IRC Chat : 2008-03-26 - OpenMRS

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06:05:09 <OpenMRSBot> Hey there Ben!
06:05:33 <bwolfe> Hey there bot!
06:06:38 <HongJun> bwolfe: have you read my mail about the Location Hierarchy
06:07:11 <bwolfe> I did, I just hadn't responded yet, sorry
06:07:49 <bwolfe> json still isn't necessarily needed
06:08:12 <bwolfe> are you familiar with java, jsp, jstl, controllers, etc?
06:08:54 <HongJun> json is not necessary, but it is easier to handle with javascript than xml
06:09:26 <HongJun> yes, I have 2-year's experience of java, j2ee experience
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06:11:28 <HongJun> bwolfe: I am familiar with Spring
06:13:16 <bwolfe> HongJun: ah, ok
06:13:43 <bwolfe> so the point I was wanting to make was that you can just pass a java object to the jsp page that can be iterated over in a tree fashion
06:14:12 <bhanu1> hello bwolfe
06:14:24 <bwolfe> hey bhanu
06:14:26 <bhanu1> i have Question
06:14:31 <HongJun> yes, it is a way to transport data to the web page
06:15:14 <bwolfe> HongJun: this page does something similar with a /very/ complex tree: http://demo.openmrs.org/openmrs/admin/forms/formSchemaDesign.form?formId=15
06:15:15 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jKX> (at demo.openmrs.org)
06:16:06 <bwolfe> and java/javascript code that generates the tree is: https://listserv.iupui.edu/cgi-bin/wa-iupui.exe?A2=ind0803&L=openmrs-devel-l&D=1&T=0&O=D&P=20266
06:16:08 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jK_> (at listserv.iupui.edu)
06:16:14 <bhanu1> will you accept a proposal for every porject that you mention in project ideas
06:16:31 <bwolfe> bhanu: no, I don't think we will be able to for 2 reasons:
06:17:18 <bwolfe> 1) we only want to do 1-on-1 mentoring. we don't have as many mentors as we have projects
06:17:41 <bwolfe> 2) because google determines how many students we can have (and then we decide which students to take)
06:18:45 <HongJun> bwolfe: but I'd like to use ajax+json, it could decouple the Web page with the java object
06:18:51 <bwolfe> bhanu: if we had enough people to mentor and google was generous enough, then we would love to accept a student for every project proposal on that page! :-)
06:19:37 <bhanu1> You will implement New and Unclaimed poject in the System
06:20:06 <bwolfe> HongJun: 1) I don't think javascript is required to do the transport. it would be an unnecessary addition...we don't like to put javascript in places just because
06:20:30 <bwolfe> HongJun: 2) why does the web page have to be decoupled from the java object? we're a java application :-)
06:21:01 <bwolfe> bhanu: (I was referring to just the New and Unclaimed ones)
06:22:47 <HongJun> bwolfe: do you have some idea of web-service? In a web service way, it's necessay to decouple
06:23:29 <HongJun> Anyway, we could save all the problem using java object,
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06:24:30 <bwolfe> bhanu1: your counterpart has quit :-)
06:24:50 <bwolfe> you can change your nick with /nick bhanu
06:25:39 <bhanu1> ok
06:26:06 <bwolfe> bhanu1: yep, I'm familiar with web services. however, getting location hierarchies into openmrs isn't going to require them. :-)
06:26:54 <HongJun> bwolfe: I think the implement of that is not very important. At first, I want to get a clear idea about the requirement of the "Address Hierarchy Support"
06:28:14 <HongJun> bwolfe: If I can't get a clear idea on this topic, Maybe I wil change to applly the "Logitudinal Data Review " topic
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06:29:53 <bwolfe> HongJun: I think the hierarchy project is easier than you are thinking it is
06:30:48 <HongJun> bwolfe: i have some expericen on that, maybe i can send you a demo
06:30:54 <bwolfe> welcome kane77 . what brings you our way?
06:31:11 <bhanu> bowlf i am going to send proposal for "patient Porrait support" but i feel it is easy and it is New and unclaimed
06:31:13 <bwolfe> HongJun: sure
06:31:39 <kane77> bwolfe, hi, I was considering applying for GSoC
06:32:37 <bwolfe> kane77: ah, ok. let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you
06:34:09 <bhanu> it is better for me to select it
06:34:54 <bwolfe> bhanu: what do you mean?
06:34:56 <kane77> bwolfe, I became very skeptical lately.. all of the students I've seen applying have many experience with OSS development, work on many projects... I haven't worked on any larger project so far.. :(
06:35:26 <bwolfe> kane77: actually, I think most students applying don't have OSS experience
06:35:37 <bwolfe> kane77: do you have java skills or experience?
06:36:02 <kane77> bwolfe, yes, I have java experience, however not EE
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06:36:34 <kane77> I began looking into J2EE recently
06:37:56 <bwolfe> kane77: knowing that EE is out there is a good start :-)
06:38:17 <bwolfe> I didn't even know that when I started
06:38:34 <nribeka_> morning all
06:39:05 <nribeka_> bwolfe: i'm still updating my proposal
06:39:07 <bhanu> have all project same priorty of selection
06:39:08 <bwolfe> hey there nribeka
06:39:11 <bwolfe> nribeka: no problem
06:39:31 <nribeka_> bwolfe again: so you started from zero when you join openmrs? wow ...
06:39:34 <bwolfe> bhanu: the projects are /approximately/ sorted from top to bottom with priority
06:40:03 <bwolfe> bhanu: but if there is a good student for a project further down, we will take them over a project up higher
06:40:33 <kane77> bwolfe, so, do you think I should apply after all? I would really like to work for some (preferably java) OSS project (even besides GSoC)
06:40:43 <bwolfe> nribeka: not zero...maybe from 1. :-) I started here right out of undergraduate, but they didn't teach us any web/j2ee stuff in there. I learned that on the job
06:41:06 <bwolfe> kane77: yes, definitely apply.
06:41:40 <kane77> bwolfe, okay, thank you for the encouragement :) I was beginning to lose all hopes :D
06:42:48 <bhanu> thank you bwolfe
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07:07:04 <cancer> bwolfe: does the patient portrait support proj deals only with uploading the patients photo?
07:07:48 <bwolfe> cancer: uploading/displaying/choosing a photo
07:08:28 <cancer> Y the Advanced Digital Image Viewing and Annotation proj cannot be merged along this?? so that an end user can do the both in a browser rather than creating a desktop application for that
07:09:18 <bwolfe> the image viewing project is more about files like xrays, etc
07:09:31 <bwolfe> so that doctors can write notes on them and about them, essentially
07:10:16 <bwolfe> the patient photo project is about getting a photo for patients, choosing defaults, showing old photos, etc
07:13:23 <cancer> and something like cropping???
07:13:54 <bwolfe> no cropping in the patient photo probably
07:14:02 <bwolfe> although maybe
07:14:12 <cancer> oh :)
07:14:14 <bwolfe> I can see people wanting to upload what they have and then just cut it down in the webapp
07:14:25 <bwolfe> that'd be a bonus
07:14:50 <cancer> oh... Wolfe wat about this proj prepackaged OpenMRS Development Studio
07:15:18 <cancer> you want us to create a development platform for openmrs wrtten on ecplise?
07:15:38 <bwolfe> more like a plugin for eclipse that makes writing new modules easy
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07:25:14 <nribeka_> bwolfe: Please provide links to websites created by you and/or source code examples -> what if i have never created website?
07:25:39 <bwolfe> nribeka_: that is ok
07:25:52 <nribeka_> and also i can't provide you with source examples, my project mostly is propietary software
07:25:54 <bwolfe> nribeka_: do you have source code examples of anything you've written?
07:26:03 <bwolfe> I see
07:26:49 <nribeka_> i have a link to a visualization tools that i write with my friend. but how can i proof that i wrote it down? :(
07:28:20 <nribeka_> my previous employer have a product for hospital in Grasberg mine
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07:29:28 <nribeka_> the Grasberg mine belongs to Freeport-McMoRan
07:29:41 <nribeka_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasberg_mine
07:30:10 <nribeka_> or you can quiz me haha ...
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07:32:31 <bwolfe> thats a huge they've dug
07:32:38 <bwolfe> *huge hole
07:33:17 <nribeka_> you mean Grasberg?
07:33:22 <bwolfe> yeah
07:33:33 <nribeka_> yeah, they dug but they don't give anything to the community
07:34:06 <nribeka_> people living in a very poor condition there :(
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07:42:09 <sunbiz> hi guys!!
07:44:14 <sunbiz> bwolfe: I'm just about to finish my application
07:44:35 <sunbiz> do u think i should send it to you or some other mentor first
07:44:50 <sunbiz> before pasting it to google ??
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07:45:55 <bwolfe> sunbiz: sure, I can look over it
07:46:00 <bwolfe> ben _ at _ openmrs.org
07:46:46 <sunbiz> thanks... I'll mail it to you as soon as I finish it
07:47:11 <nribeka> bwolfe: so what should i do about the code/website?
07:47:13 <sunbiz> anyways.. I really find it bad that Google's app is all text and no HTML!!
07:47:39 <bwolfe> nribeka: link to what you can I guess
07:50:16 <sunbiz> bwolfe: how many apps received till now ??
07:51:18 <bwolfe> not many
07:51:55 <sunbiz> ok... I hope we get the best devs this time
07:52:28 <sunbiz> Is there an award to the best mentor organization at the end of GSoC ??
07:53:46 <bwolfe> no
07:53:51 <bwolfe> how would that be determined??
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07:54:49 <sunbiz> by some form of voting between the mentors... when u guys are supposed to meet at Google at the end
07:55:02 <sunbiz> all the contributions can be reviewed by everyone
07:55:27 <sunbiz> and the one people think could be the biggest/most valuable contribution to improvement in the proj
07:55:34 <sunbiz> can be given a prize !!
07:56:27 <sunbiz> do we go to JavaOne ??
07:57:00 <sunbiz> or previously have we??
07:57:40 <bwolfe> sunbiz: we were invited to javaone as a project, but we didn't go
07:57:52 <bwolfe> there was one developer that went, tom hubshman I believe
07:58:02 <bwolfe> we were at the eclipse conference last month
07:58:14 <bwolfe> and justin and I will have an openmrs booth at the mysql conference next month
07:58:38 <bwolfe> sunbiz: there will be 800+ projects submitted probably...no one wants to go through all of those!
07:59:41 <sunbiz> gr8 !!
07:59:56 <sunbiz> ok...cya then!!
08:00:10 <sunbiz> bwolfe: will send u the app as soon as I finish!!
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08:50:02 <HongJun> bwolfe: I have complete the Demo
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08:50:15 <bwolfe> HongJun: yep, just got it. looking at it now
08:50:21 <HongJun> bwolfe: Please chech your mail
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08:51:07 <HongJun> bwolfe: just open the location.html with IE
08:51:44 <bwolfe> works in FF too
08:52:33 <HongJun> i haven't test
08:53:50 <bwolfe> this is along the lines of what the project is wanting
08:54:00 <bwolfe> except using the datamodel
08:54:06 <bwolfe> and along users to define those different levels
08:57:10 <HongJun> I use data.js to store the location data, it's a json format
09:00:25 <HongJun> bwolfe: When implement it in the project, read data from the db first, and then generate a json data file, at last put it to the web page that needs location selection
09:01:01 <bwolfe> HongJun: that would be one way to do it
09:01:48 <HongJun> bwolfe: yes, but I think it a flexible way
09:02:24 <HongJun> and the levels could accord to the json data levels
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09:04:23 <HongJun> bwolfe: could you send me some detailed requirment for that, so I can fullfill the project
09:05:48 <bwolfe> The current page is the Manage Locations on the administration
09:05:53 <bwolfe> see demo.openmrs.org
09:05:57 <bwolfe> login with admin test
09:06:08 <bwolfe> the other place would be when editing patients
09:06:23 <bwolfe> see the patient dashboard by searching for a patient and choosing them
09:06:46 <bwolfe> from the dashboard you can select to edit a patient...on that page you can choose their address
09:07:04 <bwolfe> I don't know what else to tell you
09:07:12 <bwolfe> you'll have to bug djazayeri :-)
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09:18:52 <HongJun> bwolfe: what is djazayeri mean
09:19:31 <bwolfe> djazayeri = Darius Jazayeri
09:20:17 <bwolfe> he is the mentor for this project.
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09:24:47 <bhanu> bwolfe can we add a portrait download functionality iin patient portrait support project
09:25:01 <bwolfe> bhanu: sure
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09:26:53 <HongJun> bwolfe: when Darius Jazayeri will online
09:27:03 <bwolfe> he's usually on in the afternoon
09:27:05 <bwolfe> or you can email him
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09:32:37 <bhanu> bwolfe we can provide option for change the size ,and change the format in downloading functionality??
09:36:57 <bwolfe> bhanu: um, sure
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09:51:51 <HongJun> bwolfe: I am also interested to 'Logitudinal Data Review', can I apply two at the same time
09:52:50 <bwolfe> I think
09:52:53 <bwolfe> I think so
09:53:13 <bwolfe> make sure you put a note in both applications that you applied to the other one as well
09:53:29 <HongJun> ok
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10:03:48 <HongJun> bwolfe: do you know the "structured numeric datatype" of the OpenMRS
10:04:15 <bwolfe> that project would be creating it I think
10:05:50 <HongJun> bwolfe: I think the data could be processed by regular expression
10:06:40 <bwolfe> HongJun: which project are you talking about?
10:08:23 <HongJun> bwolfe: Structured Numeric Support
10:09:56 <bwolfe> hmm, not really
10:10:06 <bwolfe> read up on the concept dictionary:
10:10:16 <bwolfe> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Dictionary_101
10:11:30 <bwolfe> and about observations in openmrs: http://openmrs.org/wiki/Obs_Table_Primer
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10:19:31 <napi> AFternoon all
10:23:06 <bwolfe> hey
10:24:19 <djazayeri> hola
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10:26:35 <sunbiz> bwolfe: sent u the email with my application
10:34:58 <nribeka> bwolfe: i update my site at the university and i'm sending you my latest proposal :-)
10:36:36 <HongJun> bwolfe: I will go bed now, see you
10:37:24 <bwolfe> see you HongJun
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11:00:34 <sunbiz> cya guys!!
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11:04:14 <bwolfe> bbl
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11:09:48 <bhanu> bwolfe can i include code of jsp,sevelt and databse Query in Source code example for showing it in application
11:11:07 <bhanu> servlet not sevelt
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11:23:45 <bhanu> hello bwolfe
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12:11:53 <bhanu> hello djazayeri
12:12:52 <napi> mmmm
12:13:08 <napi> been staring at the "submit" button for ~ 10 minutes now
12:13:15 <napi> can't bring myself to submit the application lol
12:13:32 <bwolfe> bhanu: a link to a google doc or some external source would be preferred
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12:13:38 <bwolfe> bhanu: the description box is only so big :-)
12:13:46 <bwolfe> napi: you are able to edit it after submitting
12:13:59 <bwolfe> napi: you are allowed 1 edit per mentor/orgranization comment on the application
12:14:08 <djazayeri> hi bhanu
12:14:09 <bwolfe> so if you need to edit it, let us know and we can comment on the application for you
12:14:24 <napi> heh it's more just deciding if the entire thing is up to standard
12:14:51 <napi> as there's a lot of interest in the portrait+image+notes one, been looking at the prepackaged development studio
12:16:13 <bwolfe> napi: heh, yes, a lot of interest int he patient portrait one for some reason
12:16:22 <bwolfe> the patient notes one has not gotten as much interest
12:16:43 <napi> oh? thought I'd seen a few people in here asking about it
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12:20:42 <bwolfe> hmm, I don't remember discussing the note one, but maybe other people have
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12:21:39 <nribeka> bwolfe: i already sent you the latest proposal. what do you think? should I made changes?
12:22:45 <bwolfe> nribeka: haven't had a chance to look through it yet
12:24:08 <nribeka> i do some testing on cargo and cargo can't handle container that is started outside cargo.
12:24:39 <bwolfe> nribeka: looks good
12:24:42 <nribeka> so for example if we start tomcat using tomcat monitor (app that come with tomcat), cargo can't handle it
12:25:16 <nribeka> but if tomcat is started using cargo, then it cargo can manipulate it (start, stop, deploy)
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12:25:40 <nribeka> cargo also have the ability to download and install container (if necessary)
12:25:45 <nribeka> :-)
12:25:57 <bwolfe> what would it look like for cargo to start tomcat?
12:26:23 <bwolfe> would it be as easy for implementers to do as the "tomcat monitor" is?
12:27:15 <nribeka> yes, we can create another "all container monitor" using daemon from common
12:27:54 <bhanu> bwolfe can i include code of jsp,servelt and databse Query in application as a source code example
12:28:33 <nribeka> this daemon will wrap a cargo application
12:28:45 <nribeka> the cargo application will run the container
12:28:57 <nribeka> so, it's like: daemon -> cargo -> container
12:29:32 <nribeka> do you understand my explanation?
12:29:38 <nribeka> :-P
12:29:51 <bwolfe> bhanu: link to your source code. create a google doc and put it in there then link to the google doc from your application
12:30:21 <bwolfe> nribeka: hmm, so you'd have to rewrite that tomcat monitor essentially
12:30:48 <bwolfe> how about writing a small java program that runs as a daemon that can restart any container
12:31:06 <bwolfe> the java program would just need to have a way to be triggered from within tomcat
12:32:03 <nribeka> but if we shutdown the tomcat, it will also kill the small java application
12:32:30 <nribeka> i do some test last night.
12:32:36 <nribeka> here what i did:
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12:32:58 <nribeka> - create a program that run tomcat using cargo through eclipse.
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12:33:32 <nribeka> - kill the program on eclipse
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12:34:11 <nribeka> - the program is stopped but the tomcat is still running. so, this means that the apps is not sharing the same jvm with tomcat right?
12:34:38 <nribeka> - run another program that use cargo to stop the tomcat and the tomcat is stopped
12:35:02 <nribeka> so, actually i think it's possible to write just small application as you said.
12:35:35 <nribeka> err, to write small app as you said
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12:52:16 <nribeka> what do you think bwolfe?
12:52:32 <nribeka> go with the small one? or re-write monitor?
12:52:34 <nribeka> :-(
12:53:20 <bwolfe> nribeka: the small one sounds more doable
12:53:24 <bwolfe> just a small java daemon
12:54:06 <nribeka> so. do you want me to update the proposal as well?
12:54:47 <bwolfe> you don't have to
12:54:55 <bwolfe> but I would keep it in mind as an option
12:55:28 <nribeka> ok. great then. so i just submit my current proposal then?
12:59:50 <bwolfe> yep
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13:14:16 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #657 (defect created): Unable to Remove Person Relations <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/657>
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13:22:48 <nribeka> ok bwolfe. thanks. i will submit it.
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13:42:13 <bwolfe> jmiranda: welcome, stranger!
13:43:45 <jmiranda_> hey bwolfe
13:44:04 <bwolfe> jmiranda: trying out mibbit? didn't like it enough?
13:44:10 <jmiranda_> i love it
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13:46:31 <jmiranda_> i think we should embed the ajax client on the wiki
13:46:40 <bwolfe> burke was trying to do that
13:46:59 <bwolfe> http://openmrs.org/wiki/IRC
13:47:14 <bwolfe> doesn't look like he succeeded
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14:01:41 <napi> hmm
14:01:51 <napi> can't decide between note annotation or the packaging
14:01:52 <napi> ¬.¬
14:05:35 <bwolfe> napi: you can apply to both
14:05:48 <bwolfe> napi: and comment in each that you have the second application in
14:05:54 <napi> hmm true
14:06:28 <napi> I should probably track down Phillipe Ombredanne first
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14:44:50 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3730]: api-refactoring: Privilege constants for ProgramWorkflowService <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3730> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3729]: api-refactoring: Privilege constants for ProgramWorkflowService <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3729> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3728]: api-refactoring: Fix missing semicolon in mysql diff script <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3728> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3727]: -- chica * cleaned up psf_statistics and added pws_statistics * added … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3727> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3726]: -- dss * fix classpath building code <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3726> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3725]: -- sockethl7listener * added a global property so the port to listen on … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3725> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3724]: -- sockethl7listener * fixed package references in build.xml <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3724> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3723]: -- chica * added better error handling for rules <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3723> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3722]: -- atd * added better error handling to rules <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3722> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3721]: Adding authorized tags to AdministrationService and fixing some junit … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3721> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3720]: data_synchronization_bidirectional branch. merge cleanup. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3720> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3719]: in patientmatching module, slightly updated output xml to include all … <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3719> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3718]: data_synchronization_bidirectional branch. merge cleanup. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3718> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3717]: data_synchronization_bidirectional branch. merge cleanup. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3717>
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15:03:15 <napi> righty
15:03:22 <bwolfe> lefty
15:03:31 <napi> what sort of plugins do eclipse do you need
15:03:37 <napi> hibernate, xml editor, java, jsp, xsd
15:03:54 <bwolfe> um, sure
15:03:55 <bwolfe> sprign?
15:03:57 <bwolfe> spring
15:04:16 <napi> (building initial list for prepackaed openmrs development studio)
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15:04:53 <napi> r0bby, ping?
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15:34:35 <bmckown_> djazayeri: I have been coersed to write a junit test on the bug.
15:34:41 <bmckown_> The problem is in the HQL
15:36:18 <bmckown_> 'coerced' I meant.
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15:37:16 <djazayeri> hmm, okay, it looked fine to me when i skimmed
15:37:44 <bmckown_> For some reason in the JUnit test if you void all relationships...
15:38:22 <bmckown_> and then call getRelationships(PersonA, false) and getRelationships(PersonB, false)
15:38:25 <bmckown_> they are not equal
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15:49:34 <Wiss> hi do you know when could Burke Mamlin or Ben Wolfe connected to this irc ? It's about an interesting project for GSoC :)
15:50:45 <bmckown_> Wiss: bwolfe just left a half hour ago. You could try catching them tomorrow between EST 8 a.m. and 5 p.m.
15:50:58 <bmckown_> Is there anything I can help with?
15:51:03 <Wiss> ok thanks you :)
15:51:32 <r0bby> napi: pong
15:51:51 <Wiss> I search a project for GSoC, and your proposal subject called "Patient Portrait Support" is really interesting :)
15:51:52 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3731]: xformsorbeon module: adding easy to configure form id <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3731>
15:51:53 <napi> you using eclipse yeah?
15:52:01 <r0bby> Wiss: also talk to docpaul as well
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15:52:11 <r0bby> burke/docpaul founded this beast :)
15:52:24 <Wiss> ok thanks r0bby :)
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15:54:52 <r0bby> bmckown: don't hurt me, I only killed those people because they looked at me funny
15:55:05 * r0bby giggles
15:55:18 <r0bby> My books shall be here on monday along w/ my new monitor
15:55:21 * r0bby dances
15:55:25 <bmckown> There is a lot of recent documentation on our wiki regarding UI Refactoring. Part of it is the Patient Portrait Support.
15:55:41 <bmckown> r0bby: bang.
15:55:48 <r0bby> aw damn
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15:59:47 <bmckown> Wiss: Do you have any questions regarding the Patient Portrait Support project. I (we) may be able to answer.
16:03:03 <Wiss> thanks for your help, bmckown :) I just read the Abstract and target, and find this subject really interesting... What are the supports to develop this ? (excuse me if I can find this answer somewhere, and I'll search more ;) )
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16:04:36 <Wiss> (sorry for my english's mistakes, I'm french)
16:04:42 <bmckown> The project will need to be a module. It will need to be able to upload images. It will need extension points in the web layer to render the picture on the patientDashboard and maybe other places...
16:05:16 <bmckown> Oh. I don't think we're too careful to be gramatically correct on irc.
16:05:27 <Wiss> lol ok
16:05:28 <pombreda> Wiss: french is good. so am i :-P
16:05:40 <Wiss> oh nice, pombreda :)
16:06:09 <bmckown> Hmm. I only speak English and Spanish.
16:06:26 <bmckown> French would be nice.
16:06:55 <Wiss> I think I can do this project... Do you think I can submit this on the GSoC Application, or it could be better if I wait bwolfe or docpaul to be sure they agree me ?
16:07:57 <napi> r0bby
16:08:05 <napi> when you started working on openmrs and got eclipse, what plugins did you install?
16:08:09 <bmckown> Yes. submit an app. It is good to include out how you plan to implement the project.
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16:08:49 <Wiss> oh... when we speak about the wolfe ^^
16:09:00 <bmckown> Ah, yes.
16:09:05 <bwolfe> what'd I miss?
16:09:19 <bwolfe> is bmckown badmouthing again?
16:09:25 <Wiss> Hello, I'm a student, interested by the project "Patient Portrait Support"
16:09:26 <bmckown> Wiss is interested in the Patient Portrait Support project.
16:09:33 <bmckown> bwolfe: bang.
16:09:41 <bwolfe> nice echo going on in here
16:09:44 <bwolfe> :-)
16:09:50 <bmckown> :-)
16:10:06 <bmckown> Wiss is French.
16:10:31 <Wiss> that's life :( lol
16:10:34 <bmckown> (and so is pombreda ) Hi, pombreda
16:10:36 <bwolfe> ha
16:10:42 <bmckown> French is good.
16:10:56 <pombreda> :-)
16:10:58 <bwolfe> what makes french good?
16:11:07 <pombreda> they do it better, so I heard
16:11:12 <pombreda> :-)
16:11:13 <djazayeri> bye all
16:11:18 <bmckown> by djazayeri
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16:13:24 <bmckown> Wiss: here is a good link on our wiki http://openmrs.org/wiki/OpenMRS_Technical_Overview
16:13:26 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jT5> (at openmrs.org)
16:14:11 <bmckown> general technical stuff
16:14:18 <Wiss> thanks for the link, bmckown ;)
16:14:24 <bmckown> sure
16:15:22 <r0bby> napi: I dont use eclipse
16:15:24 <bmckown> So what drew your attention to the Patient Portrait Support project, if I may ask?
16:15:29 <r0bby> and 2) i really haven't played with it yet
16:16:58 <r0bby> and napi if you try to import ALL of the modules there are at least 3 or 4 that failed to thcange the name of their project in the .project file hence creating like 3 or 4 of the "Basic Module" projects
16:17:13 <r0bby> s/thcange/change/
16:19:05 <Wiss> bwolfe : What are the skills recommended for the Patient Portrait Support project, in your opinion ?
16:19:10 <bwolfe> r0bby: which committers?
16:20:07 <bwolfe> r0bby: and thats a pretty poor reason to choose against eclipse
16:20:27 <bwolfe> Wiss: java, jsp, html
16:21:16 <r0bby> http://mybawx.org/web/doubleentryreconciliation-project-name-fix.patch
16:21:17 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jT-> (at mybawx.org)
16:21:20 <r0bby> that fixes one
16:21:32 <bwolfe> Wiss: as bmckown also asked, why that project in particular?
16:21:32 <r0bby> bwolfe: i chose against eclipse because i'm comfortable in my environment ;)
16:21:54 <Wiss> bwolfe : ok... I have a good level for webdevelopment with my 2 works experiences in this domain, and learned java this year, but not jsp
16:22:14 <bwolfe> r0bby: go ahead and create a ticket and attach patches for the 3-4 modules
16:22:16 <r0bby> bwolfe: patientsummary, and labentry are the other two that are not properly named
16:22:19 <bwolfe> assign me to it and I can do it
16:22:23 <r0bby> :)
16:22:42 <Wiss> lol in fact, at the beginning I wanted to do the "Genome Data Storage and Drug Resistance Prediction" project ^^
16:22:59 <Wiss> But after I saw that this project was assigned to someone
16:24:16 <Wiss> After reading the differents subjects and forget subjects which should be too difficult for me, I found that this project is nice and apparently feasable
16:24:29 <r0bby> fixed.
16:25:21 <Wiss> But like I said to pombreda, I have to read the FAQ and more about openMRS ;)
16:25:43 <Wiss> I think that I can do this project, just have to learn jsp
16:26:06 <Wiss> What do you think about it ? :)
16:26:39 <bwolfe> I think its a crowded field to apply for
16:28:51 <bwolfe> every other student that comes in here wants to do that one. :-/
16:29:04 <Wiss> lol I understand... That's why I search to have more informations, and give you more informations about me
16:29:11 <Wiss> loool
16:29:43 <Keelhaul> "Genome Data Storage and Drug Resistance Prediction" =o
16:29:56 <Keelhaul> dont you need comprehensive medical knowledge to do that
16:30:06 <Keelhaul> at least the actual data
16:30:39 <Keelhaul> well no, you need some knowledge to do the basic design too
16:31:20 <r0bby> Keelhaul: psst
16:31:25 <r0bby> you have doctors mentoring you ;)
16:32:04 <Wiss> hum... I did a french bac S specialty biology-ecology and had some courses about that
16:32:07 <Keelhaul> i think you actually need a specialist
16:32:11 <Keelhaul> not any doc
16:32:34 <bwolfe> I think seebregts has his phd in it
16:33:39 <r0bby> http://mybawx.org/web/doubleentryreconciliation-project-name-fix.patch
16:33:39 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jT-> (at mybawx.org)
16:34:14 <r0bby> http://mybawx.org/web/labEntryModuleProjectFix.diff and http://mybawx.org/web/patientSummaryModuleProjectNameFix.diff
16:34:15 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jTc> (at mybawx.org)
16:34:31 <r0bby> bwolfe: doesn't seem to be a box to upload patches for some reason :|
16:34:37 <r0bby> or at least im not seeing it
16:34:40 <r0bby> :(
16:34:44 <bwolfe> ah, one sec
16:34:47 <bwolfe> whats your username?
16:35:44 <r0bby> r0bby
16:36:03 <bwolfe> r0bby: ok, now you should be able to
16:36:10 <bwolfe> you might have to attach after creating the ticket
16:36:35 <r0bby> ok
16:39:23 <r0bby> there's a double attachment of ironically doubleentryreconcilaiation module fix
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16:39:46 <bwolfe> nice
16:39:50 <bwolfe> I have to run
16:40:01 <bwolfe> bug jmiranda with your questions now :-)
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16:41:24 <r0bby> jmiranda: ticket 658
16:41:51 <r0bby> fixes the project name of 3 of the modules
16:46:16 <r0bby> !rss
16:46:16 <OpenMRSBot> r0bby: (rss <url> [<number of headlines>]) -- Gets the title components of the given RSS feed. If <number of headlines> is given, return only that many headlines.
16:51:47 <jmiranda> r0bby: thanks for the patches
16:53:06 <r0bby> and the modules isn't why i dont use eclipse; i dont use eclipse because i like IDEA better =)
16:53:30 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #658 (enhancement created): project name fixes <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/658> || Burke Mamlin: Dont forget the first word in open source <http://burkeware.com/blog/archives/13>
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16:55:18 <Wiss> pombreda : What are the skills required before begin the "Prepackaged OpenMRS Development Studio" ?
17:00:44 <jmiranda> Wiss: it's going to be an eclipse plugin
17:01:04 <Wiss> yes I know :)
17:01:08 <jmiranda> that will allow developers to quickly get a module up and running
17:01:19 <jmiranda> (sorry wasn't sure what you knew)
17:01:27 <Wiss> excuse me ^^
17:01:42 <Wiss> I spoke a little with philippe before
17:01:52 <jmiranda> so, i'm guessing java, spring, hibernate, pdt, and familiarity with how the modules are structured
17:01:58 <Wiss> and read the meaning of the project
17:02:05 <Wiss> ok
17:02:10 <Wiss> thanks for the answer :)
17:02:16 <jmiranda> no worries
17:02:34 <jmiranda> i'll let philippe take over :)
17:02:45 <Wiss> I just know java :(
17:03:28 <jmiranda> the tough part will definitely be the eclipse plugin part
17:04:27 <jmiranda> the spring, hibernate, etc issues won't require too much in-depth knowledge of those technologies
17:04:51 <Wiss> oh ok, so I could learn this before start the project
17:04:56 <jmiranda> just an understanding of how their config files are structured
17:05:33 <Wiss> ok... I'll probably work more than 40 hours per week, but it's an adventure :D
17:07:38 <Wiss> I go create accounts on the wiki, forum and trac :)
17:07:50 <jmiranda> good luck
17:08:09 <Wiss> lol thanks ^^
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17:09:04 <r0bby> Wiss: keep in mind the purpose of summer of code is to learn
17:09:37 <nribeka> hi all
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17:09:44 <nribeka> hi robby
17:10:14 <Wiss> Yes, that's the first interest I found in GSoC :)
17:11:10 <r0bby> hey nribeka
17:11:42 <nribeka> i submit my proposal haha ...
17:12:28 <nribeka> i also wrote about gsoc but it's in indonesia hehe ...
17:12:39 <nribeka> just trying to attract some of my friend to join :D
17:13:06 <Wiss> Yes I try the same thing lol
17:14:00 <nribeka> hi wiss
17:14:04 <nribeka> :-)
17:14:15 <Wiss> hi nribeka :)
17:14:23 <Wiss> What's your proposal ?
17:14:40 <r0bby> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-angry-squirrel-leaves-screaming.jpg
17:14:41 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jUD> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)
17:14:53 <r0bby> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-angry-squirrel-leaves-screaming.jpg
17:14:53 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jUD> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)
17:15:30 <r0bby> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-lolcat-office-assistant1.jpg
17:15:31 <bmckown> bwolfe_away criticizes bmckown's JUnit test.
17:15:31 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jUF> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)
17:16:15 <nribeka> mine is about the auto update
17:16:18 <r0bby> bmckown: where are extensions defined?
17:16:27 <Wiss> ok
17:16:31 <r0bby> nvm found it
17:16:33 <nribeka> wiss: your is?
17:16:49 <r0bby> :D
17:17:05 <pombreda> jmiranda: hey
17:17:06 <Wiss> I want to do the Prepackaged OpenMRS Development Studio project
17:17:07 <r0bby> I could prolly bullshit my way through the AOP portions
17:17:13 <bmckown> r0bby: in the config.xml file of a module
17:17:16 <r0bby> just believe in the black magic that is Spring :)
17:17:16 <pombreda> jmiranda: nice to see you albeit so briefly at eclipsecon
17:17:19 <r0bby> bmckown: noo
17:17:26 <r0bby> i wanted see what extension points were available
17:17:28 <r0bby> I found it
17:17:33 <bmckown> okay
17:17:37 <r0bby> in the web/ directory
17:17:43 <Wiss> pombreda : you come back :)
17:17:47 <r0bby> =)
17:17:51 <pombreda> yes
17:17:54 <pombreda> Wiss: re
17:18:12 <r0bby> bmckown: By the way, i plan on sticking around; if you wanna get rid of me you're gonna have to kill me :P
17:18:38 <bmckown> r0bby: bang.
17:19:31 <Wiss> pombreda : jmiranda gave me some informations about this project... I just know java, but really interested to learn spring, hibernate, pdt, and be familiarite with how the modules are structured
17:22:00 <Wiss> pombreda : I created my account on wiki, forum and track, and I'll submit soon this project on the GSoC... Hope you agree me :)
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17:25:35 <r0bby> bmckown: is my hyperness annoying :X
17:25:56 <bmckown> hey, we like energy and excitement.
17:26:25 <bmckown> :O
17:27:37 <pombreda> :-)
17:27:56 <bmckown> :-)
17:28:54 <r0bby> heh yeh
17:29:10 <r0bby> Ultimately, i'd like to come onboard as a full blown developer
17:29:45 <bmckown> That would be great.
17:33:58 <napi> grr
17:34:14 <napi> why is it whenever i pick a project that hasn't had much attention, some one else turns up and wants to do it! :(
17:34:26 * napi pokes Wiss with a sharp fork
17:34:31 <napi> :p
17:37:25 <jmiranda> good night y'all
17:37:32 <bmckown> by jmiranda
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17:38:24 <bmckown> Okay. I'm out. r0bby: bang.
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17:39:30 <napi> eclipsecon lol
17:39:36 * napi adds to favourite words
17:43:40 <Wiss> erf
17:44:41 <Wiss> I have got projects on local in my computer (web development), but it's not host in internet, or just use in intranet :/
17:45:26 <Wiss> I can send you my projects on a email address, but I can't provide link in my description on GSoC application
17:45:37 <Wiss> What do you advise me to do ?
17:47:18 <napi> Wiss; you can either find a free host, or email them to them
17:47:23 <napi> I could host them for you if you want
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17:48:22 <Wiss> ok if you have the time :)
17:48:28 <napi> yeah is no problem
17:48:32 <Wiss> what's your email ?
17:48:37 <napi> mattshanks86@gmail.com
17:48:41 <Wiss> thanks
17:48:43 <napi> no problem
17:48:58 <napi> pff. get me... helping out the competition ¬.¬
17:49:09 <r0bby> holy crap
17:49:18 <r0bby> TWO of my blog posts got picked up dzone
17:53:21 <Wiss> napi : I sent you the projects :)
17:55:34 <napi> cool
17:55:35 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #657 (defect closed): Unable to Remove Person Relations <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/657#comment:1>
17:55:38 <napi> will let you know when i've got them online
17:57:20 <Wiss> ok.. but I have to leave know... I'll connect in few hours .. Could you send me email ?
17:57:28 <Wiss> Really thanks for all, napi :)
17:57:50 <napi> no problem
17:58:05 <napi> do you want me to just upload the .zips? or unpack them and host the contents? (or both)
17:58:19 <Wiss> heu... like you want ^^
17:58:47 <Wiss> I have to go... At the next time all !
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18:11:19 <pombreda> napi: Wiss: this does not have to be competition.
18:11:43 <napi> hehe pombreda, wiss has gone, but I know :p
18:11:51 <pombreda> napi: there is enough meat in this project to keep tow steundets busy for 3 months
18:11:54 <napi> Think I've shown good faith by hosting his projects for him :)
18:12:10 <napi> oh believe me I know
18:12:22 <pombreda> in anycase , I would be fine if other openmrs dudes are fine to ahve more than one student.
18:12:27 <pombreda> the could be split nicely.
18:12:39 <pombreda> *the work
18:13:07 <nribeka> i hope google can fund all students here :-)
18:13:20 <napi> same :)
18:13:41 <nribeka> that'll be good for everyone :)
18:13:53 <r0bby> wow
18:13:54 <nribeka> napi: have you submit your proposal?
18:13:55 <pombreda> they oviously cannot
18:14:11 <pombreda> but one advice is that a decently written adn articulated proposal has alwys good cahnces
18:14:32 <pombreda> (spell checking helps too. do not write like me)
18:14:35 <pombreda> :-D
18:14:52 <napi> nribeka not yet - making finishing touches + proof reading it at the moment
18:15:00 <pombreda> you could not imagine how naive and content-free some prposal can be
18:15:01 <napi> lol pombreda
18:15:20 <pombreda> like " I want to help the project"
18:15:21 <nribeka> hehe ... yeah, for non native like me, spell check is a must :)
18:15:30 <pombreda> I have seen proposals as deep as that
18:16:18 <nribeka> pombreda: you're not native?
18:16:36 <pombreda> what do you mean by native?
18:16:40 <pombreda> native amrican?
18:16:44 <pombreda> native-french?
18:16:49 <pombreda> amercian idian?
18:16:53 <pombreda> *indian
18:17:02 <pombreda> I am a french native
18:17:09 <pombreda> living in the us
18:17:16 <nribeka> sorry, i mean native english speaker
18:17:19 <nribeka> :)
18:17:21 <pombreda> nah
18:17:41 <pombreda> I am fluent though
18:17:47 <pombreda> as much as can one be
18:17:57 <pombreda> but I type like a pig
18:18:03 <nribeka> me too. finding hard to write
18:18:08 <pombreda> may be some rampant dyslexia?
18:18:24 <nribeka> yah, me too. writing is much harder than talking :)
18:18:26 <pombreda> bbl
18:18:32 <nribeka> ok
18:25:44 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3732]: Fixed bug from ticket #657 and added JUnit test. <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3732>
18:31:51 <napi> writing always is
18:32:03 <napi> bring on the day no one ever needs to write anything- all done by speech ^^
18:32:32 <napi> "computer, write the code for a news feed for my website" "Ok matt. I'll send up the coffee-bot while you wait shall I?" "yes.. and bring more sugar this time!"
18:32:35 <napi> aaah that'll be the day
18:35:47 <nribeka> haha ...
18:38:57 <r0bby> pombreda: french?!?!
18:39:00 * r0bby runs
18:39:17 <pombreda> r0bby: yep :-)
18:39:45 <r0bby> I'm gonna opt to shut up now as anything i say will just piss you off :P
18:39:51 <napi> mmmmmmmmm
18:39:58 <napi> module creation wizard... what can it do ¬.¬
18:40:10 <napi> directory structure, documentation on directories + features
18:40:32 <napi> example of module creation for something simple (like patient reaction to drugs)
18:40:42 <napi> (covers forms and text input)
18:40:50 <pombreda> r0bby: I am very hard to piss off. I could probably be your father :-D
18:40:52 <napi> needs something to cover image usage
18:41:17 <nribeka> napi: auto form generation base on database structure :-)
18:41:34 <pombreda> napi: a good example of a sophisticated wizard would be the new plugin wizard
18:41:43 <r0bby> pombreda: OH NO YOU DIDNT!
18:42:12 <pombreda> napi: and in the end having a form based editor for the xml configurations files such the pde manifest editor
18:42:25 <pombreda> r0bby: who knows :-)
18:43:23 <pombreda> :-)
18:44:09 <r0bby> napi: here's an idea: 1) create a module with the given name 2) select the extension points 3) create the project, using the basicmodule as a template
18:44:18 <r0bby> putting all relevent jars in the classpath
18:44:23 <napi> aye
18:44:40 <r0bby> like i see perhaps using checkboxes or a dropdown
18:44:42 <pombreda> napi: your best input will be actual openmrs developers for sure :-)
18:44:54 <r0bby> im just giving you ideas here
18:45:00 <napi> I know, but thats what I need :)
18:45:05 <r0bby> im slowly getting the hang og the AOP stuff
18:45:06 <pombreda> r0bby: which seems very good to me
18:45:17 <napi> Can't write a wizard for module creation until you know what developers want it to wizardise for them :p
18:45:35 <pombreda> btw how is aop implemente in openmrs? declartive on top of aspectj? or a some custom implementation?
18:45:38 <napi> r0bby you're the perfect person to ask really as you're relatively new to OpenMRS, so have the best perspective
18:47:12 <nribeka> i'm new too. i wanna learn more about spring hibernate and aop :-)
18:47:31 <nribeka> any recommendation on where to start?
18:47:57 <napi> google.com :p
18:48:53 * nribeka sweating ...
18:48:59 <r0bby> nribeka: we're all learning
18:49:15 <r0bby> napi: you need to understand how it's being used within openmrs
18:49:26 <r0bby> AOP seems to be a lot of black magic quite frankly
18:49:30 <r0bby> just like Spring's DI
18:49:45 <r0bby> DI/IoC i should say
18:52:18 <nribeka> i hope i can learn about it this summer. i only have one class on the summer.
18:52:32 <r0bby> I'm gonna have a ball
18:53:55 <r0bby> wow
18:53:58 <r0bby> I can do this
18:55:02 <napi> can't wait for summer
18:55:11 <napi> if I'm not doing gsoc, i'm travelling
18:55:22 <napi> if i am doing gsoc, thats all i got.. except for regular pub commitments :p
18:56:09 <napi> done. submitted
18:57:28 <nribeka> napi: great
18:57:42 <nribeka> my application status: available for review
18:58:53 <nribeka> summer: i only have one class and the class last for only 6 weeks. one class session per weeks.
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19:02:20 <napi> righty i'm off. dissertation then bed time
19:02:33 <napi> not around for a few days- off to visit the missus in cardiff. back sat/sun at some point
19:02:43 <napi> Enjoy the rest of your weeks :)
19:03:06 <nribeka> you too napi
19:03:23 <nribeka> have a great days out there :-)
19:04:03 <napi> I intend to. Only days off I get from work for next 3 months lol
19:04:47 <nribeka> haha lolz ..
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19:16:48 <r0bby> bwolfe: like mentioned before -- i added the bug to trac and assigned it to you
19:17:03 <bwolfe> yep, saw that, thanks
19:19:15 <r0bby> and i STRONGLY advise you put something up advising future module developers to change that
19:19:22 <r0bby> as to avoid this happening again
19:19:56 <r0bby> bwolfe: you write the Technical Overview for OpenMRS
19:19:59 <r0bby> ?
19:37:41 <r0bby> my browser has some crap encoding
19:38:09 <r0bby> http://mybawx.org/web/openmrsoverview.png
19:44:06 <bwolfe> r0bby: yeah, those are all over the wiki...I think it happened when we transferred to the new server :-/
19:44:17 <bwolfe> r0bby: luckily its a wiki and you can fix it as you find them ;-)
19:44:56 <r0bby> too lazy
19:45:00 <bwolfe> pombreda: our AOP is done using spring's cglib implementation. its all runtime. if we had used aspectj it would have required that aop was only at compile time
19:45:38 <bwolfe> r0bby: boo
19:45:44 <r0bby> spring is one of the containers that is powered by black magic i swear
19:46:28 <bwolfe> indeed
19:49:03 <r0bby> nobody is sure how it does what it does
19:49:16 <r0bby> and by that nature i think rod johnson is a witch
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19:59:05 <HongJun> bwolfe: I hava written an abstract of "Structured Numeric Support" for SoC application , would you please to help review it and give me your advices?
19:59:23 <bwolfe> sure
20:02:39 <r0bby> bwolfe: what does this mean "Available for Review" in respect to my soc app?
20:03:07 <bwolfe> I think it means its submitted successfully
20:03:33 <HongJun> bwOlfe: please chech your mail
20:04:31 <HongJun> rObby: you have done a successful application, could you send me a copy?
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20:08:45 <r0bby> HongJun: i basically answered the questions
20:08:57 <r0bby> then afterward any ideas that popped into my head i incl. as addtional comments
20:09:35 <chase> hi all
20:09:44 <HongJun> which project you will apply
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20:10:31 <r0bby> it's not listed
20:10:49 <r0bby> but if you stick around you can pretty much figure it out :>
20:10:50 <HongJun> you are great
20:11:14 <r0bby> I only applied because docpaul/burke persuaded me to
20:11:23 <r0bby> I was gonna just work for free
20:12:39 <chase> anyone ever seen "Undeclared XSD type " when trying to design a xsn?
20:12:39 <HongJun> rObby, aren't you a student
20:12:45 <r0bby> I am
20:12:56 <r0bby> but i had taken a semester off so my status as a student was in limbo
20:13:08 <r0bby> i had to reapply for readmission (community colleges are so retarded)
20:13:30 <bwolfe> chase: thats an odd one
20:13:36 <bwolfe> chase: is there anything on the wiki about it?
20:13:48 <chase> i've searched; haven't found anything
20:13:58 <chase> i don't think i am doing it correctly
20:14:07 <chase> this is the first form i've tried to design
20:14:28 <chase> steps i've taken to get to this xsn:
20:14:34 <chase> duplicate basic form
20:14:45 <chase> design schema -> add patient age field
20:14:50 <chase> download xsn
20:14:58 <chase> and then when i try to "design" i get that error
20:15:16 <bwolfe> hmm
20:15:26 <bwolfe> what version of the formentry module are you using?
20:15:39 <chase> checking...
20:15:46 <bwolfe> have you modified anything else in your concept dictionary?
20:15:57 <bwolfe> (or are you using the one it ships with)
20:16:27 <chase> i'm using the demo server
20:16:32 <chase> demo.openmrs.org
20:16:36 <chase> formentry 2.9
20:16:52 <bwolfe> ah, could be an error on its part then
20:17:12 <Keelhaul> oh speaking of formentry
20:17:13 <bwolfe> I haven't tested the demo server's ability to make xsns
20:17:17 <Keelhaul> i still get no forms listed =/
20:17:22 <chase> ::sigh:: don't want to set up OpenMRS on my windows partition just for infopath lol
20:17:31 <bwolfe> chase: can you create a ticket for it in trac for me?
20:17:33 <Keelhaul> on the dashboard
20:17:52 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: are you logged in as the super user?
20:17:54 <chase> bwolfe: sure; did my modus operandi for getting to the xsn look correct?
20:18:00 <bwolfe> chase: yeah
20:18:08 <Keelhaul> bwolfe: i tried super user and a provider
20:18:14 <bwolfe> chase: as long as you added that field in the OBS section
20:18:17 <Keelhaul> forms were published too
20:18:37 <chase> bwolfe: i added that field in the patient section
20:19:11 <bwolfe> chase: hmm, ok, should be fine on that one then
20:19:24 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: and unvoided?
20:19:29 <bwolfe> brb
20:19:43 <Keelhaul> yes
20:19:57 <Keelhaul> openmrs build is from hmm
20:20:03 <Keelhaul> few weeks ago
20:20:05 <Keelhaul> 1.2.something
20:20:09 <Keelhaul> from trunk
20:23:57 <r0bby> bwolfe: could you explain what Cohorts are
20:25:09 <chase> r0bby: i think they are just groups of patients
20:26:36 <napi> group of subjects with a common defining characteristic (ie, they all have asthma)
20:28:43 <bwolfe> yes and yes
20:28:56 <bwolfe> chase: whats your story?
20:29:23 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: I don't know why they wouldn't be showing up. were they working before and suddenly they weren't...or did they never work?
20:29:24 <chase> bwolfe: just started w/ pih
20:29:29 <chase> bwolfe: headed to rwanda next week
20:29:39 <Keelhaul> bwolfe: not on this installation
20:29:46 <bwolfe> chase: wow, trial by fire
20:29:48 <Keelhaul> they worked before back when i tried on openmrs 1.1
20:29:54 <Keelhaul> and older formentry
20:29:57 <bwolfe> chase: although, I think jmiranda started just like that :-)
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20:30:08 <bwolfe> chase: are you going to be based in rwanda, or is this just short stint?
20:30:19 <chase> bwolfe: based in rwanda
20:30:33 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: and no errors in your log about it?
20:30:37 <chase> bwolfe: the idea is to be a replacement for christian; though christian is pretty irreplaceable
20:30:45 <bwolfe> chase: haha, yes, big shoes to fill
20:30:45 <Keelhaul> i havent checked =o
20:30:52 <Keelhaul> what log
20:30:55 <Keelhaul> formentry's?
20:31:01 <bwolfe> chase: is christian planning on staying in the US then?
20:31:02 <bwolfe> Keelhaul: tomcat's log
20:31:05 <Keelhaul> oh
20:31:18 <chase> bwolfe: christian will be in rwanda w/ me for about a month, then he is heading back to us
20:31:44 <bwolfe> chase: interesting
20:31:49 <bwolfe> when do you leave for rwanda?
20:31:58 <chase> april 2nd
20:32:10 <chase> 1 week from now
20:32:17 <bwolfe> wow...and he leaves at the same time?
20:32:29 <chase> he leaves a day or two earlier
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20:33:30 <chase> i created a ticket; not sure i CC'ed you correctly though (used your email address instead of user name)
20:33:49 <bwolfe> oh man, that means christian will probably still be over there when we have our doc-u-thon
20:33:56 <bwolfe> boo
20:34:00 <chase> doc-u-thon?
20:34:07 <bwolfe> chase: use aliases
20:34:16 <bwolfe> chase: now I have to go and fix it in the db :-/
20:34:23 <chase> doh; sorry
20:34:30 <bwolfe> yeah, we're going to have a documentation sprint
20:34:37 <bwolfe> or at going to try and have one :-p
20:34:43 <chase> sweet
20:34:56 <bwolfe> pearlbear here is going to make sure we actually get some stuff done
20:35:13 <chase> it's a bit daunting to master OpenMRS through and through in a week; more documentation can always help =)
20:35:39 <bwolfe> chase: indeed
20:35:48 <bwolfe> looks like you're doing a pretty good job though
20:36:07 <chase> thanks; the documentation as it is is already very good
20:36:31 <chase> i managed to get a server running in < half an hour just by following the step by step directions
20:36:58 <chase> and having apt-get haha
20:37:04 * chase cheers for apt-get!
20:38:31 <r0bby> something locked my system up
20:38:36 <r0bby> I blame openmrs.
20:39:28 <bwolfe> r0bby: could be tomcat...if you reload openmrs 4-5 times tomcat runs out of memory and spins
20:39:35 <bwolfe> you're need to kill the tomcat/java process
20:40:13 <chase> bwolfe: know why java keeps running after tomcat is killed?
20:40:48 <bwolfe> another java process?
20:40:51 <bwolfe> how'd you kill tomcat?
20:40:57 <bwolfe> how'd you start tomcat?
20:41:11 <chase> bwolfe: whenever i run tomcat and it fails before the server starts, the java process sticks around
20:41:54 <bwolfe> because tomcat has started...openmrs just didn't start
20:42:02 <chase> i always start it w/ cd $CATALINA_HOME ; ./bin/startup.sh
20:42:31 <chase> even after you do ./bin/shutdown.sh
20:42:35 <chase> the java process sticks
20:42:42 <chase> it's quite annoying actually lol
20:44:34 <bwolfe> hmm, not sure why it would
20:44:42 <bwolfe> perhaps its failing during shutdown too?
20:44:51 <bwolfe> anything in the tomcat logs when you do that?
20:45:06 <chase> yeah; can't bind 8080 on shutdown... which makes sense, since it didn't start
20:46:47 <r0bby> bwolfe: would have been able to had my system not been totally dead
20:47:14 <bwolfe> chase: I always just kill the tomcat process
20:47:46 <chase> kill -9?
20:47:50 <bwolfe> actually, I just use "tomcat run" in a terminal while developing and just close the terminal when done :-)
20:48:33 <r0bby> i keep tomcat running :)
20:48:44 <chase> "tomcat run"?
20:48:55 <r0bby> chase: ant target in openmrs
20:48:59 <bwolfe> r0bby: when on windows I would keep the task manager open all of the time so I could kill the tomcat process easier. ...in ubuntu, the system monitor uses up too much cpu to leave open, so I use the "tomcat run" in a temrinal trick I just told chase
20:49:25 <r0bby> shrug
20:49:54 <bwolfe> chase/r0bby : no, "tomcat run" is the command I run
20:50:24 <r0bby> heh
20:50:39 <chase> i didn't realize tomcat had a "run" option
20:50:49 <r0bby> $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh
20:50:51 <r0bby> :>
20:50:52 <bwolfe> run just means leave it in the terminal
20:50:59 <bwolfe> "start" runs it in a new process
20:51:09 <chase> cool
20:51:13 <r0bby> cool
20:51:15 <chase> good to know
20:51:34 <bwolfe> for anyone who cares, I'm restarting apache on openmrs now
20:51:43 <bwolfe> finish your wiki edits now :-)
20:51:51 * bwolfe looks at r0bby
20:52:00 <pearlbear> and there is a shutdown script too
20:52:06 <r0bby> bwolfe
20:52:13 <r0bby> i already told you im too lazy
20:52:23 <r0bby> if somebody wants to do it
20:52:25 <r0bby> GREAT
20:52:27 <bwolfe> r0bby: that kind of attitude won't get you accepted into gsoc :-/
20:52:34 <r0bby> bwolfe: eh
20:52:41 <r0bby> I just dont wanna do wiki edits!
20:52:50 <bwolfe> hey there michelle
20:52:53 <r0bby> I wanna do openmrs coding!
20:52:56 <pearlbear> hi bwolfe
20:53:11 <bwolfe> r0bby: wiki edits come along with the coding
20:53:17 <r0bby> I know :/
20:53:18 <bwolfe> (unfortunately)
20:53:20 * pearlbear whips r0bby with a wet noodle
20:53:24 <r0bby> OH BABY
20:53:34 <r0bby> that's almost motivation to be lazy :P
20:53:37 <pearlbear> and whispers "wiki edit ... wiki edit.."
20:53:44 <bwolfe> r0bby: oh man, that was wrong on so many levels
20:53:46 * nribeka watching the people abusing robby lolz ...
20:53:54 <r0bby> bwolfe: i know :P
20:54:10 <r0bby> why do you think i said it
20:54:11 <bwolfe> r0bby--
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20:54:26 <bwolfe> I don't know why you say most things r0bby
20:54:36 <r0bby> hey docpaul :)
20:54:42 <r0bby> bwolfe--
20:54:43 <r0bby> :>
20:54:48 <r0bby> it's war now
20:54:49 <docpaul> hi. :)
20:55:12 <r0bby> OH
20:55:12 * chase tips his hat to docpaul in greeting.
20:55:30 <pearlbear> hi docpaul
20:55:34 <docpaul> heya chase... how's the time in boston been?
20:55:34 <r0bby> i think i just saw a blog post useful to us docpaul
20:55:38 <docpaul> heya michelle! :)
20:55:49 <docpaul> r0bby: oh yeah?
20:55:54 <chase> amazing
20:55:57 * chase hearts PIH.
20:56:04 <docpaul> neat environment eh?
20:56:14 <chase> it is
20:56:27 <chase> i'm crashing w/ hamish
20:56:30 <bwolfe> "neat" can mean so many things :-)
20:56:39 <docpaul> oh good.. he and i spoke for some time today
20:56:51 <r0bby> forget it paul
20:57:06 <docpaul> is he already sleeping?
20:57:19 <chase> he's on the phone (not sure w/ whom)
20:57:40 <docpaul> were my descriptions reasonably accurate? :)
20:57:44 <pearlbear> chase: PIH?
20:57:56 <chase> pearlbear, docpaul: nod
20:58:16 <bwolfe> well shoot, restarting apache again
20:58:29 <chase> pearlbear: what's your story?
20:58:47 <chase> are you at RI?
20:59:22 <pearlbear> nope. Short story: long time open source advocate, former web app programmer, recruited to facilitate the openMRS documentation effort
20:59:27 <chase> docpaul: all the descriptions have been accurate; except i haven't met justin
20:59:59 <chase> pearlbear: yay documentation
21:00:05 <docpaul> chase: :)
21:00:05 <r0bby> bwolfe: dont say i didnt do anythinbg
21:00:16 <r0bby> I just edited the Spring DI/AOP part
21:00:43 <chase> pearlbear: where are you based out of?
21:01:02 <pearlbear> I live in a small town in Western Massachusetts, called Shelburne Falls.
21:01:04 <bwolfe> r0bby: nice
21:01:08 <pearlbear> I doubt you've heard of it.
21:01:14 <pearlbear> :-)
21:01:29 <chase> haha i know nothing about NE
21:01:38 <chase> this is my first time in new england actually
21:01:58 <chase> i think i've been to every state in the country, except a few in this area
21:01:58 <chase> and alaska
21:02:19 * r0bby lives in NY
21:02:50 <chase> i do like boston though
21:03:06 <pearlbear> I'm not much for cities, so I just visit them on occasion.
21:03:32 <chase> i prefer small towns/rural areas as well
21:04:11 <docpaul> indianapolis is a nice hybrid
21:04:16 <docpaul> just the right size
21:05:10 <r0bby> MORE COFFEE needed
21:05:49 <Keelhaul> rural usa D=
21:06:07 <chase> keelhaul: i don't grok that smiley
21:06:16 <Keelhaul> whats grok
21:06:40 <chase> keelhaul: understand
21:06:44 <Keelhaul> oh
21:06:53 <Keelhaul> turn your head to the right
21:07:02 <Keelhaul> thats like a disgusted face
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21:07:13 <Wiss> hi again all :)
21:07:16 <Keelhaul> hi
21:07:18 <docpaul> hello wiss. :)
21:07:21 <chase> well it seems like a disgusted face; but i was confused because rural america doesn't merit that emotion =)
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21:07:29 <Keelhaul> well
21:07:32 <Wiss> ha docpaul :)
21:07:36 <Keelhaul> you might as well be living down in jesusland
21:07:40 <Keelhaul> from what i heard
21:07:50 * chase is from Jesusland. Jesusland, GA
21:08:04 <Keelhaul> lol
21:08:46 <docpaul> have you actually been to rural usa? :)
21:09:05 <chase> try it before you hate it =)
21:09:15 <r0bby> is that Gee-zus or hay-zeus?
21:09:16 <Wiss> docpaul : I didn't speak with you, but with pombreda ! I have submited GSoC application for Prepackaged OpenMRS Development Studio project
21:09:25 <docpaul> wiss: wonderful.
21:09:40 <docpaul> what made you interested in this project?
21:09:56 <Keelhaul> docpaul: i've only been to boston
21:10:01 <r0bby> ConceptName newConceptName = new ConceptName("some name", "some locale");
21:10:05 <r0bby> is that write?
21:10:31 <chase> keelhaul: where are you from?
21:10:36 <Keelhaul> germany
21:11:17 <Wiss> I ever worked with easyEclipse, I know Java and after reading the abstract, I think it's a really interesting adventure :)
21:11:54 <chase> keelhaul: interesting... my only exposure to germany is the mass of german tourists in rome and florence
21:12:52 <Keelhaul> lol
21:12:55 <Keelhaul> i've been to florence
21:12:57 <Keelhaul> not rome
21:13:24 <chase> keelhaul: florence doesn't feel real. more tourists than actual residents
21:13:34 <HongJun> rome and florence are in Italy
21:13:45 <Keelhaul> heh
21:13:58 <Keelhaul> HongJun: no kidding =)
21:14:17 <docpaul> wiss: good deal
21:14:26 <docpaul> thanks for your interest!
21:14:45 <chase> how many GSoC'ers does openmrs take?
21:14:53 <Wiss> docpaul : thanks for your encouragement too :)
21:15:22 <docpaul> likely around a dozen
21:15:29 <chase> is it completely funded by google?
21:15:31 <docpaul> yes
21:15:36 <chase> wow
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21:15:57 <r0bby> chase: 4500 to student 500 to openmrs
21:16:04 <HongJun> wiss: you have completed your application?
21:16:15 <Wiss> Yes
21:16:30 <HongJun> wiss: could you send me a copy
21:16:52 <r0bby> bwolfe: this better get you to vote for me for gsoc
21:16:56 <r0bby> this is annoying
21:17:04 <Wiss> You're in the openmrs team, HongJun ?
21:17:23 <bwolfe> r0bby: are you still wiki editing? :-)
21:17:33 <HongJun> wiss: no, I also want to do SoC
21:17:33 * chase should have done a GSoC before graduating.
21:18:27 <HongJun> wiss: I want to have a refference, since it's my first time apply for SoC
21:18:44 <r0bby> yeh
21:18:55 <Wiss> HongJun : ok lol, It's my first time too, not sure to be a reference xD But if you want, I'll give you this
21:19:06 <r0bby> least im learning
21:19:21 <r0bby> but im likely not im scanning it looking for whacky encoding
21:19:30 <HongJun> Wiss: thank you, my email is hongjun.bj@gmail.com
21:19:53 <chase> just for that i'm going to go and add random korean characters to your wiki edits
21:19:54 <r0bby> http://openmrs.org/wiki/OpenMRS_Technical_Overview
21:19:54 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jT5> (at openmrs.org)
21:20:01 <r0bby> do any of you see whacky encoding?
21:20:06 <r0bby> should have gotten it all
21:20:36 <bwolfe> looks good
21:20:59 <r0bby> only thing i wasn't sure
21:21:00 <nribeka> robby: looks good too
21:21:14 <bwolfe> I'm assuming most were double quotes? I think I copied and pasted that doc from Word at one point...so it had those weird backslash double quotes
21:21:18 <r0bby> the ConceptName ctor is right?
21:21:22 <r0bby> takes two Strings?
21:21:29 <chase> in DI and AOP there are some random *'s
21:21:50 <Wiss> HongJun : The email has been sent :)
21:22:01 <bwolfe> r0bby: yeah, two strings I think
21:22:15 <r0bby> AOP page is fine
21:22:40 <r0bby> general over-view is good
21:22:47 <nribeka> chase: i think *Service = all class that end with Service, right?
21:23:00 <HongJun> wiss: thank you, is this the copy you submit to Google
21:23:01 <r0bby> nribeka: correct
21:23:13 <r0bby> chase: that's wildcard
21:23:20 <chase> haha ::slaps head:: should have at least read it before commenting
21:23:40 <chase> you'd think enough time on slashdot would instill an innate sense of RTFA
21:23:54 <r0bby> chase: or turn you into nevermind
21:24:29 <chase> i'm off; g'night all
21:24:36 <bwolfe> cya
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21:24:58 <Wiss> HongJun : yes
21:25:36 <r0bby> okay
21:25:38 <r0bby> yeh bwolfe
21:25:47 <r0bby> now i dont feel so useless
21:26:32 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #659 (defect created): XSN editing broken on demo server <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/659>
21:27:02 <HongJun> Wiss: you haven't give a description and plan of your project
21:27:56 <r0bby> LMFAO
21:27:59 <r0bby> http://openmrs.org/index.php?title=OpenMRS_Technical_Overview&action=history&feed=rss
21:28:01 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jXj> (at openmrs.org)
21:28:08 <r0bby> malformed XML :)
21:28:40 <Wiss> HongJun : Yes, I'll thinking about this tomorrow :/
21:28:41 <bwolfe> heh, because of those weird characters probably
21:28:54 <r0bby> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-watches-tv-bird.jpg
21:28:55 <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1jXk> (at icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com)
21:29:01 <r0bby> yeh
21:29:05 <r0bby> THAT i can't fix
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21:29:49 <HongJun> Wiss: does the plan needed to submit too
21:30:02 <r0bby> bwolfe: I'll get accepted into gsoc
21:30:07 <r0bby> if i don't mark my word
21:30:22 <r0bby> :P
21:30:34 * r0bby excited
21:30:52 <bwolfe> Wiss: added a comment to your application so you can edit your desc
21:31:17 <Wiss> HongJun : please ask this details to your future mentor lol, but I think yes
21:31:31 <Wiss> bwolfe : Ok, thanks for this advice :)
21:46:13 <bwolfe> ok, I'm out
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21:49:31 <Wiss> I go to bed. Good night all
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22:23:23 <r0bby> wow
22:23:28 <r0bby> I just found something *REALLY* cool
22:23:45 <r0bby> http://www.google.com/cse
22:26:51 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Tickets: Ticket #659 (defect closed): XSN editing broken on demo server <http://dev.openmrs.org/ticket/659#comment:2>
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22:58:51 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3735]: Fixing .project in patientsummary module - #658 by r0bby <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3735> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3734]: Fixing .project in labentry module - #658 by r0bby <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3734> || OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3733]: Fixing .project in doubleentryreconciliation - #658 by r0bby <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3733>
23:12:04 <r0bby> :>
23:20:38 <elad> r0bby you around?
23:27:47 <r0bby> elad: am
23:27:57 <r0bby> what's up elad
23:28:59 <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: OpenMRS Changesets: Changeset [3736]: xformsorbeon module: making progress on complete xform/xhtml file <http://dev.openmrs.org/changeset/3736>
23:30:09 <r0bby> ?
23:31:42 <elad> im trying to jar up my main in a project, but its saying fail to load main class manifest attribute
23:31:46 <elad> when i run it.
23:32:09 <r0bby> is this java or openmrs?
23:32:10 <elad> i figured idea would add a manifest, but i guess im wrong?
23:32:14 <elad> java
23:32:30 <r0bby> open up your jar in winzip or something
23:32:33 <r0bby> look at your manifest
23:33:14 <r0bby> since jars are zip files w/ a special structure