20 | <nribeka> hehe ... i'm applying for soc too |
| 00:13:23 | <wanderingwill> cool |
| 00:13:32 | <wanderingwill> are you a cc student? |
| 00:13:35 | <wanderingwill> cs |
| 00:13:46 | <nribeka> nah |
| 00:14:00 | <nribeka> health information management/system |
| 00:14:02 | <nribeka> you? |
| 00:14:17 | <wanderingwill> i'm in the digital media program at georgia tech |
| 00:14:33 | <nribeka> wow cool ... |
| 00:15:28 | <wanderingwill> i'm really interested in helping out with the openmrs project. it looks like a really valuable resource |
| 00:15:33 | <nribeka> i see docpaul and djazayeri is still on the nick list. they are the mentors |
| 00:16:15 | <nribeka> yeah, i'm interested because it's related to my field and there's more moral side in the project |
| 00:16:58 | <r0bby> morning :) |
| 00:17:02 | <nribeka> i wanna learn too |
| 00:17:07 | <wanderingwill> yeah |
| 00:17:07 | <nribeka> hi robby |
| 00:17:23 | <wanderingwill> hello |
| 00:17:28 | * r0bby sighs |
| 00:18:28 | <nribeka> still doing your groovy robby? |
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| 00:23:36 | <wanderingwill> i'm walking through the step-by-step developer's guide. i've installed mysql and subversion and subclipse. i've created the openmrs database. i've installed tomcat and added the server to subverison. where do i edit the OpenMRS-build.properties? |
| 00:24:00 | <wanderingwill> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Step-by-Step_Installation_for_Developers |
| 00:24:01 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iOR> (at openmrs.org) |
| 00:25:55 | <nribeka> i think you need to write it first |
| 00:25:56 | <nribeka> # Open a text editor (i.e. Notepad - click Start > Programs > Accessories > Notepad) |
| 00:25:56 | <nribeka> # Copy-and-paste Build Properties section from Overriding OpenMRS Default Properties into Notepad |
| 00:25:58 | <wanderingwill> i meant that i added the tomcat to eclipse |
| 00:27:16 | <wanderingwill> where do i put the file though? i'm using a mac. |
| 00:27:21 | <wanderingwill> %USER_HOME%\Application Data\OpenMRS\OpenMRS-build.properties |
| 00:27:37 | <wanderingwill> where is user_home? |
| 00:28:28 | <wanderingwill> is there a file or setting in eclipse? |
| 00:28:58 | * r0bby just default build |
| 00:29:22 | <r0bby> i overrode the modules upload runtime property so i could upload modules |
| 00:33:27 | <wanderingwill> where do i set the connection information? |
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| 00:33:55 | <wanderingwill> my connection gets refused when i tried to run the install script in ant |
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| 00:35:10 | <Keelhaul> mac lol |
| 00:35:12 | <Keelhaul> well |
| 00:35:13 | <wanderingwill> the manual tells me to create a file and put it in an appilcation data folder in user_home, but i do not know where that would be on my mac |
| 00:35:39 | <Keelhaul> you can also put it somewhere directly in tomcat |
| 00:35:47 | <Keelhaul> where openmrs is installed |
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| 00:36:19 | <nribeka> you can do sysout user.home :P |
| 00:38:04 | <nribeka> i think you need to change the username and pass for tomcat manager will |
| 00:39:05 | <nribeka> it's in properties.xml |
| 00:39:28 | <njero> wanderingwill: you setting up openmrs on mac? |
| 00:39:47 | <wanderingwill> yeah |
| 00:39:59 | <njero> I have a howto that is in draft form if you want it |
| 00:40:03 | <njero> you use macports? |
| 00:40:22 | <wanderingwill> no |
| 00:40:31 | <njero> Ah, you should it is great :() |
| 00:40:39 | <wanderingwill> i will |
| 00:40:46 | <njero> http://codeplot.com/documents/4225;edit |
| 00:41:07 | <njero> are you comfortable in a terminal window? |
| 00:41:15 | <njero> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.macports.org%2F&ei=AZPsR-3hHaXopgSO-Ol4&usg=AFQjCNFPVXqLbZ-ONSRu47qlQ2iCK6CaLg&sig2=doVb1c46JbfWpLuMJkaPfA |
| 00:41:16 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jyV> (at www.google.com) |
| 00:41:20 | <njero> oops |
| 00:41:47 | <njero> wanderingwill: do you have Leopard or Tiger? |
| 00:41:54 | <njero> http://www.macports.org/ |
| 00:42:41 | <wanderingwill> fairly comfortable. tiger |
| 00:43:55 | <njero> k, in order to install macports in tiger you will need X11 from the install discs |
| 00:44:18 | <wanderingwill> hmmm.... |
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| 00:44:31 | <wanderingwill> i have will have to find my install disks |
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| 00:44:46 | <njero> You don't actually need it... but I think they say it is required |
| 00:44:55 | <njero> it is also a free (albeit very large) download |
| 00:45:07 | <wanderingwill> what will macports allow me to do? |
| 00:46:34 | <wanderingwill> "allows you to use a single command to tell MacPorts to automatically download, compile, and install applications and libraries" |
| 00:46:40 | <njero> basically it is like apt-get/gentoo package systems... it allows you to compile and install to /opt/local which is much safer. It also means that you get the latest versions of things targeted to your mac |
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| 00:46:54 | <wanderingwill> cool |
| 00:48:50 | <wanderingwill> in terms of my eclipse issue. where exactly do i put the OpenMRS-runtime.properties and OpenMRS-build.properties files |
| 00:49:38 | <wanderingwill> i might have to go to sleep soon, but i'd like to run OPENMRS before i go to sleep. tomorrow, i will finish my Google Summer of Code application. |
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| 00:50:44 | <wanderingwill> i will have to install macports tomorrow |
| 00:52:22 | * nribeka is just a dirty peasant |
| 00:56:18 | <wanderingwill> ok i think i found some settings in the properties.xml file |
| 00:56:34 | <wanderingwill> will it suffice to change these settings? |
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| 00:58:33 | <nribeka> i think it should be |
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| 00:59:04 | <nribeka> i build it using dist as the target and deploy it using tomcat manager |
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| 01:01:24 | <r0bby> wanderingwill: You really only need to put runtime.properties |
| 01:01:46 | <r0bby> wanderingwill: you can gte it up and running quickly otherwise |
| 01:02:11 | <wanderingwill> where are those properties defined? |
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| 01:02:37 | <njero> I came in late so I am not sure how much you had accomplished |
| 01:03:03 | <njero> but that codeplot doc has all of my sample properties files in it |
| 01:04:13 | <wanderingwill> is the tomcat.username and tomcast.password the same as connection.username and connection.password? |
| 01:04:52 | <njero> no |
| 01:05:06 | <njero> at least, I don't think it is |
| 01:07:23 | <r0bby> bmckown to the rescue |
| 01:07:42 | <bmckown> da** |
| 01:08:11 | <nribeka> hip hip horre :) |
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| 01:09:40 | <nribeka> i think will need to define this one first in order to get the "install" target of the ant running correctly:OPENMRS_BUILD_PROPERTIES_FILE |
| 01:09:54 | * nribeka need to shut up |
| 01:10:06 | <r0bby> nribeka: I didnt have to :P |
| 01:10:42 | <Keelhaul> i did |
| 01:10:49 | <Keelhaul> well |
| 01:10:50 | <nribeka> robby: what was your target on the ant task to build it? :P |
| 01:10:59 | <Keelhaul> i think it's not necessary if you dont want to auto deploy |
| 01:11:23 | <nribeka> will is using "install", which is auto deploy :) |
| 01:11:50 | <wanderingwill> i think i found some relevant code in the build.xml file |
| 01:12:07 | <wanderingwill> lines 50 to 52 |
| 01:12:25 | <wanderingwill> ${user.home}/.OpenMRS/OPENMRS-build.properties |
| 01:12:45 | <wanderingwill> where is user.home? |
| 01:12:57 | <r0bby> wanderingwill: your home dir |
| 01:13:04 | <wanderingwill> is it where my openmrs is stored by eclipse |
| 01:13:13 | <r0bby> no |
| 01:13:22 | <r0bby> wanderingwill: user.home is your home directory |
| 01:13:36 | <r0bby> for example mine is /home/rob |
| 01:13:45 | <wanderingwill> k |
| 01:13:51 | <nribeka> try -> System.out.println(System.getproperty("user.home")) hehe :) |
| 01:14:03 | <bmckown> connection.yada yada is data base and is in OPENMRS-build.properties |
| 01:14:30 | <bmckown> and tomcat.yada yada is in OPENMRS-runtime.properties |
| 01:15:45 | <bmckown> and tequila.yada yada is in brian.properties |
| 01:15:49 | <bmckown> oops |
| 01:16:00 | <nribeka> bmckown: haha ... |
| 01:16:02 | <wanderingwill> :> |
| 01:16:11 | <bmckown> sorry |
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| 01:19:49 | <bmckown> :-) |
| 01:21:04 | <nribeka> good luck will |
| 01:21:07 | <nribeka> off to bed |
| 01:21:12 | <nribeka> bye all |
| 01:21:14 | <r0bby> bmckown: you gotta cut the sauce :) |
| 01:21:40 | * nribeka need to shut and go to bed |
| 01:22:34 | <bmckown> yea, yea. |
| 01:22:38 | <bmckown> :-) |
| 01:22:54 | <wanderingwill> thanks for your help |
| 01:23:09 | <bmckown> sure |
| 01:33:20 | <wanderingwill> does anyone know how to change the username and password for the tomcat server in eclipse. |
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| 01:35:03 | <wanderingwill> my build.xml file has the tomcat.server=test and tomcat.password=test, but i am getting a 403 http error when i run the ant install |
| 01:35:27 | <wanderingwill> so i somehow need to reconfigure the tomcat 5.5 server in eclipse |
| 01:35:41 | <bmckown> Okay. It's not reading the OPENMRS-build.properties file |
| 01:36:02 | <bmckown> The default is test/test |
| 01:37:50 | <bmckown> if you are in the command prompt or shell, and you type echo $OPENMRS_BUILD_PROPERTIES_FILE do you get anything? |
| 01:38:11 | <bmckown> and Colloquy for mac is not that great so far. |
| 01:38:23 | <wanderingwill> nope |
| 01:38:45 | <wanderingwill> but i added a .OpenMRS directory to my home directory |
| 01:38:49 | <wanderingwill> and added the two files |
| 01:39:08 | <wanderingwill> my build properties files has the following line of code: |
| 01:39:18 | <wanderingwill> tomcat.home=/Applications/eclipse/apache-tomcat-5.5.26 |
| 01:39:43 | <wanderingwill> which points to my tomcat home directory |
| 01:39:50 | <bmckown> You're running a mac then? |
| 01:41:20 | <wanderingwill> when i run the ant install it does find the .OpenMRS directory and custom build file |
| 01:41:35 | <wanderingwill> yes, i'm running a Mac with Tiger |
| 01:42:12 | <bmckown> just curious. The mac seems to default to /Application Data/OpenMRS/.OPENMRS-build.properties |
| 01:43:07 | <bmckown> if it is not able to read in the OPENMRS_BUILD_PROPERTIES_FILE environment variable declared in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc |
| 01:44:15 | <bmckown> oops sorry. two lines ago I meant to put ~/Application Data/OpenMRS/.OPENMRS-build.properties |
| 01:45:14 | <wanderingwill> are you sure that the file should be .OPENMRS-build.properties or OPENMRS-build.properties? |
| 01:49:18 | <bmckown> hmm |
| 01:50:17 | <bmckown> sorry that was actually without the . prefix |
| 01:50:54 | <wanderingwill> java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL: http://localhost:8080/manager/deploy?path=%2Fopenmrs |
| 01:51:18 | <wanderingwill> i wonder if i have my tomcat server in eclipse configured properly |
| 01:51:31 | <wanderingwill> do i need to set a username and password for it. |
| 01:51:40 | <wanderingwill> does it need to monitor certain ports |
| 01:52:32 | <bmckown> 403 is access denied/forbidden |
| 01:53:14 | <bmckown> Can you access localhost:8080 and get to the tomcat manager? |
| 01:53:38 | <wanderingwill> when i goto localhost:8080 i get a 404 |
| 01:53:50 | <wanderingwill> it does say apache tomcat |
| 01:54:30 | <bmckown> Apache tomcat is not started or is not using the default tomcat port 8080 I think |
| 01:58:46 | <wanderingwill> according to eclipse it is started |
| 01:58:51 | <wanderingwill> i restarted it several times |
| 01:58:58 | <wanderingwill> i looked at the console - no errors |
| 02:02:50 | <bmckown> hmm. so you can reach http://localhost:8080/manager ? |
| 02:03:10 | <bmckown> If so then tomcat is running fine. |
| 02:06:31 | <wanderingwill> for manager, same 404 |
| 02:06:36 | <wanderingwill> with tomcat logo |
| 02:06:45 | <wanderingwill> in the manual, it says, "Make sure your tomcat user has the roles manager,admin,tomcat" |
| 02:07:03 | <wanderingwill> how do i edit my tomcat user roles? |
| 02:08:34 | <bmckown> That is defined in TOMCAT_HOME/conf/tomcat-users.xml |
| 02:11:44 | <r0bby> hrm |
| 02:11:47 | <r0bby> http://code.google.com/p/graven/ |
| 02:12:22 | <bmckown> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?> |
| 02:12:22 | <bmckown> <tomcat-users> |
| 02:12:22 | <bmckown> <role rolename="tomcat"/> |
| 02:12:22 | <bmckown> <role rolename="manager"/> |
| 02:12:22 | <bmckown> <role rolename="admin"/> |
| 02:12:23 | <bmckown> <user username="admin" password="MySecretPassword" roles="admin,manager,tomcat"/> |
| 02:12:24 | <bmckown> <user username="tomcat" password="tomcat" roles="tomcat"/> |
| 02:12:26 | <bmckown> <user username="both" password="tomcat" roles="tomcat"/> |
| 02:12:28 | <bmckown> </tomcat-users> |
| 02:13:02 | <bmckown> wow. that sucks. anyway. something like that should be in tomcat-users.xml |
| 02:13:12 | <wanderingwill> so do i need to add test as a user |
| 02:13:31 | <bmckown> If you want 'test' to be your user to manage tomcat. |
| 02:14:18 | <wanderingwill> is that what the manual wants me to do? |
| 02:15:04 | <bmckown> the usual setup is username='admin' password='createasecretpassword' |
| 02:17:02 | <bmckown> This is just for the tomcat manager. To start and stop tomcat and deploy web applications (like OpenMRS) |
| 02:20:58 | <bmckown> If you define a user other than 'test' 'test' then you can put 'username' and 'password' in the OPENMRS-build.properites file such as tomcat.user=username and tomcat.password=createasecretpassword |
| 02:21:30 | <bmckown> That is not related to the database, btw. |
| 02:29:52 | <wanderingwill> <tomcat-users> |
| 02:29:54 | <wanderingwill> <user name="test" password="test" roles="manager,admin,tomcat" /> |
| 02:29:55 | <wanderingwill> <user name="tomcat" password="tomcat" roles="manager,admin,tomcat" /> |
| 02:29:57 | <wanderingwill> <user name="role1" password="tomcat" roles="role1" /> |
| 02:29:58 | <wanderingwill> <user name="both" password="tomcat" roles="tomcat,role1" /> |
| 02:30:00 | <wanderingwill> </tomcat-users> |
| 02:30:06 | <wanderingwill> still has the same 403 error |
| 02:32:12 | <bmckown> Okay. You restarted tomcat. You were able to successfully reach the html://locahost:8080 page. |
| 02:32:54 | <bmckown> You tried to log on as tomcat manager http://localhost:8080/manager and you got the 403 error? |
| 02:35:37 | <wanderingwill> after restarting tomcat. i still recevied a 404 http status message for both http://localhost:8080 and http://localhost:8080/manager pages |
| 02:36:03 | <wanderingwill> both pages have apache tomcat 5.5.26 on the bottom |
| 02:37:00 | <r0bby> NICE |
| 02:37:09 | * r0bby is so high on life |
| 02:37:17 | <bmckown> Just curious. For the mac, when you open System Preferences --> Sharing and the line that says Computer Name? |
| 02:37:50 | <bmckown> r0bby is drinking High Life. |
| 02:38:45 | <wanderingwill> it just says my name next to the word computer |
| 02:39:51 | <bmckown> Do you have "Personal Web Sharing" clicked by the way? |
| 02:40:13 | <bmckown> If not, please do so. |
| 02:42:56 | <wanderingwill> even with these settings on, it still does not work |
| 02:44:36 | <bmckown> Wait. "Personal Web Sharing" makes no difference for Tomcat. But when you open Terminal and type "echo $HOSTNAME" it should say your name followed by .local And if you type in a web browser "http://wanderingwill.local:8080" any luck? |
| 02:47:09 | <wanderingwill> same 404 message as localhost |
| 02:47:18 | <wanderingwill> hostname did apper when echoed |
| 02:47:45 | <bmckown> hmm |
| 02:50:28 | <bmckown> netstat |
| 02:51:22 | <bmckown> I mean if you type in the command line "netstat |
| 02:51:31 | <wanderingwill> nope |
| 02:51:51 | <bmckown> Then port 8080 is not open for sure. |
| 02:55:17 | <bmckown> It looks like to me that Tomcat is not working properly or the Tomcat install is not correct. It 'might' be using a different port, like 8081 or whatever. hmm. |
| 02:56:19 | <maveriick> wanderingwill: check the logs |
| 02:56:51 | <maveriick> wanderingwill: catalina.out and localhost logs... |
| 02:59:26 | <wanderingwill> no logs in here: |
| 02:59:27 | <wanderingwill> /Applications/eclipse/apache-tomcat-5.5.26/logs |
| 02:59:29 | <wanderingwill> where are the logs? |
| 03:01:19 | <maveriick> I never used tomcat in MAC... |
| 03:01:48 | <bmckown> "locate tomcat-5.5.26/logs" |
| 03:02:25 | <maveriick> but on *nix systems ...it sits in /usr/local/<tomcat_install_dir> |
| 03:02:30 | <bmckown> mine is in usr/local/apache-tomcat-5.5.20/logs/ |
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| 03:03:43 | <bmckown> In my ubuntu x86 laptop, I put tomcat in /opt/tomcat/ |
| 03:03:48 | <wanderingwill> i have a logs directory, but no files are in it |
| 03:03:53 | <maveriick> you would find two kinds of log there .....catalina.out and localhost logs... |
| 03:04:10 | <maveriick> those are sufficient to track startup errors |
| 03:05:37 | <wanderingwill> here is where my log directory is /Applications/eclipse/apache-tomcat-5.5.26/logs |
| 03:05:39 | <wanderingwill> but no log fles |
| 03:05:41 | <wanderingwill> i tried to locate catalina.out, but it couldn't find it |
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| 03:08:25 | <udai> Hi any mentor from GSoC program |
| 03:08:35 | <bmckown> Woah. Maybe Tomcat has never been deployed on your machine? |
| 03:08:41 | <bmckown> Hi, udai |
| 03:08:45 | <udai> Hi |
| 03:09:11 | <bmckown> Welcome to the OpenMRS channel. |
| 03:09:13 | <udai> I couldn't tell you what I am feeling to know about OpenMRS |
| 03:09:43 | <udai> Its a really great work and I have a proposal for this community |
| 03:09:59 | <bmckown> Do you have any questions we could answer? |
| 03:10:00 | <udai> are you one of the mentor |
| 03:10:14 | <bmckown> Yes, I am a mentor. |
| 03:10:35 | <udai> May I know you name please? |
| 03:10:49 | <bmckown> Sorry, My name is Brian McKown. |
| 03:11:42 | <udai> OpenMRS provides Records for all kind of medical detail |
| 03:13:14 | <maveriick> bmckown: about the patient note writer ...project...Why do you need a rich text editor? |
| 03:14:03 | <bmckown> OpenMRS is an open source medical record system primarily used in developing countries and has been key in helping hiv+ patients and tb patients. |
| 03:14:36 | <maveriick> As far as I know openMRS is deployed in distant areasa ....won't a AJAX rich application will slow down under weak internet connection? |
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| 03:19:15 | <wanderingwill> bmckown, once i get OpenMRS running on my mac, I'd like to start working on the Longitudinal data review (discrete data flowsheet) module |
| 03:19:54 | <udai> My Idea is ..... as OpenMRS keeps the Medical Records my Idea is to implement Multiple recognization system for single Identity.....like RFID, Thumbprint, Unique ID, Biometric identity etc to provide flexibility in finding a record......Now the need of this relation for the record is.....So that a person can register his Medical record(like blood group, previous Histroy etc) on OpenMRS which can be used at the time of Treatment, emergency , big scale disaste |
| 03:19:54 | <udai> r to retrive a persons Medical record as fast as posible |
| 03:20:09 | <wanderingwill> i'm thinking about applying for this project with the Google Summer of Code |
| 03:20:13 | <bmckown> maveriick: In short, we want to support more complex observations. |
| 03:21:43 | <udai> So I have detail plan about it you just tell me how can I contact you and discuss with you personally |
| 03:22:14 | <maveriick> bmckown: Understood. |
| 03:24:50 | <udai> Brian: If you have u got my Idea |
| 03:24:57 | <udai> ?? |
| 03:25:37 | <bmckown> maveriick: And it is a good idea to consider weak internet connections. I don't think our code is AJAX heavy. There times we need Ajax and use it and other parts of the code where we can do without. |
| 03:26:45 | <udai> bmckown: sir, are you there?? |
| 03:27:14 | <bmckown> udai I am on bmckown on Skype and on email (openmrs.org, regenstrief.org) and I type slow. |
| 03:27:17 | <bmckown> sorry |
| 03:27:47 | <bmckown> I would be glad to help as much as I can. |
| 03:28:56 | <udai> I have worked on some big projects having Huge database and UI so it won't be a problem for me to implement |
| 03:29:01 | <bmckown> and I (and nobody in OpenMRS) should need to be called sir. We are VERY informal. :-) |
| 03:29:17 | <maveriick> bmckown:: Do the proposals on the oepnMRS gsoc page are in order of priority? Say is patient portrait is more important than patient note writer? |
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| 03:30:25 | <bmckown> no. I don't think so. |
| 03:31:14 | <bmckown> Patient portrait is not any more important than patient note writer. |
| 03:31:22 | <udai> Brian ..I would like to know if OpenMRS do take care of indivisual records or just statical analysis of groups of petiants? |
| 03:32:15 | <bmckown> udai: I like what you wrote at 5:19 That's good. |
| 03:33:05 | <bmckown> I don't understand exactly your question regarding individual records or statical analysis. |
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| 03:36:33 | <udai> like I am a person who would likel OpenMRS to keep my Medical record if I register to the service( even if some fee is charged) so that at the time of emergency(like an accident) any doctor can get them |
| 03:37:30 | <bmckown> Yes. OpenMRS is a patient centric system. |
| 03:39:30 | <udai> then I suppose I can work in the direction of implementing multiple recognisation system for an Identity |
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| 03:40:14 | <udai> an Identity means a person who avails this service of keeping records in OpenMRS |
| 03:41:18 | <udai> now if someone wants to get the Medical record of that person how will he get?? |
| 03:41:26 | <udai> by login |
| 03:41:27 | <udai> ?? |
| 03:42:04 | <njero> wanderingwill: sorry I was off I am back |
| 03:42:10 | <njero> how is your install going |
| 03:42:34 | <bmckown> Yes. udai It is by individual patient. |
| 03:42:50 | <wanderingwill> oh no problem. i'm taking a different strategy. i uninstalled the tomcat 5.5 and started from scratch with tomact 6 |
| 03:42:56 | <njero> oh |
| 03:43:21 | <bmckown> wanderingwill both tomcat 5.5 and tomcat 6 will work fine. |
| 03:43:23 | <wanderingwill> i was able to get tomcat 6 to startup |
| 03:43:35 | <wanderingwill> outside of eclipse |
| 03:43:44 | <wanderingwill> now i'm going to get it to work inside eclipse |
| 03:44:01 | <njero> ah, I guess thats a good point... I wasn't using the eclipse stuff |
| 03:44:32 | <udai> Brian:I will mail you about this ....... |
| 03:45:43 | <bmckown> udai: Yes. That's good. |
| 03:45:43 | * njero realizes that openmrs is not currently installed on his own mac and goes through the steps |
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| 03:49:44 | <wanderingwill> unfortunately, even with tomcat 6, i am still getting the same 403 code |
| 03:49:56 | <wanderingwill> but at least, i have log files now... i hope. |
| 03:51:42 | <njero> wanderingwill: when you are logging in you get that error, or when you start? |
| 03:52:24 | <wanderingwill> when i run the ant install script, i get the error on line 385 of the build.xml file |
| 03:52:45 | <njero> this is just in eclipse? |
| 03:52:56 | <njero> sorry, my ant knowledge is pffft |
| 03:53:18 | <wanderingwill> when i run tomcat direct from its startup script outside of eclipse, tomcat works. i can see a page at localhost:8080. but inside eclipse, i get the 404 and 403 errors |
| 03:53:49 | <njero> okay, I will probably be no help |
| 03:59:52 | <bmckown> Goodnight (or good morning). bmckown has fallen asleep. |
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| 04:49:24 | <wanderingwill> goodnight everyone. after 6 hours of work i still am unable to deploy openmrs. but i will return |
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| 06:12:00 | <OpenMRSBot> Hey there Ben! |
| 06:12:12 | <bwolfe> good morning bot |
| 06:12:41 | <bwolfe> good morning everyone else |
| 06:12:44 | <bwolfe> udai, welcome |
| 06:13:15 | <udai> hi |
| 06:13:50 | <udai> bwolfe:are you a mentor? |
| 06:14:01 | <bwolfe> yep |
| 06:14:11 | <bwolfe> do you have any questions I can answer for you ? |
| 06:14:51 | <udai> I have submitted my application for develeping Registration module for OpenMRS when it will be reviewed?? |
| 06:15:31 | <bwolfe> after everyone's apps are in, probably |
| 06:15:51 | <udai> actually i have suggested some other ideas so I want to know the possibility |
| 06:16:23 | <udai> can just go through my application to tell me your view?? |
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| 06:26:33 | <bwolfe> udai: sure can |
| 06:27:11 | <udai> so I will be waiting right here..:) |
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| 06:32:16 | <bwolfe> udai: fyi, I commented on it. not sure if google will send you an email notifying you that I did so |
| 06:32:33 | <udai> Thanks :) |
| 06:32:39 | <bwolfe> udai: because one of us added a comment you should now be able to edit the application once |
| 06:38:26 | <bhanu> helo bwolfe |
| 06:38:44 | <bwolfe> good morning bhanu |
| 06:39:25 | <udai> bwolfe: I think I should just concentrate on the problem that is given in Registration module as you suggested and RFID was a bad idea |
| 06:40:26 | <udai> I am writting now only according to the prolem |
| 06:40:59 | <bhanu> In India this time is evenig |
| 06:41:35 | <bhanu> bwolfe have u seen my application i have posted it on gsoc web application |
| 06:41:39 | <bwolfe> bhanu: yeah, but the sun has barely come up here in Indianapolis :-) |
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| 06:50:44 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: Hi |
| 06:51:38 | <bwolfe> hey paranaliyanage |
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| 06:52:31 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: I am GSoC guy, interested on Patient Portrait Support |
| 06:52:58 | <paranaliyanage> and I talked with u about the 2D barcode encoding project |
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| 06:53:09 | <bwolfe> yep, I remember |
| 06:53:13 | <paranaliyanage> :) |
| 06:53:25 | <bwolfe> mainly because I think you have the longest irc nick in here :-) |
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| 06:53:46 | <paranaliyanage> we wenton a trip |
| 06:53:49 | <paranaliyanage> :) |
| 06:54:20 | <paranaliyanage> sorry |
| 06:54:27 | <paranaliyanage> went on a trip |
| 06:54:29 | <paranaliyanage> :) |
| 06:55:22 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: would it possible to add the new idea u mentioned me? |
| 06:56:14 | <paranaliyanage> introduce a medical card including face image and details |
| 06:57:36 | <bwolfe> what was my new idea? |
| 06:59:52 | <paranaliyanage> you said me that mediacal card (details about patient) is used in some countries, where we can encode details and use them in the clinics |
| 07:00:50 | <paranaliyanage> since I am involved in 2D barcode image encoding project |
| 07:01:16 | <paranaliyanage> that concept would be used in there |
| 07:01:30 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: yeah, I think that would be a very interesting project, but probably not a gsoc project. |
| 07:01:40 | <paranaliyanage> y is that |
| 07:02:03 | <paranaliyanage> is it too simple? is that so? |
| 07:02:13 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: that kidn of project would entail working with printers/scanners etc (hardware). it would probably be best suited to work with one implementation of openmrs to do that |
| 07:02:39 | <bwolfe> we will only get so many students for GSOC...we need to decide which projects will have the most benefit to everyone that uses openmrs |
| 07:03:50 | <paranaliyanage> yes Its true, bw my current project, it uses web cam to decode the image |
| 07:07:15 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: Is it need to mention how we going to implement the module in openMRS |
| 07:07:41 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: a timeline is recommended, yes |
| 07:09:19 | <paranaliyanage> do we need to go some level deep in to module structure? |
| 07:13:53 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: what do you mean? |
| 07:14:17 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: the more descriptive you are the better your chances...it shows you have done some research :-) |
| 07:14:21 | <paranaliyanage> we are going to implement a module for this project |
| 07:14:42 | <paranaliyanage> ok |
| 07:17:33 | <paranaliyanage> is it defined maximum capacity of an image? |
| 07:18:07 | <paranaliyanage> do we nned to use some techniques to handle this |
| 07:18:34 | <paranaliyanage> in the sence rather not allowing the uploding |
| 07:19:08 | <paranaliyanage> use some image processing techniques prior notice to the user |
| 07:19:40 | <bwolfe> that is yet to be determined |
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| 07:21:45 | <paranaliyanage> Since I have involved in that kind of projects I hope that would be better, will I mentioned in my application |
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| 07:33:32 | <udai> bwolfe: May I know your name please? |
| 07:40:46 | <bwolfe> ben |
| 07:43:03 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: can you please answer my question |
| 07:43:32 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: not sure what question you were asking |
| 07:44:09 | <paranaliyanage> will I mention about how I going to use image processing techniques in this project |
| 07:44:17 | <paranaliyanage> they are not so hard |
| 07:44:35 | <bwolfe> it is up to you |
| 07:44:39 | <paranaliyanage> since I have experience I hope I can easily use them here |
| 07:45:05 | <bwolfe> the project doesn't call for that, exactly, but if you meet the requirements of the project as stated you are free to add what you like |
| 07:46:01 | <paranaliyanage> is there any other place u described in detail about this project? |
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| 07:48:26 | <paranaliyanage> can you please tell me the structure of the application? is it already mentioned in the site? I didn't notice guidelines |
| 07:53:27 | <bwolfe> there isn't a structure |
| 07:55:00 | <bwolfe> paranaliyanage: I think that page is the only one. you can look through the irc logs for what other students have asked on this project |
| 07:55:02 | <bwolfe> !irclogs |
| 07:55:02 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "irclogs" --- The OpenMRS IRC logs are publicly displayed online: http://dev.openmrs.org/irclogs |
| 07:55:50 | <bwolfe> the application should just contain what you plan to do, how you (might) plan to do it, and then the answers to the 10 questions we linked to from our gsoc2008 page |
| 07:58:16 | <paranaliyanage> bwolfe: Ok thank you very much for your responses |
| 07:58:29 | <paranaliyanage> !irclogs |
| 07:58:29 | <OpenMRSBot> paranaliyanage: "irclogs" --- The OpenMRS IRC logs are publicly displayed online: http://dev.openmrs.org/irclogs |
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| 08:09:50 | <udai> ben: I have submited the application for Registration Module |
| 08:10:04 | <bwolfe> great |
| 08:10:29 | <udai> Can you Review it??if possible |
| 08:10:58 | <udai> any comment on it will be helpful for me |
| 08:11:00 | <bwolfe> hmm, two reviews in one day comes with a fee of $2,000.00 |
| 08:11:09 | <bwolfe> (the first review is free) |
| 08:11:10 | <udai> :)) |
| 08:11:11 | <bwolfe> :-D |
| 08:11:25 | <udai> Nice |
| 08:12:01 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3745]: -- sockethl7listener * moved reading the config file properties to a … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3745> |
| 08:12:01 | <udai> I just want to make sure that I will serve as the project demands |
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| 08:14:09 | <udai> ben: so you work in cordination with Brian |
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| 08:14:38 | <bwolfe> yes, my desk is next door to brian's |
| 08:14:52 | <bwolfe> I heard he was up late chatting with you |
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| 08:15:43 | <udai> you know I am really very much excited about OpenMRS |
| 08:15:44 | <emaillenin36> Hello.. |
| 08:15:56 | <bwolfe> good morning emaillenin36 |
| 08:16:03 | <emaillenin36> I'm a bioinfo student from INDIA wishing to apply for OpenMRS |
| 08:16:31 | <emaillenin36> I guess its not too late to apply :-) |
| 08:16:32 | <udai> I have worked previously in all those technologies intensivly what is used in OpenMRS |
| 08:16:55 | <bwolfe> emaillenin36: nope, you still have a few days I think |
| 08:17:27 | <emaillenin36> Shall i apply directly or should i discuss something here ? ? |
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| 08:18:05 | <bwolfe> emaillenin36: have you read through the gsoc FAQs? |
| 08:18:07 | <bwolfe> !gsocfaq |
| 08:18:08 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "gsocfaq" --- The GSoC 2008 FAQs are quite complete: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html |
| 08:18:17 | <udai> ben: you people are from Germany |
| 08:18:33 | <emaillenin36> Yeah. I have read the full page.. |
| 08:19:39 | <bwolfe> udai: some of the core developers (like us) in Indianapolis IN, USA |
| 08:19:43 | <bwolfe> udai: some are in Boston, MA, USA |
| 08:20:06 | <bwolfe> udai: and there are a few in South Africa, Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, |
| 08:20:10 | <bwolfe> hmm, not sure where else |
| 08:20:44 | <bwolfe> emaillenin36: read through our projects page and see what you like. if you want to discuss anything further with us you can here, or you can just apply |
| 08:20:46 | <bwolfe> !projects |
| 08:20:46 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "projects" --- OpenMRS Projects: http://projects.openmrs.org |
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| 08:28:16 | <sunbiz> hi everyone |
| 08:31:03 | <bwolfe> hey sunbiz |
| 08:35:51 | <sunbiz> hi ben |
| 08:35:59 | <sunbiz> howz it going ?? |
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| 08:36:13 | <sunbiz> lots of applications ? |
| 08:36:22 | <bwolfe> yeah, the' |
| 08:36:27 | <bwolfe> they're starting to pick up |
| 08:36:36 | <sunbiz> I didnt have any comment on my app as of yet ?? |
| 08:36:47 | <bwolfe> did you want some? |
| 08:36:55 | <sunbiz> have most of the other people gone through my app ?? |
| 08:37:31 | <sunbiz> not necessarily any comment.. just wanted to know how many people have gone through!! |
| 08:37:40 | <bwolfe> no, I think most devs put it off until after all are in |
| 08:37:48 | <sunbiz> ok |
| 08:37:49 | <bwolfe> orgs have a week to decide on students I think |
| 08:38:44 | <bwolfe> !echo $now |
| 08:38:44 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: Error: "echo" is not a valid command. |
| 08:38:58 | <sunbiz> !time |
| 08:38:59 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: "time" --- http://timeanddate.com |
| 08:39:07 | <sunbiz> !sunbiz |
| 08:39:07 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: "sunbiz" --- Just Another Developer |
| 08:39:24 | <bwolfe> haha |
| 08:39:46 | <sunbiz> !bwolfe |
| 08:39:46 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: Error: "bwolfe" is not a valid command. |
| 08:40:02 | <sunbiz> @bwolfe |
| 08:40:12 | <sunbiz> !@bwolfe |
| 08:40:13 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: Error: "@bwolfe" is not a valid command. |
| 08:40:31 | <bwolfe> !learn bwolfe as is a Jedi |
| 08:40:31 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:40:34 | <bwolfe> !bwolfe |
| 08:40:34 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "bwolfe" --- is a Jedi |
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| 08:42:29 | <sunbiz> bwolfe: George Lucas forgot to cast him !! |
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| 08:49:23 | <atomicturtle> ha |
| 08:50:09 | <atomicturtle> !learn atomicturtle is a turtle. |
| 08:50:09 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Invalid arguments for learn. |
| 08:50:31 | <bwolfe> !learn atomicturtule as is a turtle |
| 08:50:31 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:50:37 | <atomicturtle> yeah missed the as |
| 08:50:43 | <atomicturtle> !atomicturtle |
| 08:50:43 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: "atomicturtle" is not a valid command. |
| 08:50:58 | <bwolfe> haha, I can't type |
| 08:51:05 | <atomicturtle> hmm |
| 08:51:08 | <bwolfe> !forget atomicturtule |
| 08:51:08 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:51:11 | <atomicturtle> !|id |
| 08:51:11 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: "|id" is not a valid command. |
| 08:51:17 | <atomicturtle> !;id |
| 08:51:17 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: ";id" is not a valid command. |
| 08:51:18 | <bwolfe> !learn atomicturtle as is a turtle |
| 08:51:19 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:51:34 | <atomicturtle> !";id |
| 08:51:35 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: No closing quotation |
| 08:51:43 | <bwolfe> ![whoami] |
| 08:51:43 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: "bwolfe" --- is a Jedi |
| 08:51:56 | <atomicturtle> !"\; |
| 08:51:56 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: No closing quotation |
| 08:52:56 | <atomicturtle> !%7Cid |
| 08:52:56 | <OpenMRSBot> atomicturtle: Error: "%7Cid" is not a valid command. |
| 08:53:09 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: are you trying to break our bot? |
| 08:53:15 | <atomicturtle> du-hoy |
| 08:53:19 | <sunbiz> ![whoami] |
| 08:53:19 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: Error: "I don't recognize you." is not a valid command. |
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| 08:53:36 | <sunbiz> the bot forgot me :( |
| 08:53:44 | <bwolfe> sunbiz: you might have to be authenticated to the bot |
| 08:53:48 | <sunbiz> !sunbiz |
| 08:53:48 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: "sunbiz" --- Just Another Developer |
| 08:55:27 | <bwolfe> !tell sunbiz [bwolfe] |
| 08:55:47 | <bwolfe> !echo sunbiz: [projects] |
| 08:55:47 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: Error: "echo" is not a valid command. |
| 08:55:54 | <bwolfe> !reply sunbiz: [projects] |
| 08:55:54 | <OpenMRSBot> bwolfe: sunbiz: "projects" --- OpenMRS Projects: http://projects.openmrs.org |
| 08:55:56 | <sunbiz> hmmm... the Bot didnt tell me anything |
| 08:56:11 | <sunbiz> !projects |
| 08:56:11 | <OpenMRSBot> sunbiz: "projects" --- OpenMRS Projects: http://projects.openmrs.org |
| 08:56:19 | <bwolfe> heh, a little slow! |
| 08:56:32 | <bwolfe> oh shoot, you triggered that |
| 08:56:53 | <bwolfe> sunbiz: was it in a PM? |
| 08:57:21 | * sunbiz is scared... what did i trigger... A Bomb !! |
| 08:57:48 | <sunbiz> no PMs from me! |
| 08:58:03 | <bwolfe> !refer sunbiz [bwolfe] |
| 08:58:03 | * OpenMRSBot refers sunbiz to "bwolfe" --- is a Jedi |
| 08:58:10 | <bwolfe> !refer sunbiz [projects] |
| 08:58:10 | * OpenMRSBot refers sunbiz to "projects" --- OpenMRS Projects: http://projects.openmrs.org |
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| 08:58:25 | <bwolfe> !refer burke [bwolfe] |
| 08:58:25 | * OpenMRSBot refers burke to "bwolfe" --- is a Jedi |
| 08:59:19 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: whats the status on the new server? can we get our VM image moved over there pretty easily yet? |
| 08:59:56 | <atomicturtle> I should be able to take a crack at it tomorrow |
| 09:00:24 | <atomicturtle> I just did the basics so far, mysql, php, etc |
| 09:01:09 | <atomicturtle> btw, if we want to go this route, this company would sell us a full rack at cost |
| 09:01:56 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: do we need a full rack at this point? |
| 09:02:08 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: and does that full rack come with machines on it already? |
| 09:02:18 | <bwolfe> ...or just the rackspace is what they're willing to sell us? |
| 09:02:49 | <sunbiz> what VM r we running ?? |
| 09:02:49 | <atomicturtle> this would be just the rack space, power, and network |
| 09:02:55 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: hmm, so you're setting everything up again? Can we not just drop the image that we've worked so hard on into it? |
| 09:02:59 | <atomicturtle> sunbiz: we're using virtuozzo at the moment |
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| 09:03:38 | <atomicturtle> bwolfe: well I wasnt thinking of abandoning the stuff we got from helix |
| 09:03:46 | <atomicturtle> Im trying to diversify |
| 09:04:46 | <sunbiz> atomicturtle: any specific reasons for virtuazzo ?? |
| 09:04:47 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: multiple vm's on this box you mean? |
| 09:05:19 | <atomicturtle> sunbiz: well Im a shareholder in parallels for starters (founder of plesk). But the real reason was that it was free |
| 09:05:38 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: quick vocab lesson: are multiple VMs inside of a VPS or are multiple VPSs inside of a VM ? |
| 09:05:56 | <atomicturtle> a VPS and VM are the same thing |
| 09:06:08 | <sunbiz> I like the Xen or Sun xVM Ops |
| 09:06:26 | <atomicturtle> there are 3 kinds of virtualization: Full Hypervisor, Paravirtualization, and Containers |
| 09:06:35 | <sunbiz> I remember an old benchmark where XenSouce beat all the other guys... |
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| 09:06:49 | <sunbiz> even VmWare at a lot of places |
| 09:07:04 | <atomicturtle> Full Hypervisor's are KVM, QEMU, and Vmware. You can run anything you want in those, provided the architecture of the CPU supports it |
| 09:07:44 | <atomicturtle> Paravirtualization is Xen. It requires the guest (VPS) operating system's kernel to be customized for that environment |
| 09:07:54 | <atomicturtle> and Containers are a fancy way of saying chroot() jail. :P |
| 09:08:09 | <atomicturtle> Virtuozzo, and Vserver are Container type virtualization |
| 09:08:21 | <sunbiz> I was testing openSuSE then... when IanPratt just go it out |
| 09:08:52 | <atomicturtle> Our latest server is a dedicated system, we can run virtualization on it and at present I have it set up for KVM, QEMU, Xen, and Vserver |
| 09:09:13 | <sunbiz> ok...lots of different virtualization there!! |
| 09:09:14 | <atomicturtle> nothing is as fast as container type virtualization |
| 09:09:24 | <sunbiz> yea.. ESX for e.g. |
| 09:09:26 | <atomicturtle> since its not really "virtualized" :P |
| 09:10:15 | <atomicturtle> we could conceivably run 100 VM's in a container environment, where we would only be able to run 3-4 full hypervisor systems |
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| 09:11:14 | <bwolfe> but all containers are the same OS then on that system |
| 09:11:36 | <atomicturtle> correct, container environments are restricted to the Master OS |
| 09:11:49 | <atomicturtle> we could run different versions of Linux, but we couldn't run windows |
| 09:12:04 | <bwolfe> right, ok |
| 09:12:05 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3746]: Fixing module loading to skip over bad modules <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3746> |
| 09:12:08 | <atomicturtle> full and para-virt would let you run different OS's |
| 09:12:25 | <sunbiz> yea... exactly my point |
| 09:12:36 | <atomicturtle> but we dont want to go that way :P |
| 09:12:42 | <sunbiz> ok |
| 09:12:45 | <nribeka> hi all |
| 09:12:47 | <atomicturtle> that would involve me begging for more resources :P |
| 09:12:53 | <bwolfe> heh |
| 09:12:59 | <atomicturtle> we've got 1G of ram and x2 120G disks on this new box |
| 09:13:18 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: might be enough for a little while |
| 09:13:32 | <bwolfe> ...especially since demo isn't running on it |
| 09:13:33 | <burke> for starters, it'd be nice to get the website (Mediawiki) and forum (phpBB) into rock-solid, fast environments -- ideally in a manner that moving to different hardware doesn't mean reconfiguring from scratch. And ensure that they are backed up regularly. |
| 09:13:33 | <atomicturtle> its a solid box for hosting, as long as you keep the java people away |
| 09:13:45 | <burke> :) |
| 09:13:46 | <sunbiz> hi nribeka!! |
| 09:14:12 | <nribeka> hi sunbiz |
| 09:14:18 | <atomicturtle> the rule is: If someone tricks you into hosting java... add a lot more ram |
| 09:14:29 | <sunbiz> howz it going with cargo ?? |
| 09:15:13 | <sunbiz> atomicturtle: why keep the Java guys away ?? Aint we a Java webapp ? |
| 09:15:56 | <atomicturtle> thats just the rule in hosting |
| 09:16:33 | <atomicturtle> java uses a lot more resources, so you need to plan for it |
| 09:16:46 | <burke> hehe. java and zope. :o) |
| 09:16:50 | <sunbiz> yea... heard of Java accelerator chips |
| 09:16:56 | <sunbiz> ?? |
| 09:17:02 | <atomicturtle> sure |
| 09:17:05 | <bwolfe> ? |
| 09:17:08 | <atomicturtle> want to send us one? :P |
| 09:17:16 | <sunbiz> they r super performers!! |
| 09:17:20 | <burke> and send some for Kenya too! :p |
| 09:17:26 | <sunbiz> if I had the money... :( |
| 09:17:37 | <atomicturtle> yeah thats our problem |
| 09:17:37 | <burke> aye, there's the rub |
| 09:17:52 | <atomicturtle> All the systems we're using are donated |
| 09:18:46 | <atomicturtle> I would use www2 (Im great with the names huh) for anything that needs to be the lowest latency, and the highest availability |
| 09:18:47 | <sunbiz> thats gr8... good people aint like me I guess!! |
| 09:19:17 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: we don't use www now :-p |
| 09:19:18 | <atomicturtle> which Im guessing would be the wiki? |
| 09:19:42 | <bwolfe> yeah, wiki/forum probably |
| 09:19:55 | <atomicturtle> what I dont want to do is cram everything onto the same box |
| 09:20:37 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: right...ok |
| 09:20:48 | <atomicturtle> you know, hang on to vps1 for some stuff (QA?) |
| 09:20:58 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: define "at cost" for the rackspace. is it something reasonable? |
| 09:21:02 | <atomicturtle> and I'm still working on more stuff |
| 09:21:16 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: there is a guy at PIH that has offered to buy us machines...whatever kind of workhorses we want |
| 09:21:33 | <atomicturtle> bwolfe: 500$ a month |
| 09:21:52 | <atomicturtle> bwolfe: thats 42U of space, and 10mbits sustained, burstable to 100mbit |
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| 09:23:01 | <sunbiz> gr8.. |
| 09:23:21 | <atomicturtle> bwolfe: Im sure that if we only need to put up another server or two there they will cut us a break (free maybe) |
| 09:24:18 | <bwolfe> burke: whats paul doing with that 1u in his office? is it quality enough to put onto a rack next to the new vps? |
| 09:24:22 | <burke> atomicturtle: I think that's a bit over our needs at the moment. I could see us scaling up to something like that, but $500/month seems a bit steep to run mediawiki, phpBB, trac, and a few tomcat instances. |
| 09:24:51 | <atomicturtle> burke: my thoughts exactly |
| 09:25:00 | <burke> bwolfe: dunno. I think it's probably similar to KE-01...maybe a little less. |
| 09:25:53 | <burke> atomicturtle: I think we'd be happy to be somewhere under $100/month for now (of course, cheaper is nicer)...but willing and happy to pay for stability and guaranteed backup |
| 09:25:59 | <jmiranda> yeah, paul said if it's servers we need ... just ask |
| 09:26:28 | <atomicturtle> burke: I can probably get them to donate 4-10U worth of space |
| 09:26:43 | <sunbiz> are all of us getting server??? plzzz.....one for me as well !! |
| 09:26:44 | <burke> i'm happy for Paul E. to treat us...it's very generous. But I don't want to be dependent on his generosity, especially if it's unnecessary. |
| 09:26:58 | <sunbiz> ;-D |
| 09:27:04 | <burke> sunbiz: we have sinclair for you. :p |
| 09:27:14 | <burke> s/e s/e a s/ |
| 09:27:38 | <bwolfe> burke: true... |
| 09:27:45 | * sunbiz wants u to throw a banana... ready to catch!! |
| 09:27:56 | <burke> !boom |
| 09:27:56 | <OpenMRSBot> burke: "boom" --- BOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:28:10 | <burke> oops. that was a bowling ball candle by mistake |
| 09:28:10 | <atomicturtle> if you can read german... http://www.hetzner.de/rootserver.html |
| 09:28:16 | * sunbiz jumps... runs for cover |
| 09:28:40 | <atomicturtle> this is another company I have good relations with. They have the most competitive rates Ive seen for a large company |
| 09:29:12 | <atomicturtle> Id normally expect to pay 350-400$ a month for a box with 8G of ram. Thats more like 150$ |
| 09:29:29 | <bwolfe> the cost goes up daily in dollars though :-p |
| 09:29:43 | <atomicturtle> yes, you are at the mercy of the exchange rate |
| 09:30:20 | <bwolfe> oh wow, a rack has 42u on it. didn't realize a rack was that large. we probably won't need 21-42 servers for a while :-p |
| 09:30:21 | <burke> At this point, it would be nice to ensure that whatever our next move is, it's at least a 2-3 year relationship |
| 09:30:36 | <atomicturtle> so that would be an example of the kind of price you'd pay for bandwidth, hardware, and backup SLA's |
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| 09:31:06 | <atomicturtle> bwolfe: its a huge amount of space. Retail for that per month would be more like 2500$/mo |
| 09:31:13 | <burke> OpenMRS needs at least 30 beefy servers if you want to have over 100 patients, right? |
| 09:31:38 | <bwolfe> haha |
| 09:31:56 | <bwolfe> seemed like that for a while :-p |
| 09:32:01 | <burke> atomicturtle: should OpenMRS become the foundation for all future EMR development...well, then we'll be looking at that setup. :p |
| 09:32:58 | <atomicturtle> Please do what you can to kill off VISTA and Medical Manager. |
| 09:33:18 | <Keelhaul> =o |
| 09:33:22 | <sunbiz> ;-D killing the competition?? |
| 09:33:32 | <burke> hehe. But we've met Joseph from openVISTA and he's a really great guy. |
| 09:33:51 | <atomicturtle> anything to put that last coffin nail into VMS |
| 09:33:54 | <sunbiz> ok...guys gotta go... too much violence here!! |
| 09:34:08 | <bwolfe> cya sunbiz |
| 09:34:21 | <sunbiz> first the bombs, robby hitmen, coffin... :D |
| 09:34:28 | <sunbiz> bye |
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| 09:35:23 | <burke> OpenMRS is not competing. OpenMRS is not selling. OpenMRS = community. That's our best future. If someone makes a better system, then we can migrate the community to it if necessary. The goal is improving patient care in developing worlds. |
| 09:35:28 | <burke> bye sunbiz |
| 09:35:31 | <burke> cya later |
| 09:35:55 | <atomicturtle> I have to go through and do all the audits on VISTA for the veterans administration because Im the only person on the planet under 60 that understands VAX's |
| 09:36:05 | <atomicturtle> and I want the hurting to stop. kthx |
| 09:36:26 | <burke> hehe. we've got a few VAX experts here under 60. so you're not alone. |
| 09:37:28 | <jmiranda> bwolfe: i spoke to a guy from portland state university at the conference |
| 09:37:45 | <atomicturtle> you know VISTA is one of the two applications that keeps VMS alive |
| 09:37:49 | <jmiranda> they provide free hosting for open source projects |
| 09:37:50 | <atomicturtle> you know what the other one does? |
| 09:37:55 | <jmiranda> we just need to provide the hardware |
| 09:38:06 | <atomicturtle> guidance system controls for nuclear weapons |
| 09:38:32 | <atomicturtle> VISTA supports nuclear proliferation by proxy :P |
| 09:38:37 | <burke> let's play thermonuclear war :p |
| 09:38:42 | <bwolfe> jmiranda: atomicturtle found us a setup almost like that. check the logs for about 5 mins before you came in |
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| 09:38:47 | <bwolfe> !refer jmiranda [irclogs] |
| 09:38:48 | * OpenMRSBot refers jmiranda to "irclogs" --- The OpenMRS IRC logs are publicly displayed online: http://dev.openmrs.org/irclogs |
| 09:38:57 | <burke> OpenMRS kills kittens |
| 09:39:02 | <jmiranda> yeah, i was reading through already |
| 09:39:08 | <jmiranda> must have missed that |
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| 09:41:31 | <jmiranda> and just wanted to add another option ... i sent docpaul an email about it the other day |
| 09:42:06 | <jmiranda> the portland state guys apparently host some of the apache/jakarta projects |
| 09:43:53 | <atomicturtle> we dont need the federated storage engine in mysql on this box do we? |
| 09:46:35 | <bwolfe> atomicturtle: no |
| 09:46:45 | <atomicturtle> roger |
| 09:57:46 | <HongJun> bwolfe: Hi, I have submit my apply for "Structured Numeric (SN) Support for OpenMRS" to Google |
| 09:59:10 | <bwolfe> great! |
| 09:59:29 | <bwolfe> looks good |
| 10:00:03 | <HongJun> bwolfe: thank you! you have reviewed it? |
| 10:01:29 | <bwolfe> HongJun: just glanced at it briefly |
| 10:04:41 | <HongJun> bwolfe: I don't have enough time to apply for another project "Address Hierarchy Support", If time permit, I am willing to do this project too |
| 10:05:14 | <bwolfe> ok, we'll keep that in mind |
| 10:06:04 | <bwolfe> I think you have time |
| 10:06:11 | <bwolfe> !refer HongJun [gsoctimeline] |
| 10:06:11 | * OpenMRSBot refers HongJun to "gsoctimeline" --- http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline |
| 10:06:44 | <burke> HongJun: nice application. thank you. |
| 10:07:26 | * burke thinks Ben just likes to exercise the bot |
| 10:07:39 | <HongJun> burke: I think OpenMRS is a great project, I want to bring it into China someday |
| 10:08:38 | <burke> that sounds terrific. are there many folks in China with both medical and computer (i.e., medical informatics) training that you know of? |
| 10:08:42 | * bwolfe thinks the bot got off easy for a long time. now its time to work! |
| 10:09:22 | <bwolfe> hmm, first thing we need to do is support utf8 in our spring messages. I remember seeing something about that...but then not following up :-/ |
| 10:11:46 | <HongJun> burke: I am not very clear, but I think most people in China is familiar with Computer nowadays |
| 10:12:52 | <burke> yes. what we often find are computer experts and medical experts, but what is missing are people that are proficient in both |
| 10:13:03 | <HongJun> burke: Net-bar in China is common, even in the far-away town |
| 10:14:16 | <burke> so, now we need some of these young people to get excited about programming computers and then attend medical school and become doctors without losing their interest in computer programming |
| 10:14:22 | <Keelhaul> urban people |
| 10:14:29 | <Keelhaul> rural people maybe not so |
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| 10:18:41 | <HongJun> burke: yes, I agree with you, but If OpenMRS will be developed as easy as igoogle, I think it not very hard to use it |
| 10:20:35 | <burke> HongJun: we would love to see that, but managing an electronic medical record system is complex. Just vocabulary management alone (at least to do it well) requires both clinical and technical expertise. |
| 10:21:49 | <burke> HongJun: so, we (the world, including China) needs technical experts like yourself to become doctors. :p |
| 10:24:02 | <Keelhaul> but isnt that another ~10 years of school |
| 10:24:40 | <burke> if you're not learning, you're not living. :D |
| 10:25:12 | <Keelhaul> of full time school, mostly |
| 10:25:31 | <HongJun> yes, but we could become IT engineers in hospital |
| 10:26:01 | <HongJun> Just as IT engineer in Banks |
| 10:26:08 | <burke> at least in the US, it's two years of hitting the books and two years of clinical experience for med school, then residency varies 2-5 years, depending on the specialty. |
| 10:26:35 | <burke> HongJun: yes, we need those people too. |
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| 10:27:36 | <HongJun> In china, the is no restrict for doctor, If you will, you could do it |
| 10:28:21 | <burke> but IT people tend to come up with IT solutions and medical people come up with medical solutions and these often are very different and the two camps don't always understand the other. It's like having someone who speaks only chinese and someone who speaks only english. they can be friends & get along, but it's much better when someone can speak both languages |
| 10:29:15 | <HongJun> yes |
| 10:30:40 | <HongJun> but it is very hard to speak two languages, after more than 10-year's studying of english, I can't speak it well |
| 10:30:42 | <burke> and it's understanding not just the language, but the two cultures as well (medical & IT), many doctors have NO idea what it takes to program or design a solution (they think the computer is magical) |
| 10:31:04 | <burke> HongJun: you're english is much better than my chinese ;) |
| 10:31:25 | <burke> s/you're/your/ -- even my english is not that good ;) |
| 10:31:37 | <Keelhaul> heh |
| 10:31:52 | <Keelhaul> only native speakers do that |
| 10:31:55 | <Keelhaul> especially americans =P |
| 10:32:13 | <Keelhaul> i guess that's because you learn to speak first, and then tend to confuse words that sound the same |
| 10:32:29 | <Keelhaul> if you learn english as a foreign language, you learn how to spell at the same time |
| 10:33:07 | <HongJun> burke: maybe, but if you study chinese more the 10 year, i think you could speak as well as native chinese speaker |
| 10:33:19 | <Keelhaul> but i agree with HongJun, chatting and actually speaking are different things |
| 10:33:28 | <Keelhaul> i spend hours every day in irc |
| 10:33:39 | <Keelhaul> but i havent had any practice in speaking since high school |
| 10:34:13 | <burke> HongJun: I'm not so sure. My brain is just about full. I've wanted to learn Spanish for many years, but haven't found the time...and I believe Chinese would be a bit harder than Spanish. |
| 10:34:25 | <Keelhaul> for you, prolly =) |
| 10:34:34 | <Keelhaul> i think it's also age related |
| 10:34:39 | <Keelhaul> kids tend to learn faster |
| 10:34:42 | <burke> I've got plenty of age |
| 10:35:19 | <Keelhaul> learning to speak w/o an accent is way harder for adults |
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| 10:35:55 | <burke> I'm still hoping for the embedded universal translator. Unfortunately, looking at the output of Babelfish sometimes makes me think my Chinese would come out as gibberish anyway |
| 10:36:29 | <HongJun> burke: i think the language environment is more important, if you are wiling to study chinese, you can easy to get people to chat with |
| 10:36:30 | <Keelhaul> well one day we'll be all speaking chinese anyway =x |
| 10:36:42 | <burke> they make the Borg thing look so terrible on Star Trek...but some of those gadgets would be handy. |
| 10:36:43 | <burke> :) |
| 10:37:05 | <burke> I think someday I will be working for HongJun :) |
| 10:37:07 | <HongJun> but in China, the oppertunity to chat with english speaker is little |
| 10:37:22 | <Keelhaul> that's what internets is for =) |
| 10:39:04 | <HongJun> burke: I long for the day you work for me, :-) |
| 10:39:12 | <burke> HongJun: is there much concern for censorship? you say there are many net-bars now. does this make it easier to speak out about your feelings? We often see China as being very strict in controlling these things. But I also wonder how much we see in the news is US propaganda. Hard to tell. |
| 10:39:23 | <burke> HongJun: :) |
| 10:39:57 | <Keelhaul> the bbc has this nice series, "inside china" |
| 10:40:03 | <Keelhaul> i sometimes watch it while working out |
| 10:41:55 | <HongJun> burke: If you put some words unproper, these words will be cut down |
| 10:42:20 | <Keelhaul> automatically? |
| 10:42:36 | <burke> I like the way the internet (including things like GSoC) are opening up channel and relationships between people in countries all over the world. |
| 10:42:57 | <HongJun> auto or hand, both way |
| 10:43:33 | <HongJun> but cnn has put wrong news about Tibet |
| 10:44:00 | <burke> yes. it's so hard to know what the truth is without actually being there. |
| 10:44:05 | <atomicturtle> I only watched the Tibet stuff on Al Jazerra |
| 10:44:32 | <HongJun> so some guys build a site http://www.anti-cnn.com/ to discover the truth |
| 10:45:01 | <Keelhaul> trush about what |
| 10:45:04 | <Keelhaul> truth* |
| 10:45:24 | <Keelhaul> i get a blank page =o |
| 10:45:29 | <HongJun> about the thing in Tibet |
| 10:45:49 | <atomicturtle> i met the dalai lama once, many years ago. I really wanted to ask him if he had seen the movie Caddyshack but I couldnt do it |
| 10:46:35 | <burke> interesting, the page is not accessible here (Indiana, USA) either |
| 10:47:03 | <HongJun> atomicturtle: where are u |
| 10:47:09 | <atomicturtle> Im in Washington DC |
| 10:47:26 | <burke> it seems that the truth shouldn't be anti-anything :) it just is. |
| 10:47:40 | <burke> but, then again, truth seems very often to be relative. |
| 10:47:40 | <HongJun> I just visit the site a few hours ago, but I cann't visit now |
| 10:48:51 | <burke> if two people witness an event, their perception of reality can be strikingly different -- both telling the "truth" |
| 10:49:14 | <burke> now I can see it. |
| 10:50:04 | <Keelhaul> heh |
| 10:50:29 | <Keelhaul> alone window title makes that site look questionable |
| 10:50:30 | <HongJun> yes, I agree, but cnn has put lots of things happened in Nepal as the things happen in Tibet |
| 10:51:14 | <HongJun> I can visit it too |
| 10:53:53 | <HongJun> I will go bed now, see you tomorrow |
| 10:54:27 | <Keelhaul> gnite |
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| 11:02:28 | <jmiranda> hey burke |
| 11:02:43 | <burke> hey justin |
| 11:02:47 | <jmiranda> were you able to get any work done on the logic service over the past few weeks? |
| 11:03:24 | <burke> yes. i've tweaked the caching...still needs debugging. i need to commit the changes. |
| 11:03:52 | <jmiranda> ok |
| 11:03:54 | <jmiranda> i've been thinking that i'd like to get a developer to take over the ODA project |
| 11:04:24 | <jmiranda> and met a developer at the eclipse conference who was interested in doing some work |
| 11:04:31 | <burke> cule |
| 11:04:47 | <jmiranda> once i get a few of my BIRT and scheduler bugs fixed, i can start getting back into the logic service |
| 11:05:30 | <jmiranda> and help take some of the load off of you |
| 11:05:55 | <burke> would love that |
| 11:06:16 | <burke> there are several camps that could use logic |
| 11:06:37 | <burke> but I'm thinking that we could use a logic working group |
| 11:06:54 | <burke> not so much for design, but just to divide and conquer getting a 1.0 version out the door |
| 11:06:57 | <jmiranda> LogicCriteria still needs a bit of work, right? |
| 11:07:40 | <burke> yup. we really need a more flexible LogicCriteria |
| 11:07:44 | <jmiranda> yeah, i would be all about getting more eyes and hands on the logic code |
| 11:07:57 | <burke> we also will need tools to help data source writers navigate the logic criteria |
| 11:08:15 | <jmiranda> perhaps we could send a note to the developers list and mention that we need some help? |
| 11:08:40 | <burke> not a bad thought |
| 11:08:43 | <jmiranda> and spend a few hours on a call talking about the architecture, take a look at the code |
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| 11:09:04 | <jmiranda> similar to what we did back in boston, just over skype :) |
| 11:09:11 | <burke> yup |
| 11:09:24 | <burke> i like the sound of that |
| 11:13:05 | <jmiranda> you mind if i write an email to the developers list getting the ball rolling on that? |
| 11:13:18 | <jmiranda> or do you want some time to get the code committed before we start |
| 11:14:06 | <jmiranda> and in all honesty, i'm still a few weeks from being able to commit a lot of time to logic ... so there's no rush |
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| 11:14:37 | <burke> i'd like to get my code committed and beef up the logic presentation I threw together on the plane ride to help get everyone on the same page |
| 11:14:54 | <jmiranda> ok cool |
| 11:15:32 | <burke> but...knowing how my work/life gets sucked up by other chores, I wouldn't want to stop the process. so, let's revisit in a couple weeks. hopefully, I can get some code changes in and beef up the presentation a bit before then |
| 11:17:34 | <jmiranda> ok, i'll bring it up again before i leave for the mysql conference (or once i get back ... late april) |
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| 11:41:34 | <vindyanis> bwolfe: Hi |
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| 12:01:50 | <vindyanis> docpaul: |
| 12:01:52 | <vindyanis> Ji |
| 12:01:54 | <vindyanis> Hi |
| 12:03:20 | <burke> vindyanis: welcome |
| 12:03:34 | <vindyanis> Hi |
| 12:03:45 | <vindyanis> I am the medical student |
| 12:03:54 | <burke> from sri lanka? |
| 12:03:59 | <vindyanis> yes |
| 12:04:00 | <vindyanis> :) |
| 12:04:19 | <burke> have you submitted an application? |
| 12:04:27 | <vindyanis> not yet |
| 12:04:30 | <burke> k |
| 12:04:33 | <burke> any questions? |
| 12:05:16 | <vindyanis> I would like to know that have you got some new idea which is related with medical knowledge |
| 12:05:53 | <vindyanis> medical knowledge + software skills |
| 12:05:56 | <vindyanis> :) |
| 12:06:10 | <burke> Computers + medicine is a wonderful combination |
| 12:06:19 | <burke> I feel very lucky to be doing what I'm doing |
| 12:06:20 | <vindyanis> :) |
| 12:06:32 | <burke> are you a programmer? |
| 12:06:43 | <vindyanis> not really |
| 12:07:01 | <vindyanis> I am really like programming |
| 12:07:17 | <vindyanis> I usually do it in my leasure time |
| 12:07:17 | <burke> so, you have done some programming? |
| 12:07:20 | <burke> ok. |
| 12:07:33 | <burke> what language(s) do you or have you programmed in? |
| 12:07:51 | <vindyanis> Basically Java |
| 12:08:06 | <vindyanis> But I know C and C# well |
| 12:08:21 | <burke> Java is a good language to learn programming |
| 12:08:30 | <vindyanis> I prefer Java but I have no strong reason |
| 12:08:38 | <vindyanis> :) |
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| 12:09:17 | <burke> Java is formal enough to help with consistent programming. But not always the most fun, since user interface or web design is not its strength |
| 12:09:42 | <vindyanis> yes |
| 12:10:10 | <vindyanis> all languages have pros and cons |
| 12:10:18 | <vindyanis> it depends on the requirement |
| 12:10:20 | <vindyanis> right? |
| 12:10:28 | <burke> scripting languages (like Ruby, Python, Groovy, Perl, etc.) can be more fun to play with. |
| 12:10:31 | <burke> yes, definitely. |
| 12:10:44 | <vindyanis> yes of course |
| 12:11:04 | <burke> for a large application worked on by many and wanting to be platform-independent, Java has many advantages |
| 12:11:08 | <vindyanis> I have studied python as well :) |
| 12:11:19 | <burke> I really enjoy Python. |
| 12:11:31 | <vindyanis> yes less code :) |
| 12:12:07 | <burke> Groovy has the potential to bring this to Java -- many of the advantages of Python scripting, but built completely from Java and integrates *very* well |
| 12:12:13 | <vindyanis> I should make sure I am not going to clash variables |
| 12:12:21 | <burke> :) |
| 12:13:38 | <vindyanis> Currently all the listed idas need not the medical knowledge right? |
| 12:14:31 | <burke> well, they are much heavier on programming than medical knowledge, yes. |
| 12:15:15 | <burke> we tend to target these projects at non-medical folk, since GSoC attracts many eager programmers, but not many with medical background |
| 12:15:52 | <vindyanis> don't you have any idea which need both of these two streams |
| 12:16:00 | <burke> of course, medical knowledge can always help tremendously in considering design and understanding the needs of users |
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| 12:16:32 | <burke> hmmm...let me review them...just a second... |
| 12:16:49 | <vindyanis> ok |
| 12:19:07 | <burke> well, the projects available for GSoC are all more about feature creation (programming) more than content knowledge... |
| 12:19:43 | <burke> the image acquisition and manipulation projects could be influenced by an understanding of how images are used in a clinical setting... |
| 12:20:11 | <burke> patient notes could probably be done better by someone who knows something about medical documentation...maybe... |
| 12:21:13 | <vindyanis> I interesed in Advanced Digital Image Viewing and Annotation |
| 12:21:46 | <vindyanis> but as I got to know it is also need no much medical knowledge |
| 12:21:47 | <burke> yes. that's an interesting one. |
| 12:21:57 | <burke> true. |
| 12:22:42 | <burke> I think projects that got closer to content management would be helped more by medical knowledge |
| 12:23:11 | <burke> like work related to vocabulary management, term mapping, etc. |
| 12:23:28 | <vindyanis> of course |
| 12:23:55 | <burke> we are also working on a logic engine that will provide the means to do some really fun decision support |
| 12:24:09 | <burke> but that's a work in progress and fairly complicated/technical at the moment |
| 12:25:11 | <burke> you might consider lurking on the developers and implementers mailing lists. but I'm afraid that for GSoC (at least this year), we won't have projects that require much medical knowledge |
| 12:27:01 | <burke> we also have an internship program during the rest of the year and some of those projects get a bit more into the knowledge side |
| 12:27:27 | <vindyanis> :) |
| 12:28:14 | <vindyanis> so I may apply for these ideas |
| 12:28:24 | <burke> vindyanis: do you have area(s) of particular interest? standards ... concept mapping ... order entry ... decision support ... specific patient care contexts (pediatrics, geriatrics, ...)? |
| 12:29:00 | <burke> please do. we welcome your application. |
| 12:30:34 | <vindyanis> it may need some time,but GSoC has a deadline on monday |
| 12:31:10 | <vindyanis> r u online tomorrow |
| 12:36:57 | <vindyanis> burke: May I disturb you tomorrow? |
| 12:37:22 | <vindyanis> :) are you on line? |
| 12:37:31 | <burke> i should be checking in. I am traveling tomorrow, but should be checking in. |
| 12:37:41 | <burke> given how close the deadline is, I will do my best. |
| 12:37:57 | <burke> in any case, others will be here as well who can help answer any questions. |
| 12:38:46 | <vindyanis> Thank you very much |
| 12:39:22 | <vindyanis> I will try my best to fit my interested areas to fit into a GSoC project |
| 12:39:49 | <burke> sure. best of luck to you! |
| 12:40:10 | <vindyanis> thanks again and bye |
| 12:40:16 | <burke> bye |
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| 13:43:38 | <nribeka> bwolfe: hi |
| 13:43:49 | <bwolfe> hey nribeka |
| 13:44:23 | <nribeka> i found another way about the updating stuff |
| 13:44:47 | <nribeka> http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.org/doc/english/introduction.html |
| 13:44:50 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1k+c> (at wrapper.tanukisoftware.org) |
| 13:45:24 | <nribeka> but i need to check it though :) |
| 13:47:01 | <bwolfe> cool. so that would allow you to write a small java app that knows how to stop and start tomcat |
| 13:47:29 | <nribeka> yeah, did you check the site? |
| 13:48:23 | <nribeka> i will do some further reading and test then :) |
| 13:48:44 | <nribeka> bbl bwolfe |
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| 14:03:38 | <burke> bwolfe: there? |
| 14:04:53 | <burke> is person_attribute.value truly limited to 50 characters? can that be true? that's the size in my copy of the demo dataset. |
| 14:13:06 | <bwolfe> burke: not sure |
| 14:13:55 | <burke> i was just answering an e-mail about patient image support & realized that we'd need to use a reference string (URI) for person attribute to attach images that way |
| 14:25:56 | <bwolfe> burke: yeah, we'd want it to be a simple link to the filesystem whether we extend the size of that column or not |
| 14:28:07 | <burke> at least 255 would give breathing room...or 511...or 1023. agree that we'd store actual images somewhere else (either a separate table or in the file system) |
| 14:30:23 | <burke> bwolfe: is this ticket still open? http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/315 |
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| 14:31:27 | <bwolfe> burke: not really. I left it open because of: "Encounter.patient_id will be switched to encounter.person_id in the next release." |
| 14:33:25 | <bwolfe> need to run. will be back on later |
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| 14:51:55 | <chase> burke: you there? |
| 15:01:09 | <burke> yup. but packing up to head home. what's up? |
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| 15:16:58 | <r0bby> burke: did ya get my email |
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| 15:19:48 | <r0bby> burke: basically integrating grails into openmrs the direction we need to go is gonna be to say the least...difficult |
| 15:20:52 | <burke> yeah...that's why I figured we'd start with a simple groovy module, get some experience, and then consider Grails options later. |
| 15:21:13 | <burke> GSP support would be nice...but we might be able to fake it. |
| 15:21:53 | <eray> Hi, I want to be a SoC student, is there anyone that I can ask questions :) |
| 15:22:06 | <eray> by the way I am Eray MOLLA I am from Turkey :) |
| 15:23:26 | <burke> hi eray. i would be happy to answer your questions...unfortunately, I've got to run. |
| 15:23:53 | <burke> tonight may be a little tough, since docpaul is in the process of moving and some of us are helping him. :) |
| 15:24:09 | <eray> burke: no problem |
| 15:24:10 | <burke> but we'll be doing our best to hang out in IRC |
| 15:24:39 | <eray> burke: actually it is also a good thing you know about me already :) |
| 15:24:48 | <eray> burke: nice to meet you =) |
| 15:24:58 | <burke> nice to meet you too. :) |
| 15:25:16 | <eray> can I ask a little question only? |
| 15:25:24 | <burke> sure. shoot. |
| 15:25:40 | <eray> is there a project that is very important for you? |
| 15:25:49 | <eray> because I have choosen one of them |
| 15:26:04 | <eray> and I want to make a good application =) |
| 15:26:34 | <burke> hehe. they are all important to us. |
| 15:26:42 | <burke> are there any that you have an interest in? |
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| 15:27:13 | <eray> Advanced Digital Image Viewing and Annotation |
| 15:27:15 | <eray> :) |
| 15:27:31 | <eray> I believe I can develop a very useful tool |
| 15:28:14 | <eray> I have a good Java experience and I think it can handle such a problem easily :) |
| 15:28:23 | <burke> That could be a really fun one. Ideally, we'd like to see something ala Google Maps (tiled interface) ... fast and in the browser ... for viewing images and/or annotating. there's already someone working on a java applet solution |
| 15:29:07 | <eray> do you prefer flash or javascript ? |
| 15:29:57 | <burke> either would be okay...cross-browser javascript would probably be the favorite, since it relies only on the browser. but flash is fairly ubiquitous. except on my iphone. :x |
| 15:30:13 | <eray> I think Javascript can be a cool solution I think |
| 15:30:26 | <eray> because it supports vector graphics very well |
| 15:31:06 | <eray> maybe I can use Dojo Toolkit for annotations |
| 15:31:12 | <eray> the dojox.gfx |
| 15:31:18 | <eray> for annotations |
| 15:31:48 | <eray> flash is slow and causes a lot of headache :) |
| 15:32:12 | <eray> even it stops the machine sometimes :s |
| 15:34:20 | <burke> yup. fyi - we are discussing switching from dojo to jquery (still in discussions) |
| 15:34:24 | <burke> ok. gotta run. |
| 15:34:33 | <r0bby> burke: yeah -- i did find an interesting blog let me give it to you |
| 15:34:56 | <r0bby> http://burtbeckwith.com/blog/?p=58 |
| 15:34:59 | <burke> not sure if my wife will let me back on the grid tonight...but i'll try to get back here as I'm able this weekend. same goes for the other devs. |
| 15:35:23 | <burke> cule. got it, r0bby. I'll chat w/ you later. |
| 15:35:37 | <r0bby> now i go play with grails more! |
| 15:35:42 | <r0bby> ADIos burke |
| 15:35:48 | <burke> btw...I put a groovy project description on http://projects.openmrs.org if you haven't seen it. |
| 15:36:00 | <r0bby> I hope nobody else applies :< |
| 15:36:26 | <eray> also as you can guess I have no idea about openmrs in detail, I know only what it is for |
| 15:36:28 | <burke> got to keep you on your toes. :-) anyway, you've got a big head start. take a look. |
| 15:36:34 | <eray> what can I do before my application :) |
| 15:37:13 | <burke> eray: applications aren't due until Monday. I'd suggest lurking here until someone else (or myself) can give you some feeback. |
| 15:37:36 | <burke> but you can always put in an app and request comments so you can edit it. |
| 15:38:06 | <burke> cheers |
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| 16:54:09 | <wanderingwill> hello |
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| 16:54:39 | <wanderingwill> i'm still trying to get openmrs running on my mac |
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| 16:57:15 | <nribeka> hi will. it's not working yet? |
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| 16:57:57 | <nribeka> until what step are you? |
| 16:58:08 | <nribeka> we have the mentors here ... |
| 16:58:21 | <nribeka> docpaul and djazayeri :) |
| 16:58:29 | <djazayeri> hi nribeka |
| 16:59:40 | <nribeka> hi djazayeri |
| 17:00:07 | <nribeka> wanderingwill is trying to run openmrs on his mac but it's not working :) |
| 17:00:31 | <nribeka> he was here last night and we tried to help him |
| 17:01:11 | <nribeka> so i think mentors can point out a better direction then us :P |
| 17:01:53 | <djazayeri> I've never set up openmrs on a mac myself, but I can try to help |
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| 17:02:48 | <nribeka> hehe ... me too. i'm just a dirty peasant. i use micro$oft :P |
| 17:04:27 | <djazayeri> actually I have to head out |
| 17:04:34 | <djazayeri> i wil probably be online sometime later |
| 17:05:05 | <nribeka> ok ok. i think other mentors can help him out :) |
| 17:05:13 | <wanderingwill> ok, so i think the problem is during the start of tomcat |
| 17:06:02 | <wanderingwill> i have downloaded the code, created the mysql database, and loaded everything into eclipse. i have created the build and runtime configuration files |
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| 17:07:53 | <nribeka> tomcat is not started? |
| 17:08:03 | <nribeka> if the prob is tomcat, i think you can start by reading the logs file |
| 17:09:30 | <wanderingwill> outside of eclipse, i can start tomcat |
| 17:09:50 | <wanderingwill> when i go to http://localhost:8080, i get a tomcat page |
| 17:10:13 | <wanderingwill> when i try to goto http://localhost:8080/manager, i get a 404 |
| 17:13:07 | <nribeka> try this instead |
| 17:13:09 | <nribeka> http://localhost:8080/manager/html |
| 17:13:41 | <wanderingwill> awesome, i logged in |
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| 17:14:07 | <nribeka> ok i think there is no problem with the tomcat |
| 17:14:08 | <wanderingwill> i made sure that the tomcat_users.xml file was configured |
| 17:14:29 | <wanderingwill> now, i want to try run the install script in eclipse. |
| 17:14:32 | <wanderingwill> how should i do this? |
| 17:14:45 | <wanderingwill> should i shutdown tomcat? should i start tomcat in eclipse? |
| 17:15:11 | <nribeka> do you mean the "install" target of the openmrs ant build script? |
| 17:15:14 | <wanderingwill> yes |
| 17:15:39 | <nribeka> have you set the credential of the tomcat manager in the build properties? |
| 17:15:45 | <wanderingwill> last time i ran it, i got authentication errors when it tried to deploy tomcat |
| 17:16:34 | <wanderingwill> let me check. i should have a user named "test" with password "test" and roles in the tomcat-users.xml file |
| 17:16:53 | <nribeka> i think you need to set the user and pass of the tomcat manager in the build properties |
| 17:22:43 | <wanderingwill> in the build properties tomcat.user="test" and tomcat.password="test" |
| 17:24:39 | <wanderingwill> i added the user test to tomcat-user.xml with the roles "manager,admin,tomcat" |
| 17:25:35 | <nribeka> i'm not sure with this, but maybe it caused by this one: |
| 17:25:42 | <nribeka> <property name="tomcat.manager.url" value="http://${tomcat.server}:${tomcat.port}/manager" /> |
| 17:26:16 | <nribeka> it's in properties.xml |
| 17:26:53 | <nribeka> the url is going to become: http://localhost:8080/manager in your machine |
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| 17:27:08 | <nribeka> but you will get 404 if you open this url right? |
| 17:28:40 | <wanderingwill> correct |
| 17:29:02 | <nribeka> i'm not sure about this but maybe you can try to override this value to http://${tomcat.server}:${tomcat.port}/manager/html |
| 17:29:03 | <wanderingwill> INFO: The listener "listeners.ContextListener" is already configured for this context. The duplicate definition has been ignored. |
| 17:29:05 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:23:15 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext addApplicationListener |
| 17:29:06 | <wanderingwill> INFO: The listener "listeners.SessionListener" is already configured for this context. The duplicate definition has been ignored. |
| 17:29:08 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:23:16 PM org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol start |
| 17:29:09 | <wanderingwill> INFO: Starting Coyote HTTP/1.1 on http-8080 |
| 17:29:11 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:23:16 PM org.apache.jk.common.ChannelSocket init |
| 17:29:12 | <wanderingwill> INFO: JK: ajp13 listening on /0.0.0.0:8009 |
| 17:29:14 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:23:16 PM org.apache.jk.server.JkMain start |
| 17:29:15 | <wanderingwill> INFO: Jk running ID=0 time=0/19 config=null |
| 17:29:17 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:23:16 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina start |
| 17:29:19 | <wanderingwill> INFO: Server startup in 955 ms |
| 17:29:20 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:25:30 PM org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig deployWAR |
| 17:29:21 | <wanderingwill> INFO: Deploying web application archive openmrs.war |
| 17:29:23 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:25:36 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext addApplicationListener |
| 17:29:25 | <wanderingwill> INFO: The listener "org.openmrs.web.Listener" is already configured for this context. The duplicate definition has been ignored. |
| 17:29:27 | <wanderingwill> Mar 28, 2008 7:25:36 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext addApplicationListener |
| 17:29:29 | <wanderingwill> INFO: The listener "org.springframework.web.util.IntrospectorCleanupListener" is already configured for this context. The duplicate definition has been ignored. |
| 17:29:32 | <wanderingwill> ERROR - HibernateSessionFactoryBean.checkDatabaseConnection(118) |2008-03-28 19:25:54,205| Error while starting up. Unable to connection using |
| 17:29:35 | <wanderingwill> java.sql.SQLException: Server connection failure during transaction. Due to underlying exception: 'java.net.SocketException: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused'. |
| 17:29:38 | <wanderingwill> ** BEGIN NESTED EXCEPTION ** |
| 17:29:40 | <wanderingwill> java.net.SocketException |
| 17:29:42 | <wanderingwill> MESSAGE: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused |
| 17:29:44 | <wanderingwill> that's probably what i need to do |
| 17:29:46 | <wanderingwill> the last message comes from the catlina.out log file |
| 17:30:00 | <nribeka> that's database problem |
| 17:30:20 | <nribeka> i don't think it's tomcat problem |
| 17:34:07 | <r0bby> that's 100% database |
| 17:34:35 | <nribeka> hi robby |
| 17:34:39 | <nribeka> yups |
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| 17:36:48 | <wanderingwill> ok. do you think i am not passing in the correct username and password to the database? |
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| 17:45:55 | * r0bby sighs |
| 17:46:02 | * r0bby fires up idea |
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| 19:55:23 | <r0bby> /j/gg |
| 19:55:24 | <r0bby> er |
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| 21:00:12 | <burke> hey folks. anyone with questions re: OpenMRS? |
| 21:21:17 | <cancer> yeah burke.... when comin to patient portrait support u need us to create a module for uploading, choosing and display right??? wat would be the prefered language??? i would jsp??? |
| 21:23:12 | <burke> the module would, like existing openmrs modules, be created from the basic_module template and, yes, would use Java and JSP. Likely some JavaScript and possibly some AJAX via DWR and/or Dojo/JQuery. |
| 21:23:46 | <burke> The module would also need to store/retrieve the images either from the file system or from its own table |
| 21:24:27 | <burke> the module system in OpenMRS (http://openmrs.org/wiki/Modules) provides a framework within which to work, including hooks into either the web or API layers |
| 21:25:44 | <burke> the reference to the photograph would be stored as a person attribute (in the person_attribute table, defined as a new person_attribute_type) |
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| 21:29:19 | <cancer> oh u need us to do this with adding few stuffs in the existing module... javascript i can do welll so that wnt be a problem |
| 21:30:16 | <burke> well, we have a module architecture, including a "starter" module that can be shaped to meet your needs. many of our modules have been built by adapting the basic_module example that Ben created. |
| 21:30:42 | <burke> the basic_module has no real functionality other than to serve as a starting point for creating a new module |
| 21:31:55 | <burke> so, adding patient image support would require some JSP along with JavaScript |
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| 21:33:09 | <cancer> oh... burke i would like to know one more thing... i have done many projects in java but only as my personal projects and not bigger projects... and currently im buildin an app for orkut so i know how to do this proj but i dont ve enough projects to list in my resume... would that affect in my priority??? |
| 21:35:48 | <burke> you don't have to have tons of projects you can point to, but it helps if you can demonstrate some of your coding skill -- e.g., either by pointing to some code you've written or by attaching it (if you can't attach in the Google app, you can always send it to us). Not a requirement, but demonstrating that you know how to program doesn't hurt :) |
| 21:38:21 | <burke> and while we don't expect you to know everything up front, applications that show that you've done a little homework and have thought through some of the issues +/- providing a rough timeline usually come across better |
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| 22:07:36 | <r0bby> :P |
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