| 00:00:00 | <r0bby> who wrote this? |
| 00:00:16 | <docpaul> someone who programmed in .net about 6-9 months ago |
| 00:00:23 | <docpaul> er, c# |
| 00:01:16 | <r0bby> uhm |
| 00:01:22 | <r0bby> java.lang is imported for us... |
| 00:01:54 | <docpaul> do you enjoy reviewing and improving other people's code? |
| 00:02:37 | <r0bby> for one thing -- this is definitely antlrv2 |
| 00:03:49 | <r0bby> yeh it is antlrv2 |
| 00:04:17 | <r0bby> i dont know antlr well enough |
| 00:04:24 | <r0bby> :/ |
| 00:04:33 | <docpaul> pathetic. |
| 00:05:00 | <r0bby> dont make me kill you |
| 00:05:03 | <docpaul> hehe |
| 00:05:13 | <docpaul> you didnt answer my question |
| 00:06:13 | <burke> it would make sense, she was doing this work in 4/2006, before v3 existed |
| 00:06:22 | <r0bby> yeh :) |
| 00:06:28 | <r0bby> I'm just saying |
| 00:06:31 | <r0bby> I can tell |
| 00:07:31 | <r0bby> http://antlr.org/grammar/1152141644268/Java.g < java 1.5 grammar :) |
| 00:08:11 | <burke> cule |
| 00:08:40 | <burke> now I can finally see why my Java won't compile |
| 00:08:51 | <r0bby> sure :P |
| 00:08:55 | <r0bby> antlrworks is the shit |
| 00:09:26 | <r0bby> you can test a rule; see the resulting parser tree; even view the AST |
| 00:09:30 | <burke> it just looks too simple |
| 00:09:33 | <r0bby> s/parser/parse/ |
| 00:09:53 | <r0bby> it's not that hard |
| 00:10:07 | <burke> i would love to learn antlr grammars |
| 00:10:12 | <r0bby> colon starts the rule; |
| 00:10:26 | <r0bby> soo |
| 00:10:46 | <r0bby> FOO : foobar |
| 00:11:21 | <r0bby> FOO : 'foobar' |
| 00:11:28 | <catullus> primitiveType: 'boolean' |
| 00:11:37 | <r0bby> more or less yeh |
| 00:11:50 | <r0bby> it's not bad |
| 00:12:00 | <r0bby> there's another parser called jflex |
| 00:12:06 | <r0bby> but antlr is better suited |
| 00:12:21 | <burke> is whitespace ignored? or included in the grammar? |
| 00:12:30 | <catullus> antler: 'grammar' |
| 00:12:51 | <burke> i mean...not the ws in the grammar file... but the whitespace in java... does the grammar need to address it? |
| 00:13:22 | <r0bby> you have to tell it to ignore it |
| 00:13:43 | <r0bby> http://antlr.org/grammar/list |
| 00:13:45 | <r0bby> more grammars |
| 00:14:52 | <burke> hmmm... i haven't used "strictfp" methods before in java |
| 00:15:30 | <burke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strictfp |
| 00:15:41 | <burke> ya learn something new every day. :) |
| 00:16:14 | <r0bby> burke: nobody uses it |
| 00:16:31 | <burke> yeah. i see it's old. |
| 00:16:44 | <burke> so the { } stuff is java code that's setting state info? |
| 00:16:56 | <r0bby> where |
| 00:17:13 | <burke> like "{k=3;}" |
| 00:17:25 | <r0bby> no, those are antlr options |
| 00:17:35 | <r0bby> lookahead i think |
| 00:17:59 | <r0bby> \@lexer::members { protected boolean enumIsKeyword = true; protected boolean assertIsKeyword = true; |
| 00:18:02 | <r0bby> } |
| 00:18:03 | <r0bby> that is java code. |
| 00:18:14 | <r0bby> s/^\// |
| 00:18:38 | <burke> the blocks under assignmentOperator look like code |
| 00:19:03 | <r0bby> oh yes that's code |
| 00:19:18 | <r0bby> options { ... } isn't |
| 00:19:36 | <burke> cule |
| 00:20:18 | <burke> well...there are a couple places where we could use ANTLR or Groovy... |
| 00:20:26 | <burke> have you worked with Hibernate much? |
| 00:20:44 | <r0bby> groovy can be used to write a DSL (which is basically what you guys need |
| 00:20:51 | <burke> yup |
| 00:21:00 | <r0bby> as could ruby |
| 00:21:21 | <r0bby> VERY VERY minimally |
| 00:21:25 | <burke> or smalltalk...oops I'm old again |
| 00:21:34 | <r0bby> no =( it's on my list |
| 00:21:50 | <r0bby> once the syntax of lisp stops making me wanna vomit; i'll look at that too |
| 00:22:06 | <r0bby> too many parenthesis |
| 00:22:32 | <burke> actually, I think it is pronounced: parenthethith (in lithp, that is) |
| 00:22:49 | <r0bby> haha |
| 00:23:18 | <r0bby> I think i just got an idea... |
| 00:23:29 | * r0bby goes to write a blog post recruiting for OpenMRS |
| 00:23:47 | <r0bby> I know my blog is aggregated by the NY linux users group |
| 00:23:53 | <burke> cule |
| 00:24:00 | <r0bby> lord knows who else uses it |
| 00:24:43 | <catullus> "scheme takes all defun out of lisp" |
| 00:24:47 | <r0bby> .... |
| 00:24:54 | <r0bby> scheme is a fucking lisp dialect |
| 00:25:01 | <catullus> ...get it? |
| 00:25:11 | <catullus> all ... defun |
| 00:25:38 | <burke> arrrgh. |
| 00:26:16 | <burke> "!naorg".reverse() |
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| 00:26:44 | <catullus> =) |
| 00:27:19 | <r0bby> typing. |
| 00:27:26 | <r0bby> the blog post |
| 00:27:32 | <burke> alright kiddies...it's WAY passed my bedtime. c'ya later. look forward to chattin' some more. |
| 00:27:43 | <catullus> g'night; nice to electronically meet you |
| 00:27:49 | <burke> r0bby: don't hesitate to steal or point from/to here: http://openmrs.org/wiki/OpenMRS_Overview |
| 00:28:09 | <burke> yup. same to you. |
| 00:28:09 | <nribeka> night burke ... |
| 00:28:12 | <docpaul> night dude, i'm getting tired myself... happy to meet you chase |
| 00:28:27 | <docpaul> night rob and nri.. what's your first name? |
| 00:28:29 | <nribeka> still have to write BM25 with relevance feedback :( |
| 00:28:54 | <nribeka> nyoman, it's hard to pronounce hehe ... |
| 00:29:05 | <docpaul> nyoman, i'll remeber that |
| 00:29:06 | <catullus> more PL humor: beware! in C++ your friends can see your privates! |
| 00:29:12 | <docpaul> night nyoman... |
| 00:29:23 | <nribeka> night docpaul ... |
| 00:29:24 | <docpaul> chase, i hope to see you around here... |
| 00:29:32 | <catullus> i'll be around |
| 00:29:32 | <docpaul> get your pih partners to use irc. :) |
| 00:29:35 | <nribeka> its going to be a long night to me... |
| 00:29:38 | <catullus> i will haha |
| 00:31:17 | <nribeka> good night to you all and have a great weekend |
| 00:33:37 | <r0bby> http://robbyoconnor.blogspot.com/2008/03/wanna-make-some-money-while-making.html |
| 00:33:38 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iI:> (at robbyoconnor.blogspot.com) |
| 00:35:16 | <r0bby> :) |
| 00:35:22 | <r0bby> Hope my wording strikes a nerve |
| 00:35:24 | <catullus> nice.. i'll forward something similar to my stanford CS listservs |
| 00:39:37 | <nribeka> robby: it surely going to attract lots of people :-) |
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| 00:40:02 | <nribeka> especially your blog is read by lots of people :-) |
| 00:41:59 | <r0bby> I hope so |
| 00:43:29 | <catullus> g'night |
| 00:44:08 | <catullus> congratulations on reaching the weekend |
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| 00:45:01 | <r0bby> okay spammed java channels |
| 00:46:40 | <docpaul> heh, you rock r0bby. |
| 00:46:41 | <docpaul> thanks |
| 00:46:49 | <docpaul> i'm off to bed |
| 00:49:17 | <nribeka> good night docpaul |
| 01:00:24 | <r0bby> night docpaul. |
| 01:17:25 | <nribeka> robby are you still there? |
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| 01:52:34 | <r0bby> welp it aggregated |
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| 06:48:02 | <pygi> hey folks :) |
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| 11:39:53 | <r0bby> burke: hey |
| 11:42:09 | <burke> hey r0bby |
| 11:42:37 | <burke> thanks for the blog post, btw |
| 11:43:05 | <burke> gotta run. i should be back around later today. later. |
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| 12:42:45 | <r0bby> hai2u |
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| 14:04:50 | <sunbiz> nice changes to the project page |
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| 15:15:08 | <r0bby> hey ben |
| 15:15:12 | <r0bby> :x |
| 15:15:15 | <bwolfe> hey r0bby |
| 15:15:17 | <r0bby> yeh slowly learning names :P |
| 15:15:22 | <bwolfe> heh |
| 15:15:46 | <r0bby> I've got a blog posted promoting openmrs for soc if you wanna spam it feel free: http://robbyoconnor.blogspot.com/2008/03/wanna-make-some-money-while-making.html |
| 15:15:46 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iI:> (at robbyoconnor.blogspot.com) |
| 15:16:01 | <r0bby> already hit ##java, #java (efnet),#java (dalnet) and #java(undernet) |
| 15:16:03 | <bwolfe> well, a whois on my nick makes it easy for you :-) |
| 15:16:20 | <r0bby> that's work. |
| 15:16:20 | <bwolfe> r0bby: nice. :-) |
| 15:16:41 | <r0bby> I think i worded it in such a way it'll hit an emotional nerve |
| 15:17:02 | <r0bby> it came natural i think |
| 15:17:03 | <r0bby> :/ |
| 15:19:16 | <r0bby> brm |
| 15:19:28 | <r0bby> I wanna fiddle w/ properties in java (the prototype jdk) :X |
| 15:19:34 | <r0bby> it's a fork of openjdk |
| 15:19:41 | <r0bby> I've been playing with closures and such |
| 15:19:42 | <bwolfe> yeah, openmrs tends to naturally pull at people's heart strings |
| 15:19:58 | <r0bby> I was thinking about writing a wicket front-end for openmrs |
| 15:20:06 | <r0bby> it'd get rid of this jsp-hell |
| 15:20:08 | <bwolfe> I'm excited about the closures possibliites in java |
| 15:20:21 | <r0bby> bwolfe: FCM is icky syntax |
| 15:20:28 | <r0bby> it's a neat idea |
| 15:20:44 | <r0bby> CICE+ARM is handy eliminates the potential for resource leaks |
| 15:21:04 | <r0bby> try-catch-finally becomes a thing of the past (still need to handle unchecked exceptions) |
| 15:21:28 | <r0bby> BGGA is neat if you've coded in groovy at least a bit |
| 15:21:37 | <r0bby> it's VERY similar syntax |
| 15:22:26 | <r0bby> somehow I have no clue Gafter stumbled onto my blog :x and came to my rescue of how to do SwingUtilities.invokeLater() w/ BGGA |
| 15:22:43 | <r0bby> but it's all exciting |
| 15:22:56 | <r0bby> there's one proposal that i don't think will ever see the light of day |
| 15:24:50 | <r0bby> properties jdk compiling :D |
| 15:26:18 | <bwolfe> I don't know what you're referring to with new java properties. |
| 15:26:20 | <bwolfe> link? |
| 15:32:44 | <r0bby> bwolfe: you ever code in C# (I haven't; but they have this concept called 'properties' |
| 15:33:02 | <r0bby> I'm kinda iffy on it; most of my examples came by reading the proposals |
| 15:33:32 | <r0bby> here's the proposal for properties |
| 15:33:33 | <r0bby> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfhbvdfw_1f7mzf2 |
| 15:33:34 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iMM> (at docs.google.com) |
| 15:33:50 | <r0bby> this looks neat: http://freddy33.blogspot.com/search/label/abstract%20enum |
| 15:33:52 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iMN> (at freddy33.blogspot.com) |
| 15:33:54 | <bwolfe> I've done some c#.net...but only enough to fix a webapp for a company |
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| 15:34:11 | <r0bby> but yeh |
| 15:35:19 | <r0bby> http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfkvb9sc_0pcr8szdd |
| 15:35:20 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iMQ> (at docs.google.com) |
| 15:35:36 | <r0bby> there are *SO* many proposals out there |
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| 15:37:22 | <r0bby> nribeka: hey, what did you need last night? |
| 15:37:33 | <nribeka> hey robby |
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| 15:38:05 | <nribeka> nothing just checking whether you're still there or not hehe ... |
| 15:38:14 | <nribeka> so whats new today? |
| 15:39:41 | <r0bby> nuffin |
| 15:39:56 | <r0bby> playing with java properties prototype; just compiled it |
| 15:40:31 | <r0bby> this shit is seriously a distraction |
| 15:42:12 | <r0bby> basically -- i work from specifications |
| 15:42:44 | <nribeka> wow ... |
| 15:43:05 | <r0bby> it's not bad |
| 15:43:21 | <nribeka> been here for a few days and i feel i come from the stone age ... |
| 15:43:32 | <r0bby> nribeka: this is all new stuff |
| 15:43:44 | <r0bby> it MAY or may not make it into java 7 |
| 15:44:50 | <r0bby> nobody knows for sure; what IS known is that closures will be introduced in some form be it BGGA, CICE+ARM (Concise Instance Creation Expressions+Automatic Resource Management Blocks), or FCM (First-Class Methods) |
| 15:45:10 | <r0bby> BGGA isn't anything fancy; jsut the first letter of the last name of the peopke named on the proposal |
| 15:45:26 | <r0bby> CICE aims to make inner classes cleaner |
| 15:45:37 | <nribeka> haha ... they're all in your blog right |
| 15:45:40 | <r0bby> but it only works if the abstract class/interface has one and only one method |
| 15:45:46 | <r0bby> nribeka: pretty much yeh |
| 15:46:03 | <nribeka> i read them all and it makes me feel like i'm coming stone age haha ... |
| 15:46:16 | <nribeka> hope i can learn something from all of you guys :P |
| 15:46:44 | <r0bby> it's not that bad |
| 15:46:51 | <r0bby> i tried to explain em as clearly as i could |
| 15:47:00 | <r0bby> I'm learning them as i'm writing those |
| 15:47:14 | <r0bby> People are blogging left and right about this shit |
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| 15:50:50 | <nribeka> yeah, all of them are interesting |
| 15:51:48 | <sunbiz> hi guys... |
| 15:52:03 | <r0bby> hai2u |
| 15:52:14 | <r0bby> if anybody kicks me for that, mark my word! |
| 15:52:17 | <sunbiz> I was looking at the logs and found the discussion about closures |
| 15:52:20 | * r0bby shales fosy |
| 15:52:26 | <r0bby> << |
| 15:52:32 | * r0bby shakes fist* |
| 15:52:43 | <sunbiz> so..I thought I'd dump studying for sometime and get to the IRC |
| 15:52:43 | <r0bby> wait, there's a log |
| 15:52:54 | * r0bby hides all the drugs |
| 15:52:54 | <sunbiz> :)) |
| 15:53:11 | <sunbiz> obviously...thats why u were high!! |
| 15:53:28 | <sunbiz> everyone already knows...no point hiding them now!! |
| 15:53:56 | <r0bby> lol nah |
| 15:53:58 | <r0bby> I dont do drugs |
| 15:53:59 | <nribeka> so you don't realize that this conversation is taped? |
| 15:54:10 | <nribeka> haha lolz ... |
| 15:54:23 | <r0bby> please everything you say is logged to my HDD in log files rotated daily. |
| 15:54:24 | <sunbiz> everything in the world is tapped... CIA knows everything :)) |
| 15:55:00 | <r0bby> yup |
| 15:55:20 | <sunbiz> so r we already oving closures in openMRS ?? |
| 15:55:31 | <r0bby> just say "assassinate and president" and BAM the Secret Service is at your door. Oh shit, They're probably on their way |
| 15:55:39 | <r0bby> sunbiz: well maybe |
| 15:55:46 | <r0bby> if i can figure out how to integrate groovy |
| 15:55:53 | <sunbiz> wouldnt that make openMRS JDK7 only!! |
| 15:55:58 | <r0bby> I'd like to get grails integrated; but it's gonna be tricky |
| 15:56:08 | <r0bby> sunbiz: think again |
| 15:56:17 | <r0bby> jdk7 doesn't have closures in it yet\ |
| 15:56:21 | <sunbiz> grails... for what... Aint hibernate enough?? |
| 15:56:24 | <r0bby> there are prototypes |
| 15:56:31 | <sunbiz> yea...but it will in some form or the other... |
| 15:56:38 | <r0bby> sunbiz: grails is the groovy 'rail' type thing. |
| 15:56:46 | <r0bby> sunbiz: hopefully |
| 15:56:49 | <sunbiz> robby: yea...I know that |
| 15:56:50 | <r0bby> and groovy has closures |
| 15:57:29 | <r0bby> watch this: def foo = [3,'hey',3.4f,3G].each { println it; } |
| 15:57:40 | <r0bby> that is a concept called 'duck typing' |
| 15:58:00 | <r0bby> and foo is a List (ArrayList by default) |
| 15:58:12 | <r0bby> 3G is of type BigInteger |
| 15:58:12 | <sunbiz> Lisp would do it long back |
| 15:58:18 | <sunbiz> so...it aint groovy alone |
| 15:58:23 | <r0bby> no shit. |
| 15:58:39 | <r0bby> sunbiz: every language in existence was influenced by some language and the line goes back and back |
| 15:59:00 | <r0bby> Also, by the way == is turned into .equals() in groovy :) |
| 15:59:02 | <sunbiz> yea...but my qiestion... why groovy or grails ? |
| 15:59:09 | <r0bby> because it's cool :> |
| 15:59:13 | <sunbiz> yea...I lvoe Ruby !! |
| 15:59:18 | <sunbiz> *love |
| 15:59:26 | <r0bby> sunbiz: but groovy integrates best with java. |
| 15:59:34 | <r0bby> not much of a learning curge |
| 15:59:37 | <r0bby> curve* |
| 15:59:53 | <sunbiz> no... JRuby :(( ... |
| 15:59:53 | <r0bby> Ruby there is a bit of a learning curve (not much; but still a curve nonetheless) |
| 15:59:59 | <r0bby> JRuby *IS* Ruby |
| 16:00:10 | <r0bby> just running over the JVM |
| 16:00:11 | <sunbiz> yea...and it runs on the VM |
| 16:00:25 | <r0bby> your point? you still have to write valid ruby syntax. |
| 16:00:48 | <r0bby> WHOA docpaul didn't notice you here |
| 16:00:49 | <sunbiz> yea... but then my point is whats the prob with the current openMRS ?? |
| 16:00:57 | <r0bby> nothing |
| 16:01:00 | <r0bby> but it can be extended |
| 16:01:12 | <sunbiz> didn't some1 already say... "Dont mend if it aint broken" |
| 16:01:23 | <r0bby> that's not saying it can't be done... |
| 16:01:30 | <r0bby> or it wouldn't be a fun learning experience |
| 16:01:52 | <sunbiz> I got that...and hence I said Ruby is more fun |
| 16:02:28 | <r0bby> sunbiz: somebody already re-wrote openMRS using ruby on rails |
| 16:02:38 | <r0bby> i remember docpaul telling me about it |
| 16:02:45 | <r0bby> a few days ago as a matter of fact |
| 16:02:49 | <r0bby> couple? |
| 16:02:51 | <sunbiz> the whole things ?? |
| 16:03:08 | <r0bby> yeh |
| 16:03:17 | <r0bby> they kicked themselves for it |
| 16:03:37 | <sunbiz> :)) then shouldn't we be doing rails already!?? |
| 16:03:39 | <r0bby> grails has a problem because of the hibernate, aop, and all that jazz |
| 16:03:45 | <r0bby> sunbiz: nah |
| 16:03:59 | <sunbiz> why? |
| 16:05:35 | <sunbiz> robby: anyways...which one of the current impl for closures do you like?? |
| 16:06:00 | <r0bby> haven't decided. |
| 16:07:30 | <r0bby> FCM has clumsy/gross syntax; CICE is nice; BGGA is groovy-like and neat; I haven't really played w/ them to push the limits so to speak yet |
| 16:08:01 | <r0bby> but according the the CICE spec; it only works for interfaces/abstract classes w/ a single method |
| 16:08:13 | <sunbiz> I've been playing and following them due to a lot of my student doubts coming up |
| 16:08:38 | <sunbiz> and also because I talk about Ruby all the time |
| 16:08:59 | <r0bby> Don't paint yourself in a corner |
| 16:09:26 | <sunbiz> and till now I seem to like CICE the most, cause its more like-Java |
| 16:09:52 | <sunbiz> yea... FCM makes it look like another language after sometime |
| 16:09:55 | <r0bby> sunbiz: "more -like java" |
| 16:10:14 | <r0bby> dude -- BGGA/FCM will change the language ;) |
| 16:10:19 | <sunbiz> yeah...with CICE you can keep you designs with inner classes in your mind |
| 16:11:19 | <r0bby> button.addActionListener(new ActionListener(ActionEvent e) { System.out.println("Hai2u"); } }); |
| 16:11:20 | <sunbiz> I dont agree with BGGA changing the language though... |
| 16:11:28 | <r0bby> button.addActionListener(ActionListener(ActionEvent e) { System.out.println("Hai2u"); } }); |
| 16:11:31 | <r0bby> okay that's CICE |
| 16:11:59 | <sunbiz> yea |
| 16:13:18 | <r0bby> a proposal directly related to CICE is Automatic Resource Management Blocks do(r = new BufferedReader(new FileReader(new File("names.txt")))) { String line; while((line = r.readLine()) != null) { System.out.println(line); } |
| 16:13:28 | <r0bby> that's an Automatic Resource Management block |
| 16:14:02 | <r0bby> OH you have to handle IOException there. |
| 16:14:30 | <sunbiz> yea... checked exceptions |
| 16:14:32 | <r0bby> i missed it; but you can just put throws IOException in your method signature. |
| 16:15:06 | <r0bby> what ARM does is eliminate the need for a finally { try { r.close() } catch(IOException e) {} } |
| 16:15:47 | <sunbiz> Isn't that good... all the new lerners always complain about Java being verbose |
| 16:15:54 | <r0bby> yes. |
| 16:16:20 | <r0bby> there's a way to clean that finally block up by passing a Closable to a helper method and letting that method handle it |
| 16:17:06 | <r0bby> but yeh. |
| 16:17:19 | <r0bby> anyways i have to go -- shit to do; people to kill; etc etc |
| 16:17:50 | <sunbiz> yea...I'm off too... getting back to studying!! |
| 16:17:54 | <r0bby> I never understand WHY people said it was verbose til i touched groovy :) |
| 16:18:08 | <sunbiz> or Ruby... :)) |
| 16:18:10 | <r0bby> Molesting groovy was the best thing ever. It touched me in ways you'll know |
| 16:18:13 | <r0bby> never know* |
| 16:18:39 | <sunbiz> and I've seen 4th graders create blogs in Ruby in less than a week |
| 16:19:05 | <r0bby> gravl |
| 16:19:11 | <r0bby> groovyblogs |
| 16:19:25 | <r0bby> ^^ grails blog framework; groovy aggregator similar to planet. |
| 16:19:39 | <sunbiz> yea... tried those |
| 16:19:48 | <sunbiz> just like RoR |
| 16:19:54 | <r0bby> yes. |
| 16:20:24 | <sunbiz> lets not make it a Ruby Vs Groovy thing... its openMRS... remember!! |
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| 16:22:22 | <nribeka> c u sunbiz and robby ... i'm still working on my crawler bm25 relevance feedback thing here ... |
| 16:22:44 | <r0bby> :) |
| 16:22:46 | <r0bby> bbl. |
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| 16:24:44 | <sunbiz> hey...did anyone of u get eggs on the IRC ?? |
| 16:24:50 | <sunbiz> I came back to ask that !?? |
| 16:26:19 | <sunbiz> I guess everyone left with the eggs... and I'd also leave :( |
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| 16:55:06 | <r0bby> eh what |
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| 17:33:03 | <bwolfe> hey ariane |
| 17:33:21 | <bwolfe> let me know if I can answer any gsoc questions for you |
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| 17:37:40 | <ariane> hi bwolfe I did see the OpenMRS project, it is very interesting |
| 17:39:24 | <ariane> I am looking at the information about development and documentation |
| 17:44:21 | <bwolfe> ok cool, let me know your thoughts :-) |
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| 18:03:35 | <OpenMRSBot> Recent updates in the world of openmrs: Burke Mamlin: Making a groovy module for OpenMRS <http://burkeware.com/blog/archives/9> |
| 18:15:45 | <r0bby> burke++ |
| 18:15:46 | <r0bby> =D |
| 18:16:37 | <bwolfe> ha |
| 18:16:55 | <bwolfe> finally! someone as excited about the groovy module as burke is! :-p |
| 18:17:08 | <r0bby> burke |
| 18:17:10 | <r0bby> one thing |
| 18:17:17 | <r0bby> java.io.* is imported for you iirc |
| 18:17:59 | <r0bby> groovy is god. |
| 18:18:03 | <Keelhaul> or maybe it was anther age joke =o |
| 18:18:51 | <r0bby> yes it's imported for you. |
| 18:19:17 | <r0bby> the groovydocs says what's imported |
| 18:19:49 | <r0bby> bwolfe: good or bad thing? |
| 18:23:41 | <bwolfe> r0bby: well, good for burke. |
| 18:23:49 | <bwolfe> bad for me |
| 18:23:54 | <r0bby> why ? :P |
| 18:24:09 | <bwolfe> burke is always "grooby module this", "groovy module that"...blah blah groovy blah blah :-p |
| 18:24:24 | <r0bby> I'm guessing i'll just encourage that :P |
| 18:24:46 | <bwolfe> yeah, thats what I'm afraid of |
| 18:24:51 | <bwolfe> so... |
| 18:25:01 | *** bwolfe sets mode: -v r0bby |
| 18:25:39 | <bwolfe> :-D |
| 18:26:02 | <Keelhaul> lol |
| 18:26:02 | <bwolfe> although I don't think that does what I want |
| 18:26:16 | <bwolfe> r0bby doesn't seem to be saying anything, so maybe it does :-) |
| 18:26:42 | <Keelhaul> so iirc groovy is some scripting language? |
| 18:26:42 | <r0bby> :P |
| 18:26:57 | <bwolfe> java scripting, essentially |
| 18:26:57 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: yes |
| 18:27:03 | <Keelhaul> what uses it |
| 18:27:08 | <r0bby> dynamic scripting language built over the JVM |
| 18:27:16 | <r0bby> but it IS compiled |
| 18:27:22 | <r0bby> to valid java bytecode |
| 18:27:27 | <Keelhaul> =o |
| 18:27:52 | <r0bby> all the dynamic aspects are given to it via its Meta Object Prototol (each class has a MetaClass -- you can borrow methods; add methods etc |
| 18:27:56 | <Keelhaul> do browsers support it? |
| 18:28:04 | <r0bby> Keelhaul... no |
| 18:28:18 | <Keelhaul> so what kind of unholy clients use it |
| 18:28:19 | <r0bby> it's not javascript |
| 18:28:27 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: ever hear of grails? |
| 18:28:28 | <r0bby> :P |
| 18:28:32 | <Keelhaul> no =/ |
| 18:28:58 | <r0bby> and also it's quick like burke's blog post said (and others actually) to rapidly put together things |
| 18:29:14 | <r0bby> Also, it integrates great w/ java. |
| 18:30:42 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: it makes working w/ XML easy too; both building and reading etc etc a whole multitude of things |
| 18:31:37 | <r0bby> bwolfe: are ya a doctor too? |
| 18:33:17 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: also building a swing app using groovy is less cumbersome and far less verbose than w/ java. |
| 18:33:26 | <Keelhaul> o |
| 18:35:59 | <r0bby> bwolfe: sorry but :x |
| 18:36:13 | <r0bby> I have a few people in other chans banned me from mentioning groovy ;x |
| 18:39:01 | <bwolfe> r0bby: not a doctor, no |
| 18:39:06 | <bwolfe> hopefully some day (soon) though |
| 18:39:13 | <bwolfe> (re)applying to med school this year |
| 18:39:17 | <r0bby> cool :) |
| 18:39:38 | <r0bby> I'll prolly have knowledge of the medical end of HIV/AIDs stuff soon |
| 18:40:16 | * r0bby loads the openmrs-groovy module into his IDE |
| 18:40:29 | <bwolfe> into the IDE? |
| 18:40:39 | <bwolfe> oh, the code for it |
| 18:40:41 | <bwolfe> nm |
| 18:41:30 | <r0bby> yeh |
| 18:41:44 | <r0bby> i use IDEA |
| 18:42:00 | <Keelhaul> lol our dept hates med majors |
| 18:43:18 | <r0bby> why for |
| 18:43:29 | <bwolfe> bioinformatics, right Keelhaul ? |
| 18:43:37 | <Keelhaul> medical informatics |
| 18:43:41 | <Keelhaul> same building actually |
| 18:43:55 | <Keelhaul> they say med majors are the biggest computer illiterates |
| 18:46:24 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: well duh |
| 18:46:44 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: introduce them to burke and paul :P |
| 18:46:50 | <Keelhaul> lol |
| 18:47:04 | <r0bby> They're not illiterate |
| 18:48:45 | <Keelhaul> bwolfe: do you want to change professions? |
| 18:48:49 | <Keelhaul> or a deeper understanding |
| 18:49:54 | <r0bby> okay groovy module is imported |
| 18:50:03 | <r0bby> you guys seriously need to switch to maven :) |
| 18:50:20 | <r0bby> mvn idea:idea eclipse:eclipse |
| 18:50:36 | <r0bby> one reason why i like maven |
| 18:52:11 | <r0bby> at current i have to generate the projects from the eclipse metadata files. |
| 18:52:26 | <r0bby> then import the modules. |
| 18:52:42 | <Keelhaul> what aboot netbeans |
| 18:53:02 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: have to have a seperate maven plugin -- but it's possible. |
| 18:53:10 | <r0bby> and i hate netbeans |
| 18:53:13 | <r0bby> my IDE is clean :) |
| 18:53:36 | <Keelhaul> why |
| 18:53:39 | <r0bby> burke: I'd be willing to work w/ you on the grails thing |
| 18:53:45 | <r0bby> b/c i like it |
| 18:53:47 | <Keelhaul> there are some features eclipse misses, it seems |
| 18:53:50 | <Keelhaul> like a swing editor |
| 18:53:56 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: OH GOD |
| 18:54:04 | <r0bby> that is precisely why i swing. |
| 18:54:11 | <r0bby> the code Matisse generates is hideous |
| 18:54:34 | <Keelhaul> meh |
| 18:54:41 | <Keelhaul> wysiwyg ftw =P |
| 18:54:46 | <r0bby> ... |
| 18:54:50 | <Keelhaul> i bet you're also a fan of latex |
| 18:54:51 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: learn how it works |
| 18:54:55 | <r0bby> Keelhaul: no |
| 18:54:57 | <r0bby> never used it |
| 18:55:03 | <r0bby> but coding swing by hand is easy |
| 18:55:04 | <docpaul> med majors are the biggest computer illiterates? :) |
| 18:55:09 | <docpaul> heheh |
| 18:55:11 | <r0bby> docpaul: kick hiM! |
| 18:55:23 | * r0bby chants kick him..kick him..kick him |
| 18:55:34 | * docpaul revs up his foot |
| 18:55:35 | <docpaul> hehe |
| 18:55:36 | <Keelhaul> yea, the messenger always takes the fall =/ |
| 18:56:02 | <r0bby> you know the phrase don't shoot the messenger? Well, I don't like that one |
| 18:56:04 | <r0bby> it's fun |
| 18:56:10 | <docpaul> robby: see what burke was doing with the groovy module? |
| 18:56:15 | <r0bby> Yes |
| 18:56:19 | <r0bby> it's hot |
| 18:56:33 | <docpaul> next step of course is to influence the web app with groovy |
| 18:56:36 | <r0bby> I'm definitely willing to work w/ him on that |
| 18:56:47 | <docpaul> if we could do that... that'd be... well, revolutionary |
| 18:56:51 | <r0bby> Yeh |
| 18:56:59 | <docpaul> implementers can work with a scripting language instead of java |
| 18:57:15 | <docpaul> much lower barriers to entry |
| 18:57:41 | <r0bby> JRuby, Jython |
| 18:57:43 | <docpaul> your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to get a hello world printed somewhere on a openmrs interface page, with groovy. :) |
| 18:58:04 | <r0bby> somebody hack together an embedded jetty thing |
| 18:58:16 | <docpaul> whoops, wife is calling... bb |
| 18:58:23 | <Keelhaul> lmao |
| 18:58:23 | * r0bby looks at bwolfe |
| 18:58:33 | <r0bby> HAHAHA |
| 19:04:07 | <r0bby> docpaul: when you're around (or burke) ping me |
| 19:20:20 | <bwolfe> r0bby: not going to work on an embedded jetty :-p |
| 19:20:27 | <bwolfe> when you're done with it, let me know :-) |
| 19:20:35 | <r0bby> FUCKER |
| 19:20:51 | <r0bby> so I have to build a war just to fucking test my shit? |
| 19:20:54 | <r0bby> jesus |
| 19:21:12 | <r0bby> wait.. |
| 19:21:49 | <r0bby> my IDE |
| 19:21:49 | <r0bby> :D |
| 19:22:12 | <bwolfe> bbl |
| 19:22:43 | <r0bby> you suck |
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| 20:18:28 | <bwolfe> r0bby: get that working yet? |
| 20:19:14 | <bwolfe> are you wanting jetty to be shipped with openmrs code? what advantage does that give us ? |
| 20:19:28 | <r0bby> bwolfe: just for testing purposes |
| 20:23:39 | <r0bby> hrm |
| 20:25:56 | <r0bby> I'll keep it in my local tree. |
| 20:29:45 | <r0bby> which directory contains all the stuff |
| 20:29:46 | <r0bby> web/? |
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| 20:40:59 | <r0bby> I'll give you a patch soon if this works. |
| 20:42:31 | <r0bby> bwolfe: how do you test your code (aside from unit tests?) |
| 20:45:49 | <bwolfe> aside from unit tests just test via using the webapp |
| 20:46:01 | <bwolfe> r0bby: which stuff are you looking for? |
| 20:46:17 | <bwolfe> /web has all web viewing stuff (jsp/css/etc) |
| 20:46:22 | <r0bby> bwolfe: ah ok |
| 20:46:33 | <r0bby> I'm creating a quickstart package in src/tests |
| 20:46:39 | <r0bby> under web |
| 20:46:44 | <bwolfe> /src/web has the controllers and servlets |
| 20:46:52 | <r0bby> which will contain a class named StartOpenMRS |
| 20:47:02 | <r0bby> which will start an embedded jetty server |
| 20:47:08 | <r0bby> primarily this is for testing |
| 20:47:12 | <bwolfe> org.openmrs.Listener |
| 20:47:22 | <bwolfe> which is /src/web/org/openmrs/ I think |
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| 20:48:16 | * r0bby looks at the deployment descriptor |
| 20:49:07 | <r0bby> ah |
| 20:49:09 | <r0bby> ok |
| 20:50:13 | <docpaul> hello all. :) |
| 20:50:26 | <docpaul> i can answer any openmrs questions anyone might have |
| 20:50:40 | <docpaul> any google soc applicants, fire away |
| 20:50:42 | <r0bby> embedded jetty is gonna be a bitch |
| 20:50:46 | <r0bby> embedding* |
| 20:51:37 | <docpaul> are you trying to embed jetty so that you dont have to fool with tomcat/servlet container for testing? |
| 20:51:45 | * docpaul doesn't follow |
| 20:51:59 | <bwolfe> eclipse has a way to fire up a container from eclipse so that you don't need a separate app running |
| 20:52:06 | <bwolfe> is that something like what you're hoping for r0bby ? |
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| 20:52:39 | <docpaul> heya ben |
| 20:52:53 | <bwolfe> hey paul |
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| 20:55:07 | <r0bby> so does IDEA |
| 20:55:11 | <r0bby> i'm grabbing tomcat |
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| 20:58:14 | <r0bby> docpaul: yes |
| 20:58:26 | <r0bby> it's just easier; but not for openmrs i fear |
| 20:58:26 | <elad> hey hey r0bby |
| 20:58:31 | <r0bby> elad: hi |
| 20:58:48 | <r0bby> I'm eager to get this working :X |
| 20:58:50 | <elad> saw your web blog link in #java on efnet |
| 20:59:31 | <elad> I'm really interested.. trying to find the app for google summer of code |
| 21:00:13 | <docpaul> r0bby: where do we fall short? |
| 21:00:25 | * r0bby watches |
| 21:00:33 | <r0bby> elad: =) |
| 21:00:38 | <r0bby> I wanted that |
| 21:01:15 | <r0bby> wording hit a nerve eh? |
| 21:01:37 | <r0bby> elad: I'm doing openMRS for free; I meant to do it for the past year |
| 21:01:37 | <bwolfe> elad: http://soc2008.openmrs.org |
| 21:01:45 | <docpaul> r0bby: it would have hit a bigger nerve if you had said... "i'm going to be coding, and you should too!" |
| 21:01:47 | <bwolfe> or http://code.google.com/soc |
| 21:02:04 | <r0bby> docpaul: that'd be a lie |
| 21:02:05 | <elad> I would do it for free as well, I would love the exp. and hopefully being able to help people. |
| 21:02:08 | <r0bby> I'm fickle! |
| 21:02:09 | <r0bby> :) |
| 21:02:39 | <docpaul> elad: that's kind of you |
| 21:02:44 | <docpaul> do you have java experience? |
| 21:03:29 | * r0bby taps foot |
| 21:03:31 | <elad> I do. |
| 21:03:43 | <r0bby> I think google requires you to be an active student |
| 21:03:59 | <docpaul> it does... but our openmrs internship program does not |
| 21:04:02 | <r0bby> I actually just realized i broke matriculation by taking this semester off |
| 21:04:13 | <r0bby> ohhh |
| 21:04:18 | <docpaul> an openmrs intern is simply someone who wants to learn |
| 21:04:21 | <elad> I'm a second-year computer science student at Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas.. I'm really interested in web services. |
| 21:04:39 | <docpaul> we have independent funding for additional interns outside of google's funding |
| 21:04:46 | <docpaul> elad: great |
| 21:05:03 | <docpaul> what kind of work have you done in the past? |
| 21:05:08 | <elad> I have alot to learn however :) |
| 21:05:09 | <r0bby> :) |
| 21:05:19 | * r0bby contemplates :) |
| 21:05:52 | <elad> docpaul, I havent done much outside of school projects sadly. |
| 21:06:12 | <docpaul> elad: hey, that's honest... and there's no problem... there are plenty of ways you could be useful |
| 21:06:18 | <docpaul> go to http://projects.openmrs.org |
| 21:06:21 | <docpaul> and take a look |
| 21:06:43 | <docpaul> you could do some bug fixes, etc |
| 21:06:48 | * r0bby taps foot as jetty unzips |
| 21:08:13 | <r0bby> right now im just setting up my environment |
| 21:08:13 | <elad> docpaul, have you heard of Remote Operation, Inc? |
| 21:08:33 | <docpaul> nope |
| 21:09:02 | <r0bby> OH AWESOME |
| 21:09:09 | <r0bby> ClassCastException at startup w/ jetty |
| 21:10:44 | <r0bby> docpaul: question |
| 21:10:55 | <r0bby> I see two web facets in my project |
| 21:11:00 | <r0bby> which one do i deploy? |
| 21:11:43 | <docpaul> sorry, don't understand... can you ask in a different way? |
| 21:11:55 | <r0bby> nevermind |
| 21:12:21 | <elad> I've worked 30-40+ hours a week after school didn't leave me much time to work on other projects outside of school. However, I have a new job and im working about 25hours a week. I need to start doing something and webapps really interest me. |
| 21:12:56 | <docpaul> elad: that's what openmrs is |
| 21:14:03 | * r0bby bangs his head on his desk |
| 21:19:22 | <r0bby> GRRRRR |
| 21:19:52 | <bwolfe> ? |
| 21:20:40 | <r0bby> nothing carry oln |
| 21:28:54 | <r0bby> :||||| |
| 21:29:25 | <r0bby> i'm gonna hurt whoever wrote this ant deploy task |
| 21:29:35 | <r0bby> it's windows-centric |
| 21:29:51 | <bwolfe> its overridable |
| 21:29:59 | <bwolfe> ...and I use it in ubuntu |
| 21:30:09 | <bwolfe> ...and I wrote it, bring it on ;-) |
| 21:30:37 | <r0bby> I know it's overridable |
| 21:30:41 | <r0bby> but im WAYYYY too lazy |
| 21:30:44 | <bwolfe> assuming you're talking about: http://dev.openmrs.org/browser/openmrs/trunk/build.xml#L254 |
| 21:30:45 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iO3> (at dev.openmrs.org) |
| 21:31:12 | <r0bby> ahem no :P |
| 21:31:17 | <r0bby> properties.xml |
| 21:32:01 | <r0bby> I need coffee this is tiring |
| 21:33:28 | <r0bby> somebody remind me why i wanna do this? |
| 21:33:38 | <docpaul> musa. :) |
| 21:33:47 | <r0bby> because I don't like deploying to a standalone tomcat EVERYTIME i wanna see what something looks like |
| 21:34:04 | <r0bby> i had jetty working |
| 21:35:20 | <r0bby> im testing in jetty screw tomcat |
| 21:35:29 | <r0bby> tomcat refuses to start for me anyways |
| 21:36:50 | <bwolfe> r0bby: thats why I use junit tests to test up until I need to do display/visual stuff. it makes the code/try/fix cycle very quick |
| 21:37:07 | <r0bby> hrm yeh |
| 21:37:08 | <r0bby> =) |
| 21:37:08 | <bwolfe> and when doing web stuff, just use the deploy-web task to copy the jsp and css files to the right place |
| 21:37:38 | <docpaul> man, pacers have won 4 in a row |
| 21:38:00 | <bwolfe> which still makes them one of the worst in the nba right now :-/ |
| 21:38:18 | <docpaul> they're 1 game out of 8th place |
| 21:38:20 | <r0bby> actually IDEA does everything :) |
| 21:38:24 | <docpaul> they're close to playoff bound |
| 21:39:01 | <bwolfe> so if idea has a container built in, why don't you use that?? |
| 21:39:34 | <r0bby> it doesn't |
| 21:39:40 | <docpaul> so, ben... there's a new mall off of i-69 in noblesville area... that has a 16 show theatre, with imax in it |
| 21:39:48 | <docpaul> looks very cool |
| 21:39:56 | <docpaul> so you can go see a regular movie, or imax |
| 21:40:10 | <docpaul> about 3-4 miles from our new house |
| 21:40:13 | <r0bby> i have to define the container; but it detects facets (spring,hibernate, (web facets such as servlets,jsp etc) |
| 21:46:27 | *** jjzeidner has joined #openmrs |
| 21:46:51 | <jjzeidner> hello i have a question about the google/openmrs program |
| 21:47:01 | <docpaul> sure! |
| 21:47:04 | <docpaul> fire away |
| 21:47:16 | <jjzeidner> do you need to be currently attending university? |
| 21:48:02 | <docpaul> so, for the google program... you have to be an active student... however, for really good candidates, we have internship funding outside of the google SOC |
| 21:48:27 | <jjzeidner> ok... well I would be interested in the imaging project |
| 21:48:34 | <jjzeidner> im currently not attending university |
| 21:48:42 | <jjzeidner> but have a BS in CS |
| 21:48:50 | <jjzeidner> independent study in image processing |
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| 21:48:58 | <jjzeidner> and experience with server side image processing with JAI |
| 21:49:11 | <jjzeidner> which is proabably the best choice for that problem |
| 21:49:24 | <docpaul> tell me more |
| 21:49:47 | <jjzeidner> JAI is a java based API for dealing with large image data sets |
| 21:50:06 | <jjzeidner> it automatically manages tiling etc., as well as high level image operations such as contrast, edge detect, etc. |
| 21:50:18 | <jjzeidner> which are commonly used in medical imaging |
| 21:50:37 | <jjzeidner> it is open source, but I have to check the licensing |
| 21:50:43 | <jjzeidner> what OSS license are you using? |
| 21:50:50 | <docpaul> mpl |
| 21:50:59 | <jjzeidner> do you have any JPL modules? |
| 21:51:42 | <docpaul> not sre |
| 21:51:44 | <docpaul> er, sure |
| 21:52:32 | <docpaul> so you just graduated from college? |
| 21:52:34 | <jjzeidner> its the Advanced Digital Image Viewing and Annotation project |
| 21:52:39 | <jjzeidner> no graduated a while ago |
| 21:52:47 | <docpaul> and you have the summer available now? |
| 21:52:50 | <jjzeidner> im very involved with OSS |
| 21:52:54 | <jjzeidner> yes I have the summer available |
| 21:52:57 | <docpaul> cool. |
| 21:52:57 | <jjzeidner> entire summer |
| 21:53:06 | <docpaul> so, i'm the co-founder of the project |
| 21:53:15 | <jjzeidner> ok- its a great idea |
| 21:53:50 | <docpaul> thanks... you can get a quick overview of what our motivations are here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5181254373166129293 |
| 21:53:50 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1hlN> (at video.google.com) |
| 21:54:01 | <jjzeidner> most of the issues involved with this portion of the project will be computing Tiles, and image processing algos |
| 21:54:08 | <jjzeidner> and JAI gives you a lot from that perspective |
| 21:54:44 | <docpaul> describe to me how you'd attempt to build the workflow... |
| 21:54:52 | <docpaul> would it be a standalone app, or all web-based? |
| 21:55:28 | <jjzeidner> I can more or less emulate the same server side functionality that you see iwth Google Maps |
| 21:55:43 | <docpaul> ok, that rocks |
| 21:55:56 | <docpaul> have you done something like that before? |
| 21:56:00 | <jjzeidner> theres some OSS code available |
| 21:56:04 | <jjzeidner> Ka-Map |
| 21:56:16 | <jjzeidner> ive used GMaps quite a bit |
| 21:56:45 | <docpaul> would you be willing to receive an internship outside of the google process? |
| 21:56:48 | <jjzeidner> I understand how the Jscript fits together |
| 21:56:51 | <jjzeidner> no outside grants, no |
| 21:57:07 | <docpaul> b/c i'm pretty sure that you couldn't get google to fund you (given that you're not a student) |
| 21:57:16 | <jjzeidner> oh sorry, yes I would be willing to accept other grants! |
| 21:57:23 | <docpaul> we have our own internship program |
| 21:57:29 | <jjzeidner> ah |
| 21:57:31 | <docpaul> for year round people like yourself |
| 21:57:39 | <jjzeidner> how does that work precisely? |
| 21:58:00 | <docpaul> very similarly to google summer of code, but we've gotten grant funding to support 20 more internships |
| 21:58:09 | <docpaul> we do the paperwork... same basic model |
| 21:58:18 | <jjzeidner> what are the criteria? |
| 21:58:30 | <docpaul> an intern is someone who wants to learn openmrs |
| 21:58:36 | <docpaul> you have to be stellar |
| 21:58:52 | <jjzeidner> im a very good programmer and I understand image processing well |
| 21:59:09 | <docpaul> it's mostly designed for building capacity in the developing world (we like to take on african developers), but that's not hard and fast |
| 21:59:27 | <jjzeidner> im watching your video right now |
| 22:00:05 | <docpaul> you would have to be committed just like a regular summer job... |
| 22:00:11 | <jjzeidner> so this platform would be deployed in 3rd world |
| 22:00:20 | <jjzeidner> i can give you a full commitment |
| 22:00:24 | <docpaul> it's already deployed in a dozen countries |
| 22:00:40 | <jjzeidner> great! |
| 22:00:42 | <docpaul> so, yes... |
| 22:00:48 | <docpaul> it's taking off quickly |
| 22:01:10 | <docpaul> what's the best thing you've ever coded? |
| 22:01:11 | <jjzeidner> theres a lot of vendor lock in in medical data from what i understand |
| 22:01:24 | <jjzeidner> hmm... |
| 22:01:27 | <docpaul> don't tell anyone, but we're trying to disrupt that. :) |
| 22:01:50 | <jjzeidner> the biggest job i did was designing infrastructure for AIG International |
| 22:02:09 | <jjzeidner> I did some early web mapping for Childrens Television Workshop as well |
| 22:02:57 | <docpaul> you say you've been involved with open source for a while |
| 22:02:58 | <docpaul> how so? |
| 22:03:23 | <jjzeidner> using Ubuntu, participating in LUGs, using and promoting OSS for use in small business |
| 22:04:05 | <jjzeidner> I would like to be able to work on a serious OSS project though, havent really had the opportunity to contribute to anything major |
| 22:04:06 | <docpaul> would you be willing to knock off a bug or two... or code a small little feature into openmrs to see what you're capable of? |
| 22:04:12 | <jjzeidner> sure! |
| 22:04:15 | <docpaul> this might very well be your chance |
| 22:04:40 | <docpaul> so, i want you to talk to bwolfe when he wakes up again |
| 22:04:55 | <docpaul> tell him that we talked, and that you want to help him build up complex_obs |
| 22:05:01 | <jjzeidner> ok- just curious where are you located right now? |
| 22:05:06 | <docpaul> would you like me to give you an overview? |
| 22:05:10 | <jjzeidner> sure |
| 22:05:11 | <docpaul> i'm in indianapolis |
| 22:05:16 | <jjzeidner> ok im in Phoenix |
| 22:05:27 | <jjzeidner> actually Tucson at the moment |
| 22:05:29 | <docpaul> i like scottsdale |
| 22:05:40 | <jjzeidner> I lived there for 2 years |
| 22:05:42 | <docpaul> i did a lot of consulting for your health information exchange initiative in az |
| 22:05:58 | <r0bby> heh |
| 22:06:02 | <docpaul> anyways, complex_obs |
| 22:06:02 | <jjzeidner> Do you get involved with PLUG? |
| 22:06:05 | <jjzeidner> ok |
| 22:06:22 | <docpaul> in short, patients have encounters... |
| 22:06:29 | <docpaul> interactions with health care environments |
| 22:06:42 | <docpaul> and inside these encounters, they have 1 to n observations |
| 22:06:50 | <docpaul> each observation is defined by a concept |
| 22:07:11 | <docpaul> the core of our observation repository model is an EAV approach |
| 22:07:32 | <docpaul> that is, we relate the question/answer pairs to concepts defined in the repository |
| 22:07:35 | <docpaul> follow so far? |
| 22:07:40 | <jjzeidner> yes |
| 22:07:56 | <docpaul> ok... so, a simple obs is a granule of data |
| 22:08:04 | <docpaul> for example, a hemoglobin of 13 |
| 22:08:13 | <docpaul> or a urine color of yellow |
| 22:08:27 | <docpaul> but a complex_obs is a rich data unit |
| 22:08:31 | <docpaul> a text report... |
| 22:08:35 | <docpaul> or.. an image. :) |
| 22:08:57 | <jjzeidner> ok |
| 22:09:10 | <docpaul> in preparation for the google summer projects, ben is working on making the foundational code for complex_obs |
| 22:09:22 | <docpaul> beefing the API, etc. |
| 22:09:28 | <r0bby> mm beef. |
| 22:09:31 | <docpaul> so, help him with that... |
| 22:09:42 | <docpaul> and if ben thinks you're up to snuff... i will get you an internship |
| 22:09:44 | <docpaul> deal? |
| 22:09:51 | <jjzeidner> sounds fair |
| 22:09:54 | <jjzeidner> thank you |
| 22:10:20 | <docpaul> no need for thanks... thrilled that you're interested in our project |
| 22:10:39 | <docpaul> always flattering to have folks like you want to help |
| 22:10:44 | <Keelhaul> hm |
| 22:10:53 | <jjzeidner> great! |
| 22:10:53 | * r0bby shoves Keelhaul off a bridge |
| 22:11:07 | <r0bby> Sorry, i'm getting pissed @ tomcat |
| 22:11:07 | <Keelhaul> if he never actually has to see each other |
| 22:11:15 | <Keelhaul> can you call it an externship? =P |
| 22:11:24 | <r0bby> sure |
| 22:11:34 | <r0bby> but the hope is that you stay on so you eventually meet :P |
| 22:11:45 | <jjzeidner> of course |
| 22:11:47 | <docpaul> keel: you all can call it whatever you want... but the goal is to create a community of people that understand and support openmrs. :) |
| 22:11:47 | <Keelhaul> i wasnt talking about myself lol |
| 22:11:52 | <r0bby> and then of course, the drugs are exchanged; the goat is sacrificed and you know the rest |
| 22:12:04 | <Keelhaul> =o |
| 22:12:04 | <docpaul> it's unrealistic to expect that people can dedicate their time without something to put food on their table |
| 22:12:13 | <Keelhaul> true |
| 22:12:29 | <jjzeidner> do these other internships have the same structure as the google ones? |
| 22:12:33 | <docpaul> so we like to create stipends so that people can focus on learning and being involved |
| 22:12:37 | <docpaul> yes |
| 22:12:49 | <Keelhaul> do you guys do it as your primary task though? |
| 22:12:55 | <docpaul> we're not paying for developers... we're making stipends to protect people's time |
| 22:12:56 | <jjzeidner> it would be great to be able to work on something like this for a few years at least! |
| 22:13:04 | <Keelhaul> i mean the pih/regenstrief ppl |
| 22:13:13 | <docpaul> Keelhaul: yep, it's my career |
| 22:13:18 | <Keelhaul> thats cool |
| 22:13:20 | <docpaul> but i don't take any pay for my openmrs work |
| 22:13:24 | <jjzeidner> do you see OpenMRS as eventually penetrating the US market? |
| 22:13:26 | <Keelhaul> doing something you actually want to do etc |
| 22:13:27 | <Keelhaul> heh |
| 22:13:47 | <docpaul> jjzeidner: it wasn't our intention, but it's already starting to happen |
| 22:13:53 | <Keelhaul> really? |
| 22:14:02 | <jjzeidner> really? in lower income regions? |
| 22:14:05 | <docpaul> yep, in los angeles and maryland for a fact |
| 22:14:24 | <docpaul> it's being implemented in skid row for tuberculosis clinics |
| 22:14:24 | <Keelhaul> isnt there a huge barrier of privacy laws and commercial lobbyism in industrial countries? |
| 22:14:28 | <jjzeidner> i understand the economic effect well- I watched this happen with many technologies |
| 22:14:46 | <docpaul> Keelhaul: yes, and i have no desire of trying to fight all of that |
| 22:15:03 | <jjzeidner> have you run into patent infringement? |
| 22:15:05 | <docpaul> we're open source, and if people want to use it for other purposes, i'm pleased for them |
| 22:15:35 | <docpaul> oh heck no, the foundation of our work is based upon over 30 years of research from the institution i work at |
| 22:15:51 | <docpaul> this is our work |
| 22:15:55 | <docpaul> we don't steal |
| 22:16:05 | <jjzeidner> Bruce Perens wrote a great paper on patents + OSS |
| 22:16:35 | <Keelhaul> patents can be a pain.. |
| 22:16:49 | <jjzeidner> are you on Ohloh? |
| 22:16:49 | <docpaul> i would love nothing more than to see the US medical record system market become completely disrupted |
| 22:16:50 | <Keelhaul> there are companies that live of patent lawsuits heh |
| 22:16:56 | <docpaul> but it's not why we started this |
| 22:17:07 | <Keelhaul> employing more lawyers than devs |
| 22:17:10 | <docpaul> we started this to help the HIV crisis in Africa |
| 22:17:17 | <jjzeidner> Keelhaul: not surprising |
| 22:17:23 | <docpaul> but we don't believe in vertical system design |
| 22:17:32 | <Keelhaul> docpaul: do you know Soarian |
| 22:17:32 | <docpaul> so we built something that's generalizable and scalable |
| 22:17:38 | <docpaul> yep |
| 22:17:53 | <docpaul> siemens stuff |
| 22:17:56 | <Keelhaul> i'm actually trying to get an internship with siemens medical solutions |
| 22:18:07 | <docpaul> cool |
| 22:18:07 | <Keelhaul> because our department has good connections with them |
| 22:18:25 | <docpaul> Keelhaul: where do you work? |
| 22:18:28 | <Keelhaul> but i prolly wont be a student anymore by then, dunno if that would be possible then =/ |
| 22:18:35 | <Keelhaul> nowhere atm, i'm working on my masters thesis.. |
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| 22:19:16 | <docpaul> oh, your academic department |
| 22:19:19 | <docpaul> my misread |
| 22:19:22 | <Keelhaul> yea |
| 22:19:29 | <r0bby> UGGGGGGGGGGGGGH |
| 22:19:30 | <r0bby> :( |
| 22:19:31 | <Keelhaul> sorry, i wasnt very precise |
| 22:19:55 | <Keelhaul> docpaul: so is siemens one of those market hogs? |
| 22:20:15 | <jjzeidner> docpaul: you can reach me at jjzeidner -at- gmail.com |
| 22:20:19 | <docpaul> you know, it's hard to blame the emr vendors in the US |
| 22:20:32 | <docpaul> they're doing simply what they've been incentivized to do |
| 22:20:55 | <docpaul> make EMR systems, but not do it in a way that allows the data underneath to be interoperable with another system |
| 22:21:27 | <docpaul> in fact, it's more money in their hands to not be interoperable, as it's custom interfaces at a price |
| 22:21:40 | <Keelhaul> yea =/ |
| 22:21:54 | <docpaul> i believe the only way to circumvent that is to make an open source "sled" upon which vendors can innovate features |
| 22:22:02 | <docpaul> i'd like to see that |
| 22:22:48 | <docpaul> i'd never be too overconfident/foolish to think that i could do that with openmrs, but i'd be open to such a target if the community progressed appropriately |
| 22:22:50 | <docpaul> who knows |
| 22:23:14 | <docpaul> i'm focused on saving the lives of people in developing countries for now |
| 22:23:16 | <Keelhaul> the sled would be the openmrs data model + api? |
| 22:23:25 | <docpaul> that's why i started this, and i dont want to lose sight of that |
| 22:23:42 | <docpaul> keel: yeah |
| 22:24:00 | <docpaul> the more people kick it, the better and more robust it gets |
| 22:24:18 | <docpaul> i believe in the bazaar. :) |
| 22:24:52 | <Keelhaul> lol |
| 22:25:21 | <Keelhaul> what if several different movements take the development in different directions |
| 22:25:35 | <docpaul> not sure... |
| 22:25:47 | <docpaul> once again, my goals are a little more pedestrian than world domination |
| 22:25:51 | <docpaul> :) |
| 22:25:54 | <Keelhaul> hehe |
| 22:26:08 | <jjzeidner> Keelhaul: you mean like a 'forking' situation? |
| 22:26:14 | <Keelhaul> yea |
| 22:26:30 | <jjzeidner> i find that as long as project leadership remains equitable its rarely a problem |
| 22:26:34 | <docpaul> if the opportunities presented themselves to be disruptive on the larger stage... at some level, i'd have to do what i could to support that |
| 22:26:55 | <docpaul> jj: openmrs ethos is something very important to me |
| 22:27:07 | <docpaul> i want it to feel like a family |
| 22:27:19 | <docpaul> we do consensus decision making whenever possible |
| 22:27:28 | <docpaul> it slows things down, but it's the right thing to do |
| 22:27:36 | <jjzeidner> OSS has a way of almost enforcing that attitude i find |
| 22:27:44 | <docpaul> we're very informal... we drink beers together |
| 22:28:02 | <docpaul> we all respect each other... it's a cool thing that's evolved |
| 22:28:06 | <jjzeidner> so you're all in Indianapolis? |
| 22:28:35 | <docpaul> no, the what made openmrs a collaborative effort was initially led by regenstrief (indianapolis) and partners in health (boston) |
| 22:28:48 | <docpaul> it's subsequently grown way beyond that |
| 22:29:03 | <jjzeidner> so you're drinking tele-beers together :) ? |
| 22:29:08 | <docpaul> but we all try to have open forums to get together and talk openmrs |
| 22:29:18 | <docpaul> no, we meet up with the boston folks at least every other month |
| 22:29:22 | <Keelhaul> skype beer plugin =) |
| 22:29:23 | <docpaul> and we have user group meetings |
| 22:29:29 | <jjzeidner> ah ok |
| 22:29:36 | <docpaul> we've had two so far... the last one had close to 200 attendees |
| 22:29:42 | <jjzeidner> wow |
| 22:29:52 | <docpaul> it was amazing |
| 22:29:57 | <docpaul> it made my knees buckle |
| 22:30:10 | <jjzeidner> yes sometimes OSS projects can really explode |
| 22:30:15 | <docpaul> both have been in south africa |
| 22:30:20 | <docpaul> beautiful place |
| 22:30:48 | <jjzeidner> so i hear |
| 22:30:55 | <docpaul> we have to have it in a different area this summer b/c we outgrew the accomodations |
| 22:31:08 | <jjzeidner> how old is the project? |
| 22:31:21 | <docpaul> what's amazing is that i dont even help with any of the meeting planning... i just show up |
| 22:31:31 | <docpaul> we have an awesome, dedicated team |
| 22:31:33 | <docpaul> 4 years |
| 22:31:54 | <jjzeidner> so you are living on grants? |
| 22:32:05 | <docpaul> openmrs? |
| 22:32:06 | <docpaul> yes. |
| 22:32:13 | <jjzeidner> and youre an MD? |
| 22:32:32 | <docpaul> yes... i have a clinical practice, and i personally have nih research funding |
| 22:32:40 | <jjzeidner> :respects you already |
| 22:32:58 | <docpaul> nah... not a big deal. :) |
| 22:33:04 | <docpaul> just different school |
| 22:33:16 | <jjzeidner> a lot of doctors these days are in it for the wrong reasons you might say |
| 22:33:22 | <docpaul> tell me about it |
| 22:33:25 | <Keelhaul> lol |
| 22:33:31 | <Keelhaul> golf handicap |
| 22:34:45 | <jjzeidner> how many official members of the team? |
| 22:35:20 | <docpaul> sheesh... hard one to count... there are 5 people @ RG that work on openmrs a lot... another 4 or 5 that dance around the periphery |
| 22:35:37 | <docpaul> pih probably has around 10 folks in various capacities |
| 22:35:58 | <docpaul> another 10 or so heavy workers outside of those two facilities... |
| 22:36:13 | <docpaul> and around 150-200 other implementers and part time developers |
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| 22:36:23 | <docpaul> pretty active mailing list |
| 22:36:33 | <docpaul> mailing lists... |
| 22:36:43 | <jjzeidner> you chose not to be on sourceforge? |
| 22:36:58 | <docpaul> yeah, we wanted to manage our own svn repository |
| 22:37:03 | <jjzeidner> ah ok |
| 22:37:13 | <docpaul> i found sourceforge back in 2004 to be... well, unwieldy |
| 22:37:30 | <jjzeidner> if you havent already check out ohloh, they have very cool features |
| 22:37:31 | <docpaul> it's better now, but we werent big cvs fans |
| 22:37:37 | <docpaul> i think we're on there |
| 22:38:16 | <jjzeidner> they have a cost calculator applet thats a lot of fun |
| 22:38:20 | <jjzeidner> not sure how accurate it is |
| 22:38:27 | <Keelhaul> welp almost 6am, sleep time =/ |
| 22:38:28 | <Keelhaul> gnite |
| 22:38:45 | <r0bby> for the LOVE OF GOD |
| 22:39:09 | <r0bby> why is tomcat/jetty being such a mean dirty... |
| 22:39:22 | <r0bby> which version of tomcat do you use docpaul |
| 22:39:28 | <jjzeidner> are you using Server side java in OpenMRS? |
| 22:39:33 | <docpaul> 7 |
| 22:39:47 | <r0bby> it's not even available yet... |
| 22:39:48 | <docpaul> 6 and 7 are used a lot |
| 22:39:51 | <r0bby> you mean 6? |
| 22:39:53 | <docpaul> yes |
| 22:39:57 | <docpaul> sorry |
| 22:39:59 | <docpaul> 5 and 6 |
| 22:40:25 | <jjzeidner> are you using GWT at all? |
| 22:40:38 | <docpaul> jj: it's a web application that's deployed in a servlet container |
| 22:40:49 | <jjzeidner> great- i know a lot about SS Java |
| 22:41:06 | <jjzeidner> so youre using Tomcat exclusively? |
| 22:41:22 | <docpaul> no... people have used glassfish and jboss |
| 22:41:24 | <r0bby> I'm watching this supreme court oral argument on CSPAN |
| 22:41:32 | <docpaul> it works pretty well in both supposedly |
| 22:41:36 | <jjzeidner> ok |
| 22:41:41 | <docpaul> but i'm a tomcat guy |
| 22:42:06 | <jjzeidner> i like tomcat as well, anything from ASF is great |
| 22:42:07 | <docpaul> the war deploys pretty seamlessly in both, from what i understand |
| 22:42:14 | <r0bby> :/ |
| 22:42:30 | <jjzeidner> docpaul: surprising |
| 22:43:08 | <docpaul> we're not using google's stuff |
| 22:43:18 | <docpaul> yet |
| 22:43:20 | <jjzeidner> GWT is a great technology |
| 22:43:23 | <r0bby> why okay -- why the HELL won't tomcat start |
| 22:43:24 | <jjzeidner> BSD licensed |
| 22:43:46 | <docpaul> so maybe you can show us the light. :) |
| 22:43:53 | <docpaul> we use dwr |
| 22:43:53 | <jjzeidner> managing complex GUIs is very easy with GWT |
| 22:44:02 | <docpaul> and dojo |
| 22:44:06 | <docpaul> but moving over to |
| 22:44:13 | <jjzeidner> you should be using GWT if youre using AJAX |
| 22:44:22 | <jjzeidner> user base is growing fast |
| 22:44:37 | <docpaul> can't remember what the team decided to move over to |
| 22:44:40 | <jjzeidner> plus all code is in JAVA |
| 22:44:53 | <jjzeidner> reduces management liability by a lot of youre using servlets |
| 22:44:57 | * r0bby smacks jjzeidner |
| 22:45:29 | <jjzeidner> hey why the smack? |
| 22:46:30 | <jjzeidner> im guessing you didnt choose GWT ;) |
| 22:46:46 | <docpaul> ah yes, jquery |
| 22:47:24 | <jjzeidner> ok |
| 22:48:10 | <docpaul> anyways... talk to ben... |
| 22:48:16 | <docpaul> bwolfe@<<EMAIL ADDRESS REDACTED>> |
| 22:48:40 | <jjzeidner> I should go ahead and send him an email? |
| 22:49:04 | <docpaul> i think this "dry run" will be good for you anyways, as you'll be relying on that code for your further work |
| 22:49:12 | <docpaul> sure |
| 22:49:13 | <jjzeidner> ok sounds good |
| 22:49:36 | * r0bby goes to get coffee |
| 22:50:06 | <jjzeidner> btw- what RDBMS are you using? |
| 22:50:30 | <docpaul> default is mysql... but we use hibernate, so at some level, we're agnostic |
| 22:50:36 | <docpaul> some have used postgres |
| 22:50:39 | <docpaul> some have used oracle |
| 22:50:40 | <jjzeidner> ok |
| 22:51:39 | <docpaul> jj: happy you stopped by tonight... i look forward to seeing if we can make a fit happen. :) |
| 22:51:57 | <docpaul> you seem like the kind of guy that is in it for the right reasons |
| 22:52:15 | <docpaul> it's not so much the money as it is the experience you'll get from it |
| 22:52:16 | <jjzeidner> docpaul: likewise! I will contact ben and tell him we want to take a dry run and see if we can work together |
| 22:52:22 | <jjzeidner> sure |
| 22:52:54 | <jjzeidner> docpaul: its quite impressive to meet an MD doing something like this |
| 22:53:12 | <docpaul> that's kind of you... but you can't shake the geek out of a geek |
| 22:53:13 | <r0bby> :| |
| 22:53:24 | <jjzeidner> just curious: did you see 'Sicko'? |
| 22:53:30 | <docpaul> not ye |
| 22:53:31 | <docpaul> t |
| 22:53:35 | <r0bby> now somebody help me before i go and code my properties example :P |
| 22:53:48 | <r0bby> and shoot up this channel |
| 22:53:51 | <docpaul> r0bby: i'll try |
| 22:53:56 | <docpaul> bang bang |
| 22:53:57 | <r0bby> scarface style! |
| 22:54:12 | <r0bby> "Say Hello to my little friend!" |
| 22:54:15 | <docpaul> what are you trying to work on? |
| 22:54:26 | <r0bby> getting tomcat working. |
| 22:54:32 | <docpaul> i hope you're going to take a stab at the groovy integration |
| 22:54:41 | <docpaul> what the hell... tomcat is so.. trivial |
| 22:54:44 | <docpaul> even i can do it |
| 22:55:02 | <docpaul> can you get ot the management interface? |
| 22:55:25 | <r0bby> I am |
| 22:55:26 | <docpaul> are you getting errors when you try to deploy or something? |
| 22:55:33 | <r0bby> im getting errors STARTING it |
| 22:55:37 | <docpaul> sec... |
| 22:55:40 | <r0bby> The groovy is indeed on my list |
| 22:56:14 | <docpaul> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Step-by-Step_Installation_for_Developers |
| 22:56:15 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iOR> (at openmrs.org) |
| 22:56:37 | <docpaul> i bet you haven't created properties files |
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| 22:57:35 | <r0bby> http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=14184 |
| 22:57:43 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iOS> (at eugeneciurana.com) |
| 22:58:05 | <r0bby> brb |
| 22:58:14 | <docpaul> oh haha... you can't even get tomcat to run |
| 22:59:14 | <docpaul> http://openmrs.org/wiki/Linux_guide |
| 22:59:29 | <docpaul> export CATALINA_HOME=/path/to/tomcat_path |
| 23:02:02 | <r0bby> SHUT UP |
| 23:02:05 | <r0bby> i got it running |
| 23:02:09 | <r0bby> before |
| 23:02:30 | <docpaul> one must crawl before they walk. ;) |
| 23:02:41 | <r0bby> oh shove it |
| 23:02:51 | <r0bby> I'm perfect |
| 23:03:14 | <docpaul> teehee... thanks robby for your time... even though i havent met you in person, it means a lot |
| 23:03:21 | <docpaul> i appreciate you |
| 23:07:12 | <r0bby> docpaul++ |
| 23:08:43 | *** jjzeidner has quit IRC |
| 23:09:55 | <r0bby> I got it |
| 23:10:35 | <docpaul> :) |
| 23:10:36 | <docpaul> good deal |
| 23:10:49 | <r0bby> now running install |
| 23:10:55 | <r0bby> i swear im not an idiot :( |
| 23:11:04 | <r0bby> i set tomcat up once before :( |
| 23:11:08 | <docpaul> i know better than that |
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| 23:26:30 | <r0bby> db set up! |
| 23:26:46 | <r0bby> using mysql i guess :P |
| 23:30:13 | <r0bby> i guess i'll deal w/ this as is |
| 23:30:39 | <r0bby> develop; write unit test; ant dist -> manually copy to webapp dir |
| 23:32:43 | <r0bby> docpaul: http://mybawx.org/web/openmrs.png |
| 23:33:22 | <docpaul> hurray. :) |
| 23:34:18 | <r0bby> okay so this is gonna be annoying |
| 23:35:19 | <r0bby> now let's see OKAY |
| 23:35:22 | <r0bby> we're set! |
| 23:35:58 | <r0bby> so basically to get it to talk to the views; i'd use an extension right? |
| 23:36:12 | <r0bby> if i understand the architecture |
| 23:36:42 | <docpaul> you can write to the core if you want... but you won't be able to submit it... modules give you the ability to share your work immediately |
| 23:37:04 | <docpaul> if the community thinks you write good code, then you'll get commit rights |
| 23:37:13 | <docpaul> fair enough? |
| 23:37:49 | <r0bby> i'd prefer to not write to the core |
| 23:38:00 | <r0bby> Burke's code is nice. |
| 23:38:27 | <docpaul> i think to get started, just play within your local copy |
| 23:38:42 | <docpaul> and then once you feel you got your training wheels on, start making a module |
| 23:39:25 | <docpaul> or if you're working on groovy module, you can talk to burke about editing that source |
| 23:39:39 | <r0bby> I wanna |
| 23:39:46 | <r0bby> I just wanted to get this stuff set |
| 23:39:53 | <r0bby> the drudge work of setting up the environment |
| 23:39:58 | <docpaul> we're flexible... but we just make people earn commit rights |
| 23:40:01 | <r0bby> the coding is actually thr easy part |
| 23:40:08 | <r0bby> good way to do things |
| 23:40:38 | <docpaul> modules give people all the flexibility they need |
| 23:40:44 | <docpaul> nothing you really cant do in a module |
| 23:40:54 | <docpaul> pretty impressive actually |
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| 23:41:22 | <docpaul> if there's an extension point you need, ben will add it |
| 23:41:37 | <r0bby> I still don't know what the hell to do |
| 23:41:52 | <r0bby> http://projects.openmrs.org |
| 23:41:56 | <docpaul> check this out: |
| 23:41:59 | <r0bby> for me to click |
| 23:42:16 | <docpaul> http://burkeware.com/blog/archives/9 |
| 23:42:24 | <r0bby> i saw that! |
| 23:42:38 | <r0bby> and he made a technical error of sorts |
| 23:42:48 | <docpaul> help him with his goal |
| 23:42:49 | <r0bby> java.io is imported for you in groovy. |
| 23:43:13 | <docpaul> While the ability to execute some scripts on the fly can be fun maybe even handy for testing out code during development, my real hope is to evolve toward a Grails module that could facilitate rapid prototyping of web forms or quick & dirty report pages. |
| 23:43:32 | <r0bby> HAHHA |
| 23:43:39 | <r0bby> http://burkeware.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/groovy-scripting.gif |
| 23:43:40 | <OpenMRSBot> <http://ln-s.net/1iOj> (at burkeware.com) |
| 23:43:45 | <r0bby> Horatio Hornblowe |
| 23:43:45 | <r0bby> r |
| 23:44:03 | <docpaul> :) |
| 23:44:16 | <docpaul> mine is Joseph Schnogenlocker |
| 23:44:28 | <r0bby> wtf that sounds german |
| 23:44:33 | <docpaul> hehe |
| 23:44:55 | <r0bby> How offensive would it be if i made a patient named Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin |
| 23:45:02 | <r0bby> nevermind |
| 23:45:03 | <r0bby> VERY |
| 23:45:18 | <r0bby> ;x |
| 23:45:21 | <docpaul> one of those closed loop conversations |
| 23:45:50 | <r0bby> yeh |
| 23:45:56 | <r0bby> damn them voices. |
| 23:47:29 | <docpaul> so beat on burke's dream some... you're the right guy for the job |
| 23:47:45 | <docpaul> help us figure out if it's even possible |
| 23:52:25 | <r0bby> I don't see how grails would work =/ |
| 23:52:35 | <r0bby> but this groovy module is handy |
| 23:54:46 | <r0bby> I noticed burke just coded a jsp into his module directly |
| 23:55:15 | * r0bby COULD code an advice class to invoke my module |
| 23:55:16 | <r0bby> :/ |
| 23:55:31 | <r0bby> I need to read up |
